Knicks · Official 2015 NBA Knick Draft Thread.... (page 36)

nixluva wrote:Philly is going to be the interesting team. Do they really want Russell as has been reported? What if they actually go in a different direction?

They'll take whomever falls to them at three out of Towns, Okafor and Russell.

If for example, someone takes Russell at 2, they'll be fine taking Okafor at 3. They can always trade him, or Saric, or Embiid or Noel later if it comes to that or simply have the most imposing rookie frontline in NBA history.

Philly is in a position to jump into any trade, move up or down in any of the next few drafts and has the cap flexibility to pick up just about any free agent. Also they have a massive margin of error to play with with their draft stockpile. If one guy just busts, ok they can keep trucking on, absorb the loss and keep firing with more ammo.

Why anyone, esp you, would trash Sam Hinkie and what he's done in Philly is beyond me.

VCoug wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

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magicTs wrote:At least whoever it is will come with far less pressure and expectations on their shoulders by the sound of things on here. Hopefully the Knicks fans evident disappointment will be a further motivation for someone like Mudiay or Winslow.

all i am saying is... you don't fuvk with duncan'ish potential.... if towns turns into a duncan, fisher will be hated for a long time like don nelson was by knicks fans after the steph curry pick

But what if Mudiay is the next big time guard? What if they take Porzingis and he turns into Dirk? What if it's Winslow and he's A Kawhi?

kawhi is not that great, don't get ahead of yourself, when was the last time a euro big man won multiple championships. and by the way... duncan in his prime blows away dirk in his prime any day.

Kawhi really is that great. He's a game changing defensive player that can guard 1 through 3 and is a very good offensive player. The hope is Winslow is Kawhi but better offensively, he's already a better 3-point shooter. Assuming Towns, Okafor, and Russell go in the top 3 Winslow's the guy I'm leaning towards.

so how many players each year develop into that guard multiple positions and be decent offensively and how many players each year suddenly become skilled big men.

Very few. Not sure what you're getting at.

Cartman718 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

magicTs wrote:At least whoever it is will come with far less pressure and expectations on their shoulders by the sound of things on here. Hopefully the Knicks fans evident disappointment will be a further motivation for someone like Mudiay or Winslow.

all i am saying is... you don't fuvk with duncan'ish potential.... if towns turns into a duncan, fisher will be hated for a long time like don nelson was by knicks fans after the steph curry pick

But what if Mudiay is the next big time guard? What if they take Porzingis and he turns into Dirk? What if it's Winslow and he's A Kawhi?

kawhi is not that great, don't get ahead of yourself, when was the last time a euro big man won multiple championships. and by the way... duncan in his prime blows away dirk in his prime any day.

Kawhi really is that great. He's a game changing defensive player that can guard 1 through 3 and is a very good offensive player. The hope is Winslow is Kawhi but better offensively, he's already a better 3-point shooter. Assuming Towns, Okafor, and Russell go in the top 3 Winslow's the guy I'm leaning towards.

so how many players each year develop into that guard multiple positions and be decent offensively and how many players each year suddenly become skilled big men.

Very few. Not sure what you're getting at.

guys develop into jimmy butlers and kawhi leonards every year all the time. duncans and kgs come along once in a while

that is really an argument for taking a guard

Cartman718 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

magicTs wrote:At least whoever it is will come with far less pressure and expectations on their shoulders by the sound of things on here. Hopefully the Knicks fans evident disappointment will be a further motivation for someone like Mudiay or Winslow.

all i am saying is... you don't fuvk with duncan'ish potential.... if towns turns into a duncan, fisher will be hated for a long time like don nelson was by knicks fans after the steph curry pick

But what if Mudiay is the next big time guard? What if they take Porzingis and he turns into Dirk? What if it's Winslow and he's A Kawhi?

kawhi is not that great, don't get ahead of yourself, when was the last time a euro big man won multiple championships. and by the way... duncan in his prime blows away dirk in his prime any day.

Kawhi really is that great. He's a game changing defensive player that can guard 1 through 3 and is a very good offensive player. The hope is Winslow is Kawhi but better offensively, he's already a better 3-point shooter. Assuming Towns, Okafor, and Russell go in the top 3 Winslow's the guy I'm leaning towards.

so how many players each year develop into that guard multiple positions and be decent offensively and how many players each year suddenly become skilled big men.

Very few. Not sure what you're getting at.

guys develop into jimmy butlers and kawhi leonards every year all the time. duncans and kgs come along once in a while

Obviously, guys like Duncan and KG are much rarer and more valuable. I've been pissed that we won those 2 meaningless games since they happened and now my worst fears came true. But, guys like Butler and Kawhi don't come along every year either. Getting a guy like Kawhi, who I think is Winslow's best comp, would still be a success. Just not as much of a success as getting one of the bigs.

VCoug wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

magicTs wrote:At least whoever it is will come with far less pressure and expectations on their shoulders by the sound of things on here. Hopefully the Knicks fans evident disappointment will be a further motivation for someone like Mudiay or Winslow.

all i am saying is... you don't fuvk with duncan'ish potential.... if towns turns into a duncan, fisher will be hated for a long time like don nelson was by knicks fans after the steph curry pick

But what if Mudiay is the next big time guard? What if they take Porzingis and he turns into Dirk? What if it's Winslow and he's A Kawhi?

kawhi is not that great, don't get ahead of yourself, when was the last time a euro big man won multiple championships. and by the way... duncan in his prime blows away dirk in his prime any day.

Kawhi really is that great. He's a game changing defensive player that can guard 1 through 3 and is a very good offensive player. The hope is Winslow is Kawhi but better offensively, he's already a better 3-point shooter. Assuming Towns, Okafor, and Russell go in the top 3 Winslow's the guy I'm leaning towards.

so how many players each year develop into that guard multiple positions and be decent offensively and how many players each year suddenly become skilled big men.

Very few. Not sure what you're getting at.

guys develop into jimmy butlers and kawhi leonards every year all the time. duncans and kgs come along once in a while

Obviously, guys like Duncan and KG are much rarer and more valuable. I've been pissed that we won those 2 meaningless games since they happened and now my worst fears came true. But, guys like Butler and Kawhi don't come along every year either. Getting a guy like Kawhi, who I think is Winslow's best comp, would still be a success. Just not as much of a success as getting one of the bigs.

you have a chance to hit a hole-in-one, and we settled for a birdie.

Cartman718 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

magicTs wrote:At least whoever it is will come with far less pressure and expectations on their shoulders by the sound of things on here. Hopefully the Knicks fans evident disappointment will be a further motivation for someone like Mudiay or Winslow.

all i am saying is... you don't fuvk with duncan'ish potential.... if towns turns into a duncan, fisher will be hated for a long time like don nelson was by knicks fans after the steph curry pick

But what if Mudiay is the next big time guard? What if they take Porzingis and he turns into Dirk? What if it's Winslow and he's A Kawhi?

kawhi is not that great, don't get ahead of yourself, when was the last time a euro big man won multiple championships. and by the way... duncan in his prime blows away dirk in his prime any day.

Kawhi really is that great. He's a game changing defensive player that can guard 1 through 3 and is a very good offensive player. The hope is Winslow is Kawhi but better offensively, he's already a better 3-point shooter. Assuming Towns, Okafor, and Russell go in the top 3 Winslow's the guy I'm leaning towards.

so how many players each year develop into that guard multiple positions and be decent offensively and how many players each year suddenly become skilled big men.

Very few. Not sure what you're getting at.

guys develop into jimmy butlers and kawhi leonards every year all the time. duncans and kgs come along once in a while

Obviously, guys like Duncan and KG are much rarer and more valuable. I've been pissed that we won those 2 meaningless games since they happened and now my worst fears came true. But, guys like Butler and Kawhi don't come along every year either. Getting a guy like Kawhi, who I think is Winslow's best comp, would still be a success. Just not as much of a success as getting one of the bigs.

you have a chance to hit a hole-in-one, and we settled for a birdie.

That's a great way to put it. Winning those two games and dropping from 1 to 4 is a small disaster. But, there's still good talent there and we can salvage it. As long as we don't trade the pick.

Cartman718 wrote:i would trade the pick in a NY min if it meant getting towns, okafor or russell
these are the only 3 sure things in this draft.

trade up? how?

mreinman wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:i would trade the pick in a NY min if it meant getting towns, okafor or russell
these are the only 3 sure things in this draft.

trade up? how?

that's phil's job to figure out... not mine

We are very fortunate that this draft is deep at the top. what falls in our lap might be the best player.

For all those crying about Kharma, curses and winning two games at the end its not about who we DON'T get, its WHO WE DO PICK!!!!

FOr all we know neither Oka4 or towns won't be better than Greg Monroe (im sure one will be)and we might end up with a HOF all star guard to pair with him and Melo. Might take a year or two for him to be that.

Its a work in progress and most likley we won't know the best player in this draft for 5 years.

5 years. Phil won't our president then. A lot of things will have changed. Enjoy the ride, not the destination.

Cartman718 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:i would trade the pick in a NY min if it meant getting towns, okafor or russell
these are the only 3 sure things in this draft.

trade up? how?

that's phil's job to figure out... not mine

Melo to LA could get it done. We get their #2 and our #2 (OK4+Mudiay looks nice) and they get their big 3 - Kobe, Melo, Rondo. That might actually be Melo's best shot at winning a chip in his prime years. Certainly won't happen in NYC.

I think if OK4 fell to the 76ers they would pick him and maybe trade Embiid to us or the magic so they can also draft Mudiay or Russell

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Rami...

Moonangie wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:i would trade the pick in a NY min if it meant getting towns, okafor or russell
these are the only 3 sure things in this draft.

trade up? how?

that's phil's job to figure out... not mine

Melo to LA could get it done. We get their #2 and our #2 (OK4+Mudiay looks nice) and they get their big 3 - Kobe, Melo, Rondo. That might actually be Melo's best shot at winning a chip in his prime years. Certainly won't happen in NYC.

you think that the lakers give up the #2 pick for melo? c'mon bud

mreinman wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:i would trade the pick in a NY min if it meant getting towns, okafor or russell
these are the only 3 sure things in this draft.

trade up? how?

that's phil's job to figure out... not mine

Melo to LA could get it done. We get their #2 and our #2 (OK4+Mudiay looks nice) and they get their big 3 - Kobe, Melo, Rondo. That might actually be Melo's best shot at winning a chip in his prime years. Certainly won't happen in NYC.

you think that the lakers give up the #2 pick for melo? c'mon bud

Like I said, I think they would if we took back Kobe, and they signed Love- their new owner is Dolan's long lost twin, and likely goes for the starphuck.

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:i would trade the pick in a NY min if it meant getting towns, okafor or russell
these are the only 3 sure things in this draft.

trade up? how?

that's phil's job to figure out... not mine

Melo to LA could get it done. We get their #2 and our #2 (OK4+Mudiay looks nice) and they get their big 3 - Kobe, Melo, Rondo. That might actually be Melo's best shot at winning a chip in his prime years. Certainly won't happen in NYC.

you think that the lakers give up the #2 pick for melo? c'mon bud

Like I said, I think they would if we took back Kobe, and they signed Love- their new owner is Dolan's long lost twin, and likely goes for the starphuck.

not a 1 in 100000 chance.

melo contract is basically untradable and you want to add the #2 pick?

this is trade rape of the highest degree

throwing in kobe who is an expiring does not make it much better

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:i would trade the pick in a NY min if it meant getting towns, okafor or russell
these are the only 3 sure things in this draft.

trade up? how?

that's phil's job to figure out... not mine

Melo to LA could get it done. We get their #2 and our #2 (OK4+Mudiay looks nice) and they get their big 3 - Kobe, Melo, Rondo. That might actually be Melo's best shot at winning a chip in his prime years. Certainly won't happen in NYC.

you think that the lakers give up the #2 pick for melo? c'mon bud

Like I said, I think they would if we took back Kobe, and they signed Love- their new owner is Dolan's long lost twin, and likely goes for the starphuck.

not a 1 in 100000 chance.

melo contract is basically untradable and you want to add the #2 pick?

this is trade rape of the highest degree

throwing in kobe who is an expiring does not make it much better

Melo's contract is not terrible for the Lakers- this year it would be nullified by them offloading Kobe, then the next few years it decreases significantly as a percentage of the salary cap. If I were them I'd rather build around OK4, but their new management is pretty bad (they still want Rondo and were prepared to give him a max before these playoffs!), so I think they may consider a terrible trio of starphucks.

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:i would trade the pick in a NY min if it meant getting towns, okafor or russell
these are the only 3 sure things in this draft.

trade up? how?

that's phil's job to figure out... not mine

Melo to LA could get it done. We get their #2 and our #2 (OK4+Mudiay looks nice) and they get their big 3 - Kobe, Melo, Rondo. That might actually be Melo's best shot at winning a chip in his prime years. Certainly won't happen in NYC.

you think that the lakers give up the #2 pick for melo? c'mon bud

Like I said, I think they would if we took back Kobe, and they signed Love- their new owner is Dolan's long lost twin, and likely goes for the starphuck.

not a 1 in 100000 chance.

melo contract is basically untradable and you want to add the #2 pick?

this is trade rape of the highest degree

throwing in kobe who is an expiring does not make it much better

Melo's contract is not terrible for the Lakers- this year it would be nullified by them offloading Kobe, then the next few years it decreases significantly as a percentage of the salary cap. If I were them I'd rather build around OK4, but their new management is pretty bad (they still want Rondo and were prepared to give him a max before these playoffs!), so I think they may consider a terrible trio of starphucks.

well ... any team willing to pay for rondo obviously has zero credibility and who the hell knows what they will do

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:i would trade the pick in a NY min if it meant getting towns, okafor or russell
these are the only 3 sure things in this draft.

trade up? how?

that's phil's job to figure out... not mine

Melo to LA could get it done. We get their #2 and our #2 (OK4+Mudiay looks nice) and they get their big 3 - Kobe, Melo, Rondo. That might actually be Melo's best shot at winning a chip in his prime years. Certainly won't happen in NYC.

you think that the lakers give up the #2 pick for melo? c'mon bud

Like I said, I think they would if we took back Kobe, and they signed Love- their new owner is Dolan's long lost twin, and likely goes for the starphuck.

not a 1 in 100000 chance.

melo contract is basically untradable and you want to add the #2 pick?

this is trade rape of the highest degree

throwing in kobe who is an expiring does not make it much better

Melo's contract is not terrible for the Lakers- this year it would be nullified by them offloading Kobe, then the next few years it decreases significantly as a percentage of the salary cap. If I were them I'd rather build around OK4, but their new management is pretty bad (they still want Rondo and were prepared to give him a max before these playoffs!), so I think they may consider a terrible trio of starphucks.

well ... any team willing to pay for rondo obviously has zero credibility and who the hell knows what they will do

Like I said- Buss Jr is Dolan's long lost twin. They also don't seem to believe in metrics, and their coach expressly told them not to shoot 3s. This is why I think there's a small chance they would consider Melo for OK4, but it's contingent on Love signing with them.

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yellowboy90 wrote:What if Love and the Lakers have a handshake deal can you pair Okafor with Love?

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great offense terrible defense.

I think that Love does not just want to be a stretch like he was in cleveland and wants the ball more in the post