Can we give him a chance to learn the system and his teammates before we do the usual hack job on him. He just got here and already he's getting hammered. Unreal! SMDH!
nixluva wrote:Can we give him a chance to learn the system and his teammates before we do the usual hack job on him. He just got here and already he's getting hammered. Unreal! SMDH!
LMAO.....Get em Nix.
You are the voice of reason.....Unfortunately, you are fighting an uphill battle with die hard knick fans. They want the number 1 pick.....but at the same time, want to look like a relevant team. Can't have your cake and eat it too.
And learning this system seems like it's harder than I thought. I never really understood it myself. I just saw the championship results. But I always wondered, how would the triangle look if average players were running it? mmmmmmm
vs some of the best basketball players that ever walked the earth. This will be an interesting experiment.....Phills system and his legacy is on the line over the next 4-5 years. The good thing is that he knows this and will try his hardest to protect it.
He has a good handle for his size. Got into the lane a couple of times. Good pick up in a trade for a 40 year old player.
nixluva wrote:Can we give him a chance to learn the system and his teammates before we do the usual hack job on him. He just got here and already he's getting hammered. Unreal! SMDH!
Take a break from the promotional schtick poncho. Or maybe you've never seen Alec Baldwin on SNL before. Unreal
im all about keeping it real. this guy sucks and i doubt hell be in the NBA in a few yrs
Too small a sample size to judge, he looked crap for an NBA player although he is known for being inconsistent. I'll wait.
callmened wrote:im all about keeping it real. this guy sucks and i doubt hell be in the NBA in a few yrs
You say that about every player that's not currently on the all star team. Your contribution here is garbage sir.
Splat wrote:Discuss
Wow as soon as I say you make zero contribution you make a thread I was about to start myself.
I actually liked everything I saw the dude do last night. I want to see more. I think he's going to end up putting together some nice games down the stretch. He's the most skilled guard we have and that's sad
Splat wrote:nixluva wrote:Can we give him a chance to learn the system and his teammates before we do the usual hack job on him. He just got here and already he's getting hammered. Unreal! SMDH!
Take a break from the promotional schtick poncho. Or maybe you've never seen Alec Baldwin on SNL before. Unreal
Wow, Alec Baldwin was on SNL? Did he host it right after George Carlin?
The only thing I care about the rest of this year (barring adding more young talent somehow), is taking a real good, long look at Early and now Shved. I don't care about any other player on this roster (yeah I wanna see THJ and Galloway hopefully put up some big games, I just don't think it'll happen. To be honest, if next year's team features big roles for THJ and Galloway in the rotation--if they're even still on the team--we didn't have the type of off-season I'm hoping we have). Hopefully Fisher focuses his energy on finding out about Early and Shved. Up to me, they'd both be starting and playing big mins. the rest of the way. It could only benefit us--either we find out if they're both keepers or, mainly in Early's case, he could up his trade value significantly if he starts playing better.
This trade of Prigioni for Shved + 2 2nd rounders = GOOD TRADE. For Shved alone, it would've been a good deal, just to get younger with the swap and to shave Pablo's salary off next year's books. Yet we also got two future 2nd rounders that we can use to replenish the draft cupboard with so to speak. I haven't been that high on Phil Jackson so far (though it is still early, I understand)--I didn't care for the Calderon trade and I don't care to hear him popping off on twitter like a clown about his own team or anything else, but this trade was on point. I actually like Shved. Can't really explain why he hasn't shot the ball better in the NBA so far but you can tell he has a decent stroke. I think he could still improve. Dude shot over 40% from 3 in Russia a couple of years ago...But it's the other intangibles -- still young, good size (esp. if/when he plays the point), good shifty ball-handler, great court vision/awareness, great feel for the game -- that make him intriguing. He's worth investigating imo...
callmened wrote:im all about keeping it real. this guy sucks and i doubt hell be in the NBA in a few yrs
I had to chuckle a bit when I saw an article or blog post that said the Knicks acquired a "sharpshooter" in Schved considering he has never shot over .400 in his entire NBA career.
H1AND1 wrote:callmened wrote:im all about keeping it real. this guy sucks and i doubt hell be in the NBA in a few yrs
I had to chuckle a bit when I saw an article or blog post that said the Knicks acquired a "sharpshooter" in Schved considering he has never shot over .400 in his entire NBA career.
He's a better shooter than that. Shumpert shot less than 40% total all 3 years in college and right around 30% from 3. Pablo Prigioni in the Spanish league the year before we got him, shot 40% overall and 27% from 3. Both these guys became better shooters in the NBA--I thought it became possibly the best aspect of each player's game while they were here in fact. In 2011-12 season in Russia combined, Shved shot 47.5% from the floor overall (238-501), 41.5% from 3 (80-193) and 79.4% at the line (112-141). Those numbers are more than respectable and indicate that he can shoot the ball. If we're gonna use Emmanuel Mudiay's numbers in China before he went down to say that he definitively can't shoot, then let's use these numbers for Shved to say that maybe he can get better. I'm not trying to make Shved out to be Michael Jordan but let's give him a chance. Decent international shooting numbers before the NBA, a clean enough looking stroke and release (something Shumpert had too--when you have this, there's legit hope to fix a shot and raise a shooting %), a slew of intangibles at 6'6" and more than a handful of good performances in the NBA under his belt thusfar. Let's see what he can do. If Fisher doesn't play this kid big mins the rest of the way, it's a fail.
Finestrg wrote:H1AND1 wrote:callmened wrote:im all about keeping it real. this guy sucks and i doubt hell be in the NBA in a few yrs
I had to chuckle a bit when I saw an article or blog post that said the Knicks acquired a "sharpshooter" in Schved considering he has never shot over .400 in his entire NBA career.
He's a better shooter than that. Shumpert shot less than 40% total all 3 years in college and right around 30% from 3. Pablo Prigioni in the Spanish league the year before we got him, shot 40% overall and 27% from 3. Both these guys became better shooters in the NBA--I thought it became possibly the best aspect of each player's game while they were here in fact. In 2011-12 season in Russia combined, Shved shot 47.5% from the floor overall (238-501), 41.5% from 3 (80-193) and 79.4% at the line (112-141). Those numbers are more than respectable and indicate that he can shoot the ball. If we're gonna use Emmanuel Mudiay's numbers in China before he went down to say that he definitively can't shoot, then let's use these numbers for Shved to say that maybe he can get better. I'm not trying to make Shved out to be Michael Jordan but let's give him a chance. Decent international shooting numbers before the NBA, a clean enough looking stroke and release (something Shumpert had too--when you have this, there's legit hope to fix a shot and raise a shooting %), a slew of intangibles at 6'6" and more than a handful of good performances in the NBA under his belt thusfar. Let's see what he can do. If Fisher doesn't play this kid big mins the rest of the way, it's a fail.
His shot selection has been bad and he takes a lot of contested shots, especially from mid-range. He should take a look at Brent Barry and learn how to play more within the offense.
The Knicks need to keep working with Shved on his shot selection, but everything else offensively he brings is much needed. He's got good size and can be a SG/PG and make good passes. He drives and gets to the basket and gets fouled, then hits his FT's. I'm willing to take a chance on a reserve player like that and hope we can get him straightened out shooting wise.
I don't think the Knicks pick up his option at just under 4 mil. Can they resign him if they don't pick up his option.
CrushAlot wrote:I don't think the Knicks pick up his option at just under 4 mil. Can they resign him if they don't pick up his option.
No hes gone. I think they said hes going back to Russia anyway. Really its a waste to have him but if helps us lose--thats cool.
Finestrg wrote:H1AND1 wrote:callmened wrote:im all about keeping it real. this guy sucks and i doubt hell be in the NBA in a few yrs
I had to chuckle a bit when I saw an article or blog post that said the Knicks acquired a "sharpshooter" in Schved considering he has never shot over .400 in his entire NBA career.
He's a better shooter than that. Shumpert shot less than 40% total all 3 years in college and right around 30% from 3. Pablo Prigioni in the Spanish league the year before we got him, shot 40% overall and 27% from 3. Both these guys became better shooters in the NBA--I thought it became possibly the best aspect of each player's game while they were here in fact. In 2011-12 season in Russia combined, Shved shot 47.5% from the floor overall (238-501), 41.5% from 3 (80-193) and 79.4% at the line (112-141). Those numbers are more than respectable and indicate that he can shoot the ball. If we're gonna use Emmanuel Mudiay's numbers in China before he went down to say that he definitively can't shoot, then let's use these numbers for Shved to say that maybe he can get better. I'm not trying to make Shved out to be Michael Jordan but let's give him a chance. Decent international shooting numbers before the NBA, a clean enough looking stroke and release (something Shumpert had too--when you have this, there's legit hope to fix a shot and raise a shooting %), a slew of intangibles at 6'6" and more than a handful of good performances in the NBA under his belt thusfar. Let's see what he can do. If Fisher doesn't play this kid big mins the rest of the way, it's a fail.
Ok sure I am not advocating benching the dude but why are his numbers from the Russian league a better indicator of what he is capable of than, you know, his three seasons worth of numbers from the NBA?
The other examples pretty much right away were capable shooters. Schved's had three seasons, no improvement.
