Knicks · Realistic expectations for the offseason (page 1)

I try to think of additions that are more realistic rather than optimistic and less likely. Obviously the draft will be our biggest chance to add a good young player on a rookie deal. Id be happy with okafor russell or towns. Either player has all star potential. As for free agency it gets tricky. Players like dragic and love would be great but unlikely to not resign with their respective teams. Interested to hear peoples thoughts on realistic additions phil will make

StarksEwing1 wrote:I try to think of additions that are more realistic rather than optimistic and less likely. Obviously the draft will be our biggest chance to add a good young player on a rookie deal. Id be happy with okafor russell or towns. Either player has all star potential. As for free agency it gets tricky. Players like dragic and love would be great but unlikely to not resign with their respective teams. Interested to hear peoples thoughts on realistic additions phil will make

I have a hard time believing that we will be a good team next season. Carmelo's injury made me a lot more apprehensive now then ever. We need too many players to be able to compete. Our lack of talent on the roster, as well as, draft picks will definitely hurt us

Knicks1969 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:I try to think of additions that are more realistic rather than optimistic and less likely. Obviously the draft will be our biggest chance to add a good young player on a rookie deal. Id be happy with okafor russell or towns. Either player has all star potential. As for free agency it gets tricky. Players like dragic and love would be great but unlikely to not resign with their respective teams. Interested to hear peoples thoughts on realistic additions phil will make

I have a hard time believing that we will be a good team next season. Carmelo's injury made me a lot more apprehensive now then ever. We need too many players to be able to compete. Our lack of talent on the roster, as well as, draft picks will definitely hurt us

i respect your honesty. Tough to argue unless our draft pick has a big rookie year and we somehow win in free agency. I hope we win because we dont have any picks thanks to the dumb bargs trade

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:I try to think of additions that are more realistic rather than optimistic and less likely. Obviously the draft will be our biggest chance to add a good young player on a rookie deal. Id be happy with okafor russell or towns. Either player has all star potential. As for free agency it gets tricky. Players like dragic and love would be great but unlikely to not resign with their respective teams. Interested to hear peoples thoughts on realistic additions phil will make

I have a hard time believing that we will be a good team next season. Carmelo's injury made me a lot more apprehensive now then ever. We need too many players to be able to compete. Our lack of talent on the roster, as well as, draft picks will definitely hurt us

i respect your honesty. Tough to argue unless our draft pick has a big rookie year and we somehow win in free agency. I hope we win because we dont have any picks thanks to the dumb bargs trade

yeah, the team pretty much has to be good next season otherwise that Bargs trade will go down as one of the Knicks dumbest ever. cant believe folks actually praised that deal.

All of the "will be targeted" FAs will choose to remain with their respective teams. Carmelo will be a year older, much less athletic then he was with a much bigger ego. Unless Phil makes the decision to coach the Knicks, we will have no chance. We simply can't expect a young rookie to suddenly become our savior

We've gotta start with a starting level talent in the starting 5. Melo, Draft Pick, at the very least 2-3 quality FA's. At that point you have a respectable team you can put out there every night. It's gonna take some work, but there are some FA's who could make an immediate impact on the team. It will be interesting to see how Phil intends to work Free Agency.

think we will need to find many players that outplay their contracts and are younger, with the ability to still improve, on multiyear contracts
from the range vet min to 2m-3.5m and about 5m, 2-3year deal with final year being team options

Looking at the production of Augistine/Bayless, both of which I wanted to use our Mini MLE on last summer, backups that can play as Starters if needed
some examples include, some of which can be UFA's this summer, but the contracts that they are on is what we need after we acquire 1-2 CORE players *including our 1st rounder* to build around
Many players on this list I have been hoping we acquire for many years in FA

Some of these players have team options/player options

DJ Augistine
Bayless

Aaron Brooks
Gary Neal
Sessions

Randy Foye
Stuckey
Gereld Green *signed a 3year deal at 3.5m per year and was recalled from the D League by the Nets first, he has proven himself since and will not be taking a pay cut, however, these are the types of players/talents we need to find*

Kent Bazemore
Rasual Butler
Jeffrey Taylor

James Johnson
Matt Barnes
Wesley Johnson

Anthony Tolliver
Charlie V
Copeland

Dante Cunningham
Trevor Booker

Josh McRoberts
Kris Humphries
Ed Davis
Brandon Wright
Scola
Bass
Darrel Arthur

Lavoy Allen
Serephin
Koufus
Freeland
Alexis Ajinca

Hassam Whiteside *especially if we can find a diamond in the rough*

We see guys get underpaid EVERY YEAR and this year we will have a decent amount of salary to spend but we need to spend it wisely like some of the contracts have been paid with the list above
First we need to draft the right player and sign the FA to form our Triangle of talent as our core, then build a philosophy of how we would like to construct the team and play to its strenghts and hide/limit the weakness's

Would resign Cole Aldrich with his early Bird Right's and overpay for him just so we can have the full MLE and split it for 2 players
Phil needs to decide to continue to roll the dice on Tim Hardaway JR and Early or see if we can trade them on draft night for 2nd rounders in this years draft
Along with Larkin, Acey, Jason Smith *wonder if there was offers for him this trade deadline with the way he has been playing recently*

Knicks1969 wrote:All of the "will be targeted" FAs will choose to remain with their respective teams. Carmelo will be a year older, much less athletic then he was with a much bigger ego. Unless Phil makes the decision to coach the Knicks, we will have no chance. We simply can't expect a young rookie to suddenly become our savior

i try to remain positive but i also understand so much has to go our way. I hope everything works out

Knicks1969 wrote:All of the "will be targeted" FAs will choose to remain with their respective teams. Carmelo will be a year older, much less athletic then he was with a much bigger ego. Unless Phil makes the decision to coach the Knicks, we will have no chance. We simply can't expect a young rookie to suddenly become our savior

I actually do think some key players will move. there's gonna be money out there for them and their current teams may not spend over what they think they're worth. Whether they come here is up in the air, but we'll see.

Our only hope is for Phil to draft D. Russell. With him in the back court and Carmelo in the middle with a defensive front court, we might be able to compete. Who ever is he front court dude we draft will require at least three years to develop and acclimate with the rigorous nba schedule.

We need one of okafor towns or russell. Not sold on mudiay

I'm not sold on the consensus #1 pick. Dude's defense and efforts are subpar on a college level.

knickscity wrote:I'm not sold on the consensus #1 pick. Dude's defense and efforts are subpar on a college level.

towns may end up better overall

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knickscity wrote:I'm not sold on the consensus #1 pick. Dude's defense and efforts are subpar on a college level.

towns may end up better overall

He has two way talent for sure. Whether he can actually dominate is what i wonder. More will be told come march madness time.

towns should be the pick if he's there... if we don't grab him it's not the end of the world but it would make our offseason a lot easier... having a two way center gives you a lot of options...

FistOfOakley wrote:towns should be the pick if he's there... if we don't grab him it's not the end of the world but it would make our offseason a lot easier... having a two way center gives you a lot of options...

Between Towns and Russell, Phil MUST pick one of those two players if he is serious about our future. Both have two-way ability and can help make others better.

The NY media will force Phil to make the wrong pick. I hope we don't end up with the first pick

Knicks1969 wrote:

FistOfOakley wrote:towns should be the pick if he's there... if we don't grab him it's not the end of the world but it would make our offseason a lot easier... having a two way center gives you a lot of options...

Between Towns and Russell, Phil MUST pick one of those two players if he is serious about our future. Both have two-way ability and can help make others better.

The NY media will force Phil to make the wrong pick. I hope we don't end up with the first pick

The media will have ZERO impact on who Phil takes. He's not going to trust anyone more than himself and his long time friend and scout Clarence Gaines Jr. His decision will be based on the players talent and fitness to be a winner. Phil isn't some flighty weak minded person.

nixluva wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

FistOfOakley wrote:towns should be the pick if he's there... if we don't grab him it's not the end of the world but it would make our offseason a lot easier... having a two way center gives you a lot of options...

Between Towns and Russell, Phil MUST pick one of those two players if he is serious about our future. Both have two-way ability and can help make others better.

The NY media will force Phil to make the wrong pick. I hope we don't end up with the first pick

The media will have ZERO impact on who Phil takes. He's not going to trust anyone more than himself and his long time friend and scout Clarence Gaines Jr. His decision will be based on the players talent and fitness to be a winner. Phil isn't some flighty weak minded person.

the knicks should hire you for Their PR work

I will take the #1 pic bc either two, or three team might want okufar bad enough to trade up. Can get a pick or player and still in position to get Towns or Russell.

I don't know if our focus should be on acquiring specific players as much as on maximizing our tools to improve our team. We're looking good on the cap space front but are dreadful in terms of draft picks and player assets. The reality is that we're going to suck next year anyway, so our main objective should be on laying the groundwork to be able to make the moves we need to make for the future.

But just to indulge the general spirit of the thread, I'd look to consolidate Calderon, Shane Larkin and THJr for George Hill. His advanced numbers, insofar as scoring the basketball, are looking better now that he has the ball in his hands more. And he's a former Spur- one that Greg Popovich still raves about- so there is obviously a pedigree there that we could benefit from.

I'd then look to trade down in the draft for the Lakers top 3 pick and the pick they own from the Rockets. Hopefully, D'Angelo Russell is still available because he'd be my guy. I believe in his talent and I think George Hill would be an excellent mentor to him until Russell could take over the starting role. With the 25th pick, I'd look into selecting Frank Kaminsky if he slips.

As far as free agents are concerned, I'd throw max money at Greg Monroe and offer Aaron Afflalo a frontloaded deal starting at $14 million per for 3 years. With the mini midlevel exception, I'd look to pursue a stretch combo forward. I'm not sure if any of those are available in free agency but I'd be interested in using our cap space to acquire Josh McRobert's contract if the Heat are interested in opening up cap space of their own.

RonRon wrote:think we will need to find many players that outplay their contracts and are younger, with the ability to still improve, on multiyear contracts
from the range vet min to 2m-3.5m and about 5m, 2-3year deal with final year being team options

Looking at the production of Augistine/Bayless, both of which I wanted to use our Mini MLE on last summer, backups that can play as Starters if needed
some examples include, some of which can be UFA's this summer, but the contracts that they are on is what we need after we acquire 1-2 CORE players *including our 1st rounder* to build around
Many players on this list I have been hoping we acquire for many years in FA

Some of these players have team options/player options

DJ Augistine
Bayless

Aaron Brooks
Gary Neal
Sessions

Randy Foye
Stuckey
Gereld Green *signed a 3year deal at 3.5m per year and was recalled from the D League by the Nets first, he has proven himself since and will not be taking a pay cut, however, these are the types of players/talents we need to find*

Kent Bazemore
Rasual Butler
Jeffrey Taylor

James Johnson
Matt Barnes
Wesley Johnson

Anthony Tolliver
Charlie V
Copeland

Dante Cunningham
Trevor Booker

Josh McRoberts
Kris Humphries
Ed Davis
Brandon Wright
Scola
Bass
Darrel Arthur

Lavoy Allen
Serephin
Koufus
Freeland
Alexis Ajinca

Hassam Whiteside *especially if we can find a diamond in the rough*

We see guys get underpaid EVERY YEAR and this year we will have a decent amount of salary to spend but we need to spend it wisely like some of the contracts have been paid with the list above
First we need to draft the right player and sign the FA to form our Triangle of talent as our core, then build a philosophy of how we would like to construct the team and play to its strenghts and hide/limit the weakness's

Would resign Cole Aldrich with his early Bird Right's and overpay for him just so we can have the full MLE and split it for 2 players
Phil needs to decide to continue to roll the dice on Tim Hardaway JR and Early or see if we can trade them on draft night for 2nd rounders in this years draft
Along with Larkin, Acey, Jason Smith *wonder if there was offers for him this trade deadline with the way he has been playing recently*

i don't recognize a lot of names but scola, humphries, and bass would be good guys to have on the team.

the issue for me is where are the 12-15 million dollar players from this list? i asked another poster, enyspree, about the same issue and he refuses to answer the question. my criteria are "triangle fit" and "defend the position"

now, who from this list of yours is a 12-15 million dollar player who possesses these two criteria?