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Hector wrote:Dalembert never in his life played like D Jordan.

What, Will Perdue had offensive skill? Bill Cartwright?

I'm sure he can do his thing somewhere in that triangle.

Rodman had no offense, I'm sure this guy can rebound in any offense no matter the shape.

Just curious, but are you saying Cartwright had no offensive skill? Not clear what you mean. Anyway, Bill had a legit post-up game and an unblockable mid-range jumper with a very high release that was pretty accurate. He was plodding and slow overall, but there was finesse in his hands and he knew how to get his shot off. And he could pass. He was a quality center.

The Knicks would thank their lucky stars to have a Cartwright again.

EnySpree wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

VCoug wrote:He clearly didn't fit in the triangle and I would imagine L.A. is going to give him a max or near max deal this summer; certainly more money and more years than we're able to offer.

If Rodman can fit the triangle though y wouldn't a guy like Jordan? His skill set on offense is getting put backs off offensive rebounds and pick and rolls which we do run within the triangle.

If we draft okafor maybe.... thing is the guy can't shoot at all and that's going to put him in the same situation Dalembert was in

He can't shoot but to his credit he never actually shoots. His recent shot chart is amazing. I saw it the other day he has taken literally ONE midrange jumper (along with 3 end of quarter/half/regulation 3 point heaves) this entire season. Every single other shot was in the paint.

This is a guy who knows what he does well and maximizes those things. Don't see why he couldn't anchor the D on the Knicks triangle or whatever!

I've come around a lot on Jordan. He's developed into a very nice player. LA will max him no doubt. Ballmer ain't worried about spending s little extra.

Splat wrote:

Hector wrote:Dalembert never in his life played like D Jordan.

What, Will Perdue had offensive skill? Bill Cartwright?

I'm sure he can do his thing somewhere in that triangle.

Rodman had no offense, I'm sure this guy can rebound in any offense no matter the shape.

Just curious, but are you saying Cartwright had no offensive skill? Not clear what you mean. Anyway, Bill had a legit post-up game and an unblockable mid-range jumper with a very high release that was pretty accurate. He was plodding and slow overall, but there was finesse in his hands and he knew how to get his shot off. And he could pass. He was a quality center.

The Knicks would thank their lucky stars to have a Cartwright again.

Bill Cartwright averaged like 9 points a game for the bulls (In the 1990's, with Phil)

At that point, I wouldn't even care about his offensive skill level - but I should have said 'Offensive output' instead.

I wasn't trying to degrade Bill's game, but his output could be met easily by D Jordan, so what would be the problem with him in the triangle when it comes to his offensive game?

Hector wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Hector wrote:Dalembert never in his life played like D Jordan.

What, Will Perdue had offensive skill? Bill Cartwright?

I'm sure he can do his thing somewhere in that triangle.

Rodman had no offense, I'm sure this guy can rebound in any offense no matter the shape.

check Dalembert stats and get back to me. DeAndre isn't exactly dwarfing what Dalembert did.

Will Perdue was fundementally sound. DeAndre is not.

Bill cartwright was a 20 pt a game scorer in his career. He was good in Chicago too. Guy could post up shoot, pass and hold his own on both ends of the floor against any center in his day. DeAndre wish he could be bill cartwright.

And Dennis Rodman is an all time great. He did more than just rebound. The guy could hit a free throw at the very least and was a good passer.

You are not sure if DeAndre jordan can do anything in the triangle. Don't throw real basketball players under the bus bbecause you like the way the guy dunks the basketball.

The dumbest part of your reply is the part where you say '...because you like the way the guy dunks the basketball'.

Never mentioned any part of his skill set so stop making shit up.

I must have missed all those 20-20 games Dalembert put up in his prime.

I'm sure he was a better shot blocker than D Jordan in his prime.
Don't make this triangle out to be advanced mathematics either.

I'm sure there are plenty of guys that can fit the system - if they want to.

The dumbest part of your reply is that you still haven't said anything

Hector wrote:Why are you gonna worry about him on the offensive end? I'm sure he'll do just fine with putbacks & other miscellaneous opportunities. I'd like that huge anchor on the Defensive end.

I can deal with this statement. It's the other stuff you said I can't deal with. I still don't agree with you but at least you aren't throwing real basketball players under the bus

Some of you guys are too Triangle heavy.

Defense, rebounding and high efficiency are right for any system.

Hector wrote:

Splat wrote:

Hector wrote:Dalembert never in his life played like D Jordan.

What, Will Perdue had offensive skill? Bill Cartwright?

I'm sure he can do his thing somewhere in that triangle.

Rodman had no offense, I'm sure this guy can rebound in any offense no matter the shape.

Just curious, but are you saying Cartwright had no offensive skill? Not clear what you mean. Anyway, Bill had a legit post-up game and an unblockable mid-range jumper with a very high release that was pretty accurate. He was plodding and slow overall, but there was finesse in his hands and he knew how to get his shot off. And he could pass. He was a quality center.

The Knicks would thank their lucky stars to have a Cartwright again.

Bill Cartwright averaged like 9 points a game for the bulls (In the 1990's, with Phil)

At that point, I wouldn't even care about his offensive skill level - but I should have said 'Offensive output' instead.

I wasn't trying to degrade Bill's game, but his output could be met easily by D Jordan, so what would be the problem with him in the triangle when it comes to his offensive game?

Bill spent the majority of his career as a Knick and before the Bulls he was usually a core offensive player during that time. Citing his offensive contribution later in his career on a team with Michael Jordan and Co. is apples and oranges compared to his offensive role on the Knicks.

Anyway, as a type of player, he is nothing like DeAndre Jordan. Bill had a quality jumper and most seasons his FG% was in the mid-50s.

Splat wrote:

Hector wrote:

Splat wrote:

Hector wrote:Dalembert never in his life played like D Jordan.

What, Will Perdue had offensive skill? Bill Cartwright?

I'm sure he can do his thing somewhere in that triangle.

Rodman had no offense, I'm sure this guy can rebound in any offense no matter the shape.

Just curious, but are you saying Cartwright had no offensive skill? Not clear what you mean. Anyway, Bill had a legit post-up game and an unblockable mid-range jumper with a very high release that was pretty accurate. He was plodding and slow overall, but there was finesse in his hands and he knew how to get his shot off. And he could pass. He was a quality center.

The Knicks would thank their lucky stars to have a Cartwright again.

Bill Cartwright averaged like 9 points a game for the bulls (In the 1990's, with Phil)

At that point, I wouldn't even care about his offensive skill level - but I should have said 'Offensive output' instead.

I wasn't trying to degrade Bill's game, but his output could be met easily by D Jordan, so what would be the problem with him in the triangle when it comes to his offensive game?

Bill spent the majority of his career as a Knick and before the Bulls he was usually a core offensive player during that time. Citing his offensive contribution later in his career on a team with Michael Jordan and Co. is apples and oranges compared to his offensive role on the Knicks.

Anyway, as a type of player, he is nothing like DeAndre Jordan. Bill had a quality jumper and most seasons his FG% was in the mid-50s.

One season with the Bulls was over 50% - his last. His Knick seasons were light years from the triangle, which was the whole point of bringing ol' Bill up in the 1st place. Bottom line, kill or dismiss D Jordan all you want, but unless M Gasol or L Aldridge come here, you could do much worse than this guy.

smackeddog wrote:Jordans rebounding numbers are inflated- look at that roster- who else is rebounding?

Career-wise, I'd say Reddick is their only starter who's a below average rebounder

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Jordans rebounding numbers are inflated- look at that roster- who else is rebounding?

Career-wise, I'd say Reddick is their only starter who's a below average rebounder

who exactly is grabbing boards on our squad?

I do think we need to consider maxing out Deandre Jordan- if only to help solve the problem of rebounding and defense from the center position. If he could give us production similar to what Chandler did his DPOY season, then that would be money well spent.

I'd worry about the 'triangle' and 'fit' later- I think (er, hope) Fisher & PJ are open to editing their system to better compete with whatever talent they have.

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Jordans rebounding numbers are inflated- look at that roster- who else is rebounding?

Career-wise, I'd say Reddick is their only starter who's a below average rebounder

Yeah you're right, Bonn. Those are totally inflated numbers.

He would still average 12 rebs even with Griffin doing 10 rebs a game.

At least he is stepping up. Even if he was on the floor with 4 point guards - the guy can rebound.

Hector wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Jordans rebounding numbers are inflated- look at that roster- who else is rebounding?

Career-wise, I'd say Reddick is their only starter who's a below average rebounder

Yeah you're right, Bonn. Those are totally inflated numbers.

He would still average 12 rebs even with Griffin doing 10 rebs a game.

At least he is stepping up. Even if he was on the floor with 4 point guards - the guy can rebound.

Hector wrote:Look at these rebound numbers. I'd love to have this guy.

We're not running a pg dominant offense. It's in his best interest to stay where he is. Unless we get Lebron or Durant...can you imagine?

EnySpree wrote:

Hector wrote:Look at these rebound numbers. I'd love to have this guy.

We're not running a pg dominant offense. It's in his best interest to stay where he is. Unless we get Lebron or Durant...can you imagine?

It is in his best interests to get the most money wherever he can get it from- regardless of system. This might very well be his last big contract.

I'm not saying he is a must get, but I like him as much as Gasol.

newyorknewyork wrote:

VCoug wrote:He clearly didn't fit in the triangle and I would imagine L.A. is going to give him a max or near max deal this summer; certainly more money and more years than we're able to offer.

If Rodman can fit the triangle though y wouldn't a guy like Jordan? His skill set on offense is getting put backs off offensive rebounds and pick and rolls which we do run within the triangle.

Rodman had a high BBall IQ. Can you say that about DeAndre?

Good matchup to watch.