Why would Butler or Kawhi Leonard sign anything other than a one year deal??..Spurs isn't getting younger and Bulls isn't getting any healthier...Goes for all RFA's...Any rules against that??
holfresh wrote:Why would Butler or Kawhi Leonard sign anything other than a one year deal??..Spurs isn't getting younger and Bulls isn't getting any healthier...Goes for all RFA's...Any rules against that??
HMM more like a 5 year deal with a two year opt out. LBJ can afford to take a 1 year deal-- agents would never leave XX mm on the table--think about it.
A Shved/Butler backcourt would be so ridiculously good it would be ridiculous.
Gallo off the bench
BRIGGS wrote:holfresh wrote:Why would Butler or Kawhi Leonard sign anything other than a one year deal??..Spurs isn't getting younger and Bulls isn't getting any healthier...Goes for all RFA's...Any rules against that??
HMM more like a 5 year deal with a two year opt out. LBJ can afford to take a 1 year deal-- agents would never leave XX mm on the table--think about it.
Someone will correct this - but I don't believe you can do a five year with opt out after just one or two years- I believe its just the last year that can be the opt out- so I would think any RFA is looking at either just a one year QA or a 2 year with last year player option.
I do think some will prefer to take the safer money (4 or 5 years) rather than risk it, but this could make it harder for us to compete for talent this off season.
BRIGGS wrote:holfresh wrote:Why would Butler or Kawhi Leonard sign anything other than a one year deal??..Spurs isn't getting younger and Bulls isn't getting any healthier...Goes for all RFA's...Any rules against that??
HMM more like a 5 year deal with a two year opt out. LBJ can afford to take a 1 year deal-- agents would never leave XX mm on the table--think about it.
Under the current cap, the max for Bultler and Leonard is 16.5 per...Under the TV new deal, the max will be 22.5 per...So you are talking about leaving 30 mil on the table by taking a 5 year deal this offseason..Not sure I have ever seems a two year opt out...But anything beyond a one year deal is risky because of injury or player's development..
Courtesy of Yellowboy90:
phus March 11, 2015 at 3:40 pmThere will be no salary cap smoothing.
For the Knicks, this means:
1. With a $66 million salary cap next season, and $32 million in committed salary, the Knicks will have $34 million to use this summer. The max bid for a 10+ veteran will be $23.1 million (unless the player is already making more than that) plus 4.5% raise/year. The max bid for a 7-9 veteran will be $19.8 million plus 4.5% raise/year. The max bid for 1-6 year player will be $16.5 million plus 4.5% raise/year. Even if the Knicks wanted to, they could not bring in two max players (except for RFAs with less than 6 years experience).
2. With a $90 million salary cap in 2016, the max bid for a 10+ veteran will be $31.5 million plus 4.5% raise/year. The max bid for a 7-9 veteran (Kevin Durant, etc.) will be $27 million plus 4.5% raise/year. The max bid for a 1-6 player will be $22.5 million plus 4.5% raise/year.
3. Just about every team will have enough cap room to offer Kevin Durant a max package during the summer of 2016.
franco12 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:holfresh wrote:Why would Butler or Kawhi Leonard sign anything other than a one year deal??..Spurs isn't getting younger and Bulls isn't getting any healthier...Goes for all RFA's...Any rules against that??
HMM more like a 5 year deal with a two year opt out. LBJ can afford to take a 1 year deal-- agents would never leave XX mm on the table--think about it.
Someone will correct this - but I don't believe you can do a five year with opt out after just one or two years- I believe its just the last year that can be the opt out- so I would think any RFA is looking at either just a one year QA or a 2 year with last year player option.
I do think some will prefer to take the safer money (4 or 5 years) rather than risk it, but this could make it harder for us to compete for talent this off season.
Great question but I thought someone notable did just that last year?
gunsnewing wrote:A Shved/Butler backcourt would be so ridiculously good it would be ridiculous.Gallo off the bench
Your post about something being so ridiculously good that it would be ridiculous is so ridiculously redundant that it is ridiculous. Ridiculously speaking that is.
earthmansurfer wrote:franco12 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:holfresh wrote:Why would Butler or Kawhi Leonard sign anything other than a one year deal??..Spurs isn't getting younger and Bulls isn't getting any healthier...Goes for all RFA's...Any rules against that??
HMM more like a 5 year deal with a two year opt out. LBJ can afford to take a 1 year deal-- agents would never leave XX mm on the table--think about it.
Someone will correct this - but I don't believe you can do a five year with opt out after just one or two years- I believe its just the last year that can be the opt out- so I would think any RFA is looking at either just a one year QA or a 2 year with last year player option.
I do think some will prefer to take the safer money (4 or 5 years) rather than risk it, but this could make it harder for us to compete for talent this off season.
Great question but I thought someone notable did just that last year?
LeBron, no? He took a two year deal with an opt out knowing he would max out with the new TV money coming.
holfresh wrote:BRIGGS wrote:holfresh wrote:Why would Butler or Kawhi Leonard sign anything other than a one year deal??..Spurs isn't getting younger and Bulls isn't getting any healthier...Goes for all RFA's...Any rules against that??
HMM more like a 5 year deal with a two year opt out. LBJ can afford to take a 1 year deal-- agents would never leave XX mm on the table--think about it.
Under the current cap, the max for Bultler and Leonard is 16.5 per...Under the TV new deal, the max will be 22.5 per...So you are talking about leaving 30 mil on the table by taking a 5 year deal this offseason..Not sure I have ever seems a two year opt out...But anything beyond a one year deal is risky because of injury or player's development..
Courtesy of Yellowboy90:
phus March 11, 2015 at 3:40 pmThere will be no salary cap smoothing.
For the Knicks, this means:
1. With a $66 million salary cap next season, and $32 million in committed salary, the Knicks will have $34 million to use this summer. The max bid for a 10+ veteran will be $23.1 million (unless the player is already making more than that) plus 4.5% raise/year. The max bid for a 7-9 veteran will be $19.8 million plus 4.5% raise/year. The max bid for 1-6 year player will be $16.5 million plus 4.5% raise/year. Even if the Knicks wanted to, they could not bring in two max players (except for RFAs with less than 6 years experience).
2. With a $90 million salary cap in 2016, the max bid for a 10+ veteran will be $31.5 million plus 4.5% raise/year. The max bid for a 7-9 veteran (Kevin Durant, etc.) will be $27 million plus 4.5% raise/year. The max bid for a 1-6 player will be $22.5 million plus 4.5% raise/year.
3. Just about every team will have enough cap room to offer Kevin Durant a max package during the summer of 2016.
If someone offered you a 5 year 86mm contract with an opt option--who in funkytown would turn that down? Would you risk taking a on a year deal where anything can happen--sounds like financial linsanity. Even Lebron with his 2 year deal is taking a risk--but he can afford to do it.
BRIGGS wrote:holfresh wrote:BRIGGS wrote:holfresh wrote:Why would Butler or Kawhi Leonard sign anything other than a one year deal??..Spurs isn't getting younger and Bulls isn't getting any healthier...Goes for all RFA's...Any rules against that??
HMM more like a 5 year deal with a two year opt out. LBJ can afford to take a 1 year deal-- agents would never leave XX mm on the table--think about it.
Under the current cap, the max for Bultler and Leonard is 16.5 per...Under the TV new deal, the max will be 22.5 per...So you are talking about leaving 30 mil on the table by taking a 5 year deal this offseason..Not sure I have ever seems a two year opt out...But anything beyond a one year deal is risky because of injury or player's development..
Courtesy of Yellowboy90:
phus March 11, 2015 at 3:40 pmThere will be no salary cap smoothing.
For the Knicks, this means:
1. With a $66 million salary cap next season, and $32 million in committed salary, the Knicks will have $34 million to use this summer. The max bid for a 10+ veteran will be $23.1 million (unless the player is already making more than that) plus 4.5% raise/year. The max bid for a 7-9 veteran will be $19.8 million plus 4.5% raise/year. The max bid for 1-6 year player will be $16.5 million plus 4.5% raise/year. Even if the Knicks wanted to, they could not bring in two max players (except for RFAs with less than 6 years experience).
2. With a $90 million salary cap in 2016, the max bid for a 10+ veteran will be $31.5 million plus 4.5% raise/year. The max bid for a 7-9 veteran (Kevin Durant, etc.) will be $27 million plus 4.5% raise/year. The max bid for a 1-6 player will be $22.5 million plus 4.5% raise/year.
3. Just about every team will have enough cap room to offer Kevin Durant a max package during the summer of 2016.
If someone offered you a 5 year 86mm contract with an opt option--who in funkytown would turn that down? Would you risk taking a on a year deal where anything can happen--sounds like financial linsanity. Even Lebron with his 2 year deal is taking a risk--but he can afford to do it.
LeBron & his team were in a position with enough money & other revenue to take the risk.
You're right that a lot of other players (Butler) that are about to get their first big pay check aren't in the same position to take a risk.
But with the cap going up, I don't see how every team doesn't match an offer to a player they control unless they don't feel they are part of their long term future- in which case, that player probably stinks.
BRIGGS wrote:holfresh wrote:BRIGGS wrote:holfresh wrote:Why would Butler or Kawhi Leonard sign anything other than a one year deal??..Spurs isn't getting younger and Bulls isn't getting any healthier...Goes for all RFA's...Any rules against that??
HMM more like a 5 year deal with a two year opt out. LBJ can afford to take a 1 year deal-- agents would never leave XX mm on the table--think about it.
Under the current cap, the max for Bultler and Leonard is 16.5 per...Under the TV new deal, the max will be 22.5 per...So you are talking about leaving 30 mil on the table by taking a 5 year deal this offseason..Not sure I have ever seems a two year opt out...But anything beyond a one year deal is risky because of injury or player's development..
Courtesy of Yellowboy90:
phus March 11, 2015 at 3:40 pmThere will be no salary cap smoothing.
For the Knicks, this means:
1. With a $66 million salary cap next season, and $32 million in committed salary, the Knicks will have $34 million to use this summer. The max bid for a 10+ veteran will be $23.1 million (unless the player is already making more than that) plus 4.5% raise/year. The max bid for a 7-9 veteran will be $19.8 million plus 4.5% raise/year. The max bid for 1-6 year player will be $16.5 million plus 4.5% raise/year. Even if the Knicks wanted to, they could not bring in two max players (except for RFAs with less than 6 years experience).
2. With a $90 million salary cap in 2016, the max bid for a 10+ veteran will be $31.5 million plus 4.5% raise/year. The max bid for a 7-9 veteran (Kevin Durant, etc.) will be $27 million plus 4.5% raise/year. The max bid for a 1-6 player will be $22.5 million plus 4.5% raise/year.
3. Just about every team will have enough cap room to offer Kevin Durant a max package during the summer of 2016.
If someone offered you a 5 year 86mm contract with an opt option--who in funkytown would turn that down? Would you risk taking a on a year deal where anything can happen--sounds like financial linsanity. Even Lebron with his 2 year deal is taking a risk--but he can afford to do it.
I won't sign that 5 year deal now leaving potentially 30 mil on the table, that's crazy..I'll fire my agent...Brian Windhorst agrees...3:30 sec into the video:
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/124618...
Really, the situation is the same as before. I'm sure most were planning the off season w/o any smoothing of the cap
