I really hope we get either OK4 or Towns. Russell is intriguing but I think Melo needs a big to compliment him more than a perimeter player. Get the bigs then fill up the perimeter with long athletic players that can play defence and shoot.
I think that melo needs a guard more than anything else
mreinman wrote:I think that melo needs a guard more than anything else
I think he does too, but i would still take Towns or Okafor as a top 2, just because they are the top 2 players and you must go BPA. But i won't be mad as long as we stay top 4, because at number 3 or 4, Russell and Mudiay are both great options and will be great with Melo. Plus there just aren't a lot of great FA guards that will be available.
Knixkik wrote:mreinman wrote:I think that melo needs a guard more than anything else
I think he does too, but i would still take Towns or Okafor as a top 2, just because they are the top 2 players and you must go BPA. But i won't be mad as long as we stay top 4, because at number 3 or 4, Russell and Mudiay are both great options and will be great with Melo. Plus there just aren't a lot of great FA guards that will be available.
I would be really pissed if we get stuck with mudiay.
for me its:
towns
ok4
russell
winslow
everyone else
we have one draft pick in a gazillion years, I hope we don't wasted it on a guy playing in china who is completely unproven and is believed to be a suspect shooter.
I have 3 wishes for this draft.
1. Chance to draft OK4 or Towns
2. Get another 1st Rd pick from mid to late.
3. Buy 1 or 2 2nd Rd picks.
I want 3-4 drafted players.
NYKBocker wrote:I have 3 wishes for this draft.1. Chance to draft OK4 or Towns
2. Get another 1st Rd pick from mid to late.
3. Buy 1 or 2 2nd Rd picks.
I want 3-4 drafted players.
You're setting yourself up for disappointment, as we are all skilled at doing
mreinman wrote:Knixkik wrote:mreinman wrote:I think that melo needs a guard more than anything else
I think he does too, but i would still take Towns or Okafor as a top 2, just because they are the top 2 players and you must go BPA. But i won't be mad as long as we stay top 4, because at number 3 or 4, Russell and Mudiay are both great options and will be great with Melo. Plus there just aren't a lot of great FA guards that will be available.
I would be really pissed if we get stuck with mudiay.
for me its:
towns
ok4
russell
winslow
everyone else
we have one draft pick in a gazillion years, I hope we don't wasted it on a guy playing in china who is completely unproven and is believed to be a suspect shooter.
You just can't judge a guy like Mudiay as a waste because he didn't play in college. There is nothing unproven about him. Scouts and teams are well-aware of everything he does, how his china stats translate, and advanced metrics about him. If you personally wouldn't want to draft a player who you haven't seen live on tv, then that's your opinion, but he is no different than guys who played his college in today's drafting world. All those who write about him and have seen him project him as a top talent with all-star potential and no real red flags other than the typical things he needs to improve on like any other 19 year old prospect.
Knixkik wrote:mreinman wrote:Knixkik wrote:mreinman wrote:I think that melo needs a guard more than anything else
I think he does too, but i would still take Towns or Okafor as a top 2, just because they are the top 2 players and you must go BPA. But i won't be mad as long as we stay top 4, because at number 3 or 4, Russell and Mudiay are both great options and will be great with Melo. Plus there just aren't a lot of great FA guards that will be available.
I would be really pissed if we get stuck with mudiay.
for me its:
towns
ok4
russell
winslow
everyone else
we have one draft pick in a gazillion years, I hope we don't wasted it on a guy playing in china who is completely unproven and is believed to be a suspect shooter.
You just can't judge a guy like Mudiay as a waste because he didn't play in college. There is nothing unproven about him. Scouts and teams are well-aware of everything he does, how his china stats translate, and advanced metrics about him. If you personally wouldn't want to draft a player who you haven't seen live on tv, then that's your opinion, but he is no different than guys who played his college in today's drafting world. All those who write about him and have seen him project him as a top talent with all-star potential and no real red flags other than the typical things he needs to improve on like any other 19 year old prospect.
scouts have no idea how to "translate" his chinese stats.
mreinman wrote:Knixkik wrote:mreinman wrote:Knixkik wrote:mreinman wrote:I think that melo needs a guard more than anything else
I think he does too, but i would still take Towns or Okafor as a top 2, just because they are the top 2 players and you must go BPA. But i won't be mad as long as we stay top 4, because at number 3 or 4, Russell and Mudiay are both great options and will be great with Melo. Plus there just aren't a lot of great FA guards that will be available.
I would be really pissed if we get stuck with mudiay.
for me its:
towns
ok4
russell
winslow
everyone else
we have one draft pick in a gazillion years, I hope we don't wasted it on a guy playing in china who is completely unproven and is believed to be a suspect shooter.
You just can't judge a guy like Mudiay as a waste because he didn't play in college. There is nothing unproven about him. Scouts and teams are well-aware of everything he does, how his china stats translate, and advanced metrics about him. If you personally wouldn't want to draft a player who you haven't seen live on tv, then that's your opinion, but he is no different than guys who played his college in today's drafting world. All those who write about him and have seen him project him as a top talent with all-star potential and no real red flags other than the typical things he needs to improve on like any other 19 year old prospect.
scouts have no idea how to "translate" his chinese stats.
Of course they do. Plenty of NBA players play in that league. It's no different than translating college stats, just smaller sample sizes. In fact they just did it on espn.
Two of the knicks best runs in hits history began with the Draft:
1964 we drafted Willis Reed. He was ROY.
1985 We drafted Ewing.
Knicks fortunes turn when we draft a HOF big man.
mikesknicks wrote:I like WCS - he may be a better choice than Okafor cause he will bring needed defense.
WCS is in no way a better prospect then Okafor. This is not the 80's & 90's basketball and last I checked you still ahve to score the most points to win. Look at who won the MVP Curry with Harden a close second and what are they known for defense????? You just need above average to very good team defense. You take Okafor over WCS every day of the week.
Of the 7 teams still left in the playoffs. Cavs, Wiz, Hawks, Clips, Rockets, Griz and Warriors.
I would say that WCS's skill set and abilities fit more closely with Mozgov, Gortat, Horford, Jordan and Bogut. These 5 are defensive centers first and foremost.
I might say that Okafor align's better with Gasol and maybe Howard because he scores on the block sometimes. These 2 score the ball in the post but again are defensive players as well. Okafor doesn't align with any of these 7 guys defensively.
So regardless if WCS is the better prospect or not --- I say his body/type, skill set, athleticism, game are more comparable to 5 of the remaining 7 centers -- regardless if it's no longer the 80s or 90s.
Swishfm3 wrote:Did Willie Cauley-Stein really just change his middle name to "Trill"?
That's not a good sign and I really can't believe he would be that foolish/dumb to do something like this now.
If anything NBA teams will view this as a lack of focus and a sign of immaturity.
All they'd like to hear is how hard Willie is working and now they get to read about how he is focused on his stupid/new middle name.
mreinman wrote:Knixkik wrote:mreinman wrote:I think that melo needs a guard more than anything else
I think he does too, but i would still take Towns or Okafor as a top 2, just because they are the top 2 players and you must go BPA. But i won't be mad as long as we stay top 4, because at number 3 or 4, Russell and Mudiay are both great options and will be great with Melo. Plus there just aren't a lot of great FA guards that will be available.
I would be really pissed if we get stuck with mudiay.
for me its:
towns
ok4
russell
winslow
everyone else
we have one draft pick in a gazillion years, I hope we don't wasted it on a guy playing in china who is completely unproven and is believed to be a suspect shooter.
Do you realize what Mudiay would have done to the patsy (non-NBA) talent that Russell played against in the Big 10? Do you realize the Chinese guys Mudiay was playing against were men and that they were better than the cupcakes Russell faced at schools like N-Western, Purdue and Penn State.
Larry Brown said after watching Mudiay and recruiting him to play at SMU. "All I know is that if Mudiay had come to SMU we'd have got a good shot every time down the court".
I believe Brown said he may have had the best vision he's seen coming off the high screen & roll scenario. You can see this in his China film. Frascilla calls him a Jason Kidd type point guard.
mreinman wrote:Knixkik wrote:mreinman wrote:Knixkik wrote:mreinman wrote:I think that melo needs a guard more than anything else
I think he does too, but i would still take Towns or Okafor as a top 2, just because they are the top 2 players and you must go BPA. But i won't be mad as long as we stay top 4, because at number 3 or 4, Russell and Mudiay are both great options and will be great with Melo. Plus there just aren't a lot of great FA guards that will be available.
I would be really pissed if we get stuck with mudiay.
for me its:
towns
ok4
russell
winslow
everyone else
we have one draft pick in a gazillion years, I hope we don't wasted it on a guy playing in china who is completely unproven and is believed to be a suspect shooter.
You just can't judge a guy like Mudiay as a waste because he didn't play in college. There is nothing unproven about him. Scouts and teams are well-aware of everything he does, how his china stats translate, and advanced metrics about him. If you personally wouldn't want to draft a player who you haven't seen live on tv, then that's your opinion, but he is no different than guys who played his college in today's drafting world. All those who write about him and have seen him project him as a top talent with all-star potential and no real red flags other than the typical things he needs to improve on like any other 19 year old prospect.
scouts have no idea how to "translate" his chinese stats.
They don't pay attention to his stats they watch how he plays, reacts and moves. They also saw him play against all of the top freshman players in the country last year.
https://www.portsmouthinvitational.com/h...For what it's worth...
The Portsmouth tournament was about a month ago. Just including their all-star team. The first 4 names all played on the same team, which won the tournament.
Complete stats are available at their site. I think you have to be a 4 years senior to play here, so most of the guys are 22+.
2015 adidas Portsmouth Invitational
All-Tournament Team
Treveon Graham, MVP VCU
D.J. Newbill, Penn State
J.J Avila, Colorado State
David Laury, Iona
Richaun Holmes, Bowling Green
Jabril Trawick, Georgetown
D'Angelo Harrison, St. John's
Chavaughn Lewis, Marist
Darion Atkins, Virginia
Cady Lalanne, Massachusetts
Matt Stainbrook, Xavier
Jarvis Williams, Murray State
Who cares what Melo needs? We need to do what's in the best interests of the Knicks and that doesn't mean we cater to an aging player coming off of knee surgery.
LivingLegend wrote:mreinman wrote:Knixkik wrote:mreinman wrote:I think that melo needs a guard more than anything else
I think he does too, but i would still take Towns or Okafor as a top 2, just because they are the top 2 players and you must go BPA. But i won't be mad as long as we stay top 4, because at number 3 or 4, Russell and Mudiay are both great options and will be great with Melo. Plus there just aren't a lot of great FA guards that will be available.
I would be really pissed if we get stuck with mudiay.
for me its:
towns
ok4
russell
winslow
everyone else
we have one draft pick in a gazillion years, I hope we don't wasted it on a guy playing in china who is completely unproven and is believed to be a suspect shooter.
Do you realize what Mudiay would have done to the patsy (non-NBA) talent that Russell played against in the Big 10? Do you realize the Chinese guys Mudiay was playing against were men and that they were better than the cupcakes Russell faced at schools like N-Western, Purdue and Penn State.
Larry Brown said after watching Mudiay and recruiting him to play at SMU. "All I know is that if Mudiay had come to SMU we'd have got a good shot every time down the court".
I believe Brown said he may have had the best vision he's seen coming off the high screen & roll scenario. You can see this in his China film. Frascilla calls him a Jason Kidd type point guard.
did you watch his championship game against marbury?
I did ... really hope we stay away from him.
If you don't think that him playing in china hurts his stock against college players then you are way off.
Knixkik wrote:mreinman wrote:Knixkik wrote:mreinman wrote:Knixkik wrote:mreinman wrote:I think that melo needs a guard more than anything else
I think he does too, but i would still take Towns or Okafor as a top 2, just because they are the top 2 players and you must go BPA. But i won't be mad as long as we stay top 4, because at number 3 or 4, Russell and Mudiay are both great options and will be great with Melo. Plus there just aren't a lot of great FA guards that will be available.
I would be really pissed if we get stuck with mudiay.
for me its:
towns
ok4
russell
winslow
everyone else
we have one draft pick in a gazillion years, I hope we don't wasted it on a guy playing in china who is completely unproven and is believed to be a suspect shooter.
You just can't judge a guy like Mudiay as a waste because he didn't play in college. There is nothing unproven about him. Scouts and teams are well-aware of everything he does, how his china stats translate, and advanced metrics about him. If you personally wouldn't want to draft a player who you haven't seen live on tv, then that's your opinion, but he is no different than guys who played his college in today's drafting world. All those who write about him and have seen him project him as a top talent with all-star potential and no real red flags other than the typical things he needs to improve on like any other 19 year old prospect.
scouts have no idea how to "translate" his chinese stats.
Of course they do. Plenty of NBA players play in that league. It's no different than translating college stats, just smaller sample sizes. In fact they just did it on espn.
yeah walsh did the exact same thing with gallinari and it worked out great so why shouldn't it be the same with someone in the chinese league?
dk7th wrote:Knixkik wrote:mreinman wrote:Knixkik wrote:mreinman wrote:Knixkik wrote:mreinman wrote:I think that melo needs a guard more than anything else
I think he does too, but i would still take Towns or Okafor as a top 2, just because they are the top 2 players and you must go BPA. But i won't be mad as long as we stay top 4, because at number 3 or 4, Russell and Mudiay are both great options and will be great with Melo. Plus there just aren't a lot of great FA guards that will be available.
I would be really pissed if we get stuck with mudiay.
for me its:
towns
ok4
russell
winslow
everyone else
we have one draft pick in a gazillion years, I hope we don't wasted it on a guy playing in china who is completely unproven and is believed to be a suspect shooter.
You just can't judge a guy like Mudiay as a waste because he didn't play in college. There is nothing unproven about him. Scouts and teams are well-aware of everything he does, how his china stats translate, and advanced metrics about him. If you personally wouldn't want to draft a player who you haven't seen live on tv, then that's your opinion, but he is no different than guys who played his college in today's drafting world. All those who write about him and have seen him project him as a top talent with all-star potential and no real red flags other than the typical things he needs to improve on like any other 19 year old prospect.
scouts have no idea how to "translate" his chinese stats.
Of course they do. Plenty of NBA players play in that league. It's no different than translating college stats, just smaller sample sizes. In fact they just did it on espn.
yeah walsh did the exact same thing with gallinari and it worked out great so why shouldn't it be the same with someone in the chinese league?
Kevin Wilson scouted Gallinari.
Hmm, just watched the interview with Russell about speaking to the knicks - he didn't really seem very enthusiastic about joining the Knicks- doesn't even know what the triangle is and didn't pretend to.
