Knicks · Enes Kanter is becoming my number 1 free agent (page 12)
Nalod wrote:What is your take on Kanter? he is not at the same pace was last year, minutes are down. Is this a Billy Donovan thing?
Not a "gotcha" thread, just in discussion. Change of coach is a huge deal for some players.
Well if you like PFs that lead the league in rebounds per minute played and shoot 56% than he's a good player. I didnt see any poor defense from him yesterday. Why did they give him 14mm when they have Ibaka Durant and two centers---well thats an expensive 6th man.
BRIGGS wrote:Nalod wrote:What is your take on Kanter? he is not at the same pace was last year, minutes are down. Is this a Billy Donovan thing?
Not a "gotcha" thread, just in discussion. Change of coach is a huge deal for some players.Well if you like PFs that lead the league in rebounds per minute played and shoot 56% than he's a good player. I didnt see any poor defense from him yesterday. Why did they give him 14mm when they have Ibaka Durant and two centers---well thats an expensive 6th man.
Was reading some stats and analysis on a popular Thunder board and the guy was basically saying when Kanter is on the floor OKC's defense is all world horrible. I don't watch the Thunder all that much but these are guys who watch every game saying this. I would take their word for it over the observations from one game against the Knicks.
crzymdups wrote:martin wrote:Didn't want to spend money/find role for Harden? CHECKDidn't want to spend money/find role for Reggie Jackson? CHECK
Didn't want to wait on Jeremy Lamb? CHECK
Didn't want to wait on Lance Thomas? CHECK
Couldn't wait to lock down Enes Kanter to a 4 year max deal? CHECK
Yeeesh. Yeah, you make the right moves around the core of Durant / Westbrook / Ibaka... it should be easy.
One thing - Westbrook and Durant both seem a little prickly. Harden had a hard time getting along with them, supposedly Reggie Jackson did, too.
I imagine they are sort of perfectionists and super hard workers and they are hard on guys who don't meet their standards.
Harden and Jackson leaving may not be all on the GM. It's pretty widely acknowledged that Reggie was forced out by Westbrook and co. Lance was part of that trade.
Well, all I know is that the GM is considered one of the top in the game and has total control over who he trades and what he gets back in those trades. I can understand being part of an organization that has some financial restrictions but this year they are over the cap.... the one year they decide to go over the cap by signing a big contract and it could be to sign maybe the worst player they had a chance to extend. Kanter vs Jackson vs Harden.
H1AND1 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Nalod wrote:What is your take on Kanter? he is not at the same pace was last year, minutes are down. Is this a Billy Donovan thing?
Not a "gotcha" thread, just in discussion. Change of coach is a huge deal for some players.Well if you like PFs that lead the league in rebounds per minute played and shoot 56% than he's a good player. I didnt see any poor defense from him yesterday. Why did they give him 14mm when they have Ibaka Durant and two centers---well thats an expensive 6th man.
Was reading some stats and analysis on a popular Thunder board and the guy was basically saying when Kanter is on the floor OKC's defense is all world horrible. I don't watch the Thunder all that much but these are guys who watch every game saying this. I would take their word for it over the observations from one game against the Knicks.
The guy is avg a double double on a 34-13 team shooting 56%?
BRIGGS wrote:H1AND1 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Nalod wrote:What is your take on Kanter? he is not at the same pace was last year, minutes are down. Is this a Billy Donovan thing?
Not a "gotcha" thread, just in discussion. Change of coach is a huge deal for some players.Well if you like PFs that lead the league in rebounds per minute played and shoot 56% than he's a good player. I didnt see any poor defense from him yesterday. Why did they give him 14mm when they have Ibaka Durant and two centers---well thats an expensive 6th man.
Was reading some stats and analysis on a popular Thunder board and the guy was basically saying when Kanter is on the floor OKC's defense is all world horrible. I don't watch the Thunder all that much but these are guys who watch every game saying this. I would take their word for it over the observations from one game against the Knicks.
The guy is avg a double double on a 34-13 team shooting 56%?
He's not though, right? 11 and 7? For $16.5M. Remember when you went off on Rolo, who is making $13M and doing it against starters?
martin wrote:BRIGGS wrote:H1AND1 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Nalod wrote:What is your take on Kanter? he is not at the same pace was last year, minutes are down. Is this a Billy Donovan thing?
Not a "gotcha" thread, just in discussion. Change of coach is a huge deal for some players.Well if you like PFs that lead the league in rebounds per minute played and shoot 56% than he's a good player. I didnt see any poor defense from him yesterday. Why did they give him 14mm when they have Ibaka Durant and two centers---well thats an expensive 6th man.
Was reading some stats and analysis on a popular Thunder board and the guy was basically saying when Kanter is on the floor OKC's defense is all world horrible. I don't watch the Thunder all that much but these are guys who watch every game saying this. I would take their word for it over the observations from one game against the Knicks.
The guy is avg a double double on a 34-13 team shooting 56%?
He's not though, right? 11 and 7? For $16.5M. Remember when you went off on Rolo, who is making $13M and doing it against starters?
Id view Kanter as a 4 Lopez a 5. Different players.
BRIGGS wrote:H1AND1 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Nalod wrote:What is your take on Kanter? he is not at the same pace was last year, minutes are down. Is this a Billy Donovan thing?
Not a "gotcha" thread, just in discussion. Change of coach is a huge deal for some players.Well if you like PFs that lead the league in rebounds per minute played and shoot 56% than he's a good player. I didnt see any poor defense from him yesterday. Why did they give him 14mm when they have Ibaka Durant and two centers---well thats an expensive 6th man.
Was reading some stats and analysis on a popular Thunder board and the guy was basically saying when Kanter is on the floor OKC's defense is all world horrible. I don't watch the Thunder all that much but these are guys who watch every game saying this. I would take their word for it over the observations from one game against the Knicks.
The guy is avg a double double on a 34-13 team shooting 56%?
I know I could be wrong about this, Briggs, but I'm thinking there's a reason Adams, a limited offensive player making a little more than $2M/yr is getting more playing time than Kanter, who is making $16M/yr.
Got twice as many minutes yesterday, by the way.
WaltLongmire wrote:BRIGGS wrote:H1AND1 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Nalod wrote:What is your take on Kanter? he is not at the same pace was last year, minutes are down. Is this a Billy Donovan thing?
Not a "gotcha" thread, just in discussion. Change of coach is a huge deal for some players.Well if you like PFs that lead the league in rebounds per minute played and shoot 56% than he's a good player. I didnt see any poor defense from him yesterday. Why did they give him 14mm when they have Ibaka Durant and two centers---well thats an expensive 6th man.
Was reading some stats and analysis on a popular Thunder board and the guy was basically saying when Kanter is on the floor OKC's defense is all world horrible. I don't watch the Thunder all that much but these are guys who watch every game saying this. I would take their word for it over the observations from one game against the Knicks.
The guy is avg a double double on a 34-13 team shooting 56%?
I know I could be wrong about this, Briggs, but I'm thinking there's a reason Adams, a limited offensive player making a little more than $2M/yr is getting more playing time than Kanter, who is making $16M/yr.Got twice as many minutes yesterday, by the way.
The reason is Kanter couldn't guard Yi Jianlian's chair
WaltLongmire wrote:BRIGGS wrote:H1AND1 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Nalod wrote:What is your take on Kanter? he is not at the same pace was last year, minutes are down. Is this a Billy Donovan thing?
Not a "gotcha" thread, just in discussion. Change of coach is a huge deal for some players.Well if you like PFs that lead the league in rebounds per minute played and shoot 56% than he's a good player. I didnt see any poor defense from him yesterday. Why did they give him 14mm when they have Ibaka Durant and two centers---well thats an expensive 6th man.
Was reading some stats and analysis on a popular Thunder board and the guy was basically saying when Kanter is on the floor OKC's defense is all world horrible. I don't watch the Thunder all that much but these are guys who watch every game saying this. I would take their word for it over the observations from one game against the Knicks.
The guy is avg a double double on a 34-13 team shooting 56%?
I know I could be wrong about this, Briggs, but I'm thinking there's a reason Adams, a limited offensive player making a little more than $2M/yr is getting more playing time than Kanter, who is making $16M/yr.Got twice as many minutes yesterday, by the way.
Yeah me too---1 plays the 5 the other plays the 4.
BRIGGS wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:BRIGGS wrote:H1AND1 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Nalod wrote:What is your take on Kanter? he is not at the same pace was last year, minutes are down. Is this a Billy Donovan thing?
Not a "gotcha" thread, just in discussion. Change of coach is a huge deal for some players.Well if you like PFs that lead the league in rebounds per minute played and shoot 56% than he's a good player. I didnt see any poor defense from him yesterday. Why did they give him 14mm when they have Ibaka Durant and two centers---well thats an expensive 6th man.
Was reading some stats and analysis on a popular Thunder board and the guy was basically saying when Kanter is on the floor OKC's defense is all world horrible. I don't watch the Thunder all that much but these are guys who watch every game saying this. I would take their word for it over the observations from one game against the Knicks.
The guy is avg a double double on a 34-13 team shooting 56%?
I know I could be wrong about this, Briggs, but I'm thinking there's a reason Adams, a limited offensive player making a little more than $2M/yr is getting more playing time than Kanter, who is making $16M/yr.Got twice as many minutes yesterday, by the way.
Yeah me too---1 plays the 5 the other plays the 4.
You are grasping at straws man. When Adams play, Enes didn't and vice versa: http://popcornmachine.net/gf?date=201601...
was he a better signing than Rolo? of course not.
martin wrote:BRIGGS wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:BRIGGS wrote:H1AND1 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Nalod wrote:What is your take on Kanter? he is not at the same pace was last year, minutes are down. Is this a Billy Donovan thing?
Not a "gotcha" thread, just in discussion. Change of coach is a huge deal for some players.Well if you like PFs that lead the league in rebounds per minute played and shoot 56% than he's a good player. I didnt see any poor defense from him yesterday. Why did they give him 14mm when they have Ibaka Durant and two centers---well thats an expensive 6th man.
Was reading some stats and analysis on a popular Thunder board and the guy was basically saying when Kanter is on the floor OKC's defense is all world horrible. I don't watch the Thunder all that much but these are guys who watch every game saying this. I would take their word for it over the observations from one game against the Knicks.
The guy is avg a double double on a 34-13 team shooting 56%?
I know I could be wrong about this, Briggs, but I'm thinking there's a reason Adams, a limited offensive player making a little more than $2M/yr is getting more playing time than Kanter, who is making $16M/yr.Got twice as many minutes yesterday, by the way.
Yeah me too---1 plays the 5 the other plays the 4.
You are grasping at straws man. When Adams play, Enes didn't and vice versa: http://popcornmachine.net/gf?date=201601...
martin--Nick Collison is OKC's back up C Kanter is Ibaka's back up. And lets give Kanter some credit--the team hes on is now 34-14 he had 24-10 in 20 minutes tonight and they won by 3. The team Rolo is on is 22-25 and hes just as likely to do 3-7 and 4 rebounds as much as anything else.
BRIGGS wrote:martin wrote:BRIGGS wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:BRIGGS wrote:H1AND1 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Nalod wrote:What is your take on Kanter? he is not at the same pace was last year, minutes are down. Is this a Billy Donovan thing?
Not a "gotcha" thread, just in discussion. Change of coach is a huge deal for some players.Well if you like PFs that lead the league in rebounds per minute played and shoot 56% than he's a good player. I didnt see any poor defense from him yesterday. Why did they give him 14mm when they have Ibaka Durant and two centers---well thats an expensive 6th man.
Was reading some stats and analysis on a popular Thunder board and the guy was basically saying when Kanter is on the floor OKC's defense is all world horrible. I don't watch the Thunder all that much but these are guys who watch every game saying this. I would take their word for it over the observations from one game against the Knicks.
The guy is avg a double double on a 34-13 team shooting 56%?
I know I could be wrong about this, Briggs, but I'm thinking there's a reason Adams, a limited offensive player making a little more than $2M/yr is getting more playing time than Kanter, who is making $16M/yr.Got twice as many minutes yesterday, by the way.
Yeah me too---1 plays the 5 the other plays the 4.
You are grasping at straws man. When Adams play, Enes didn't and vice versa: http://popcornmachine.net/gf?date=201601...
martin--Nick Collison is OKC's back up C Kanter is Ibaka's back up. And lets give Kanter some credit--the team hes on is now 34-14 he had 24-10 in 20 minutes tonight and they won by 3. The team Rolo is on is 22-25 and hes just as likely to do 3-7 and 4 rebounds as much as anything else.
So what you are saying is that Kanter about as good as Cole?
BRIGGS wrote:H1AND1 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Nalod wrote:What is your take on Kanter? he is not at the same pace was last year, minutes are down. Is this a Billy Donovan thing?
Not a "gotcha" thread, just in discussion. Change of coach is a huge deal for some players.Well if you like PFs that lead the league in rebounds per minute played and shoot 56% than he's a good player. I didnt see any poor defense from him yesterday. Why did they give him 14mm when they have Ibaka Durant and two centers---well thats an expensive 6th man.
Was reading some stats and analysis on a popular Thunder board and the guy was basically saying when Kanter is on the floor OKC's defense is all world horrible. I don't watch the Thunder all that much but these are guys who watch every game saying this. I would take their word for it over the observations from one game against the Knicks.
The guy is avg a double double on a 34-13 team shooting 56%?
Are you going by per 36 min? Like Martin was saying - Cole's production is about as impressive per 36 and he's on a top team too.
Thats a lot of money for a bench player. Enes had a resurgence last year after the trade so it was a positive and it got him paid.
Nalod wrote:Kanter plays 20 min. Last year he played more. Im asking briggs to defend the statement but perhaps as a player he followed he could tell us whats going on. Injury? condition? New coach? Slow to adapt to a new system? Post contract laziness?Thats a lot of money for a bench player. Enes had a resurgence last year after the trade so it was a positive and it got him paid.
Nalod do two things. A take a look at Kanters PER and production per minute. I'm surprised at some of these answers. Serge I aka was hurt last year and kanter is his primary back up he got his money for a reason same guy who drafted harden westbrook Durant Jackson etched made the decision to trade for and pay him Do you think roll gives okc a better player. Not close
I'd MUCH rather have Rolo than Kanter. Period full stop.
H1AND1 wrote:Briggs seems you've got a bit of tunnel vision here. Kanter's terrible defense wipes away his offensive contributions. The fact that he is on a winning team means absolutely nothing. So every player on an elite team is great? Come on that makes no sense.I'd MUCH rather have Rolo than Kanter. Period full stop.
Wed have a better record with Kanter than Rolo. It wouldve forced KP to the 5-we d have much better rebounding a second 20 point scorer who can legitimately spread the floor. Rolo has had like 20 bad games atleast--no way Kanter wouldve done that. Nope wd be better with Kanter than Rolo--I dont think wed be any different with monroe. Lets not make Rolo out to Patrick Ewing--they guy has played a ton of bad games. Kanter was THE reason why OKC won that game last night if you watched the 1st half--he kept them in that game. Kanter really is a better version of what D Williams does for us--that his role for OKC. His role year wouldve been starting PF and my guess is he would avg 21-12 per 35 minutes. With KP at C we have a rim protector-as long as every one does their job we wouldve been good. At the end of the day OKC is 34-13 and Kanter is one of their main guys.
BRIGGS wrote:H1AND1 wrote:Briggs seems you've got a bit of tunnel vision here. Kanter's terrible defense wipes away his offensive contributions. The fact that he is on a winning team means absolutely nothing. So every player on an elite team is great? Come on that makes no sense.I'd MUCH rather have Rolo than Kanter. Period full stop.
Wed have a better record with Kanter than Rolo. It wouldve forced KP to the 5-we d have much better rebounding a second 20 point scorer who can legitimately spread the floor. Rolo has had like 20 bad games atleast--no way Kanter wouldve done that. Nope wd be better with Kanter than Rolo--I dont think wed be any different with monroe. Lets not make Rolo out to Patrick Ewing--they guy has played a ton of bad games. Kanter was THE reason why OKC won that game last night if you watched the 1st half--he kept them in that game. Kanter really is a better version of what D Williams does for us--that his role for OKC. His role year wouldve been starting PF and my guess is he would avg 21-12 per 35 minutes. With KP at C we have a rim protector-as long as every one does their job we wouldve been good. At the end of the day OKC is 34-13 and Kanter is one of their main guys.
so now we're playing the "what-if" game? this is tpyical briggs, can't admit when he's wrong. so now all the sudden kanter is playing 35mpg here when he's only playing 20mpg for the thunder? steven adams is starting in front kanter, i mean that's all you pretty much need to know.
nyk4ever wrote:BRIGGS wrote:H1AND1 wrote:Briggs seems you've got a bit of tunnel vision here. Kanter's terrible defense wipes away his offensive contributions. The fact that he is on a winning team means absolutely nothing. So every player on an elite team is great? Come on that makes no sense.I'd MUCH rather have Rolo than Kanter. Period full stop.
Wed have a better record with Kanter than Rolo. It wouldve forced KP to the 5-we d have much better rebounding a second 20 point scorer who can legitimately spread the floor. Rolo has had like 20 bad games atleast--no way Kanter wouldve done that. Nope wd be better with Kanter than Rolo--I dont think wed be any different with monroe. Lets not make Rolo out to Patrick Ewing--they guy has played a ton of bad games. Kanter was THE reason why OKC won that game last night if you watched the 1st half--he kept them in that game. Kanter really is a better version of what D Williams does for us--that his role for OKC. His role year wouldve been starting PF and my guess is he would avg 21-12 per 35 minutes. With KP at C we have a rim protector-as long as every one does their job we wouldve been good. At the end of the day OKC is 34-13 and Kanter is one of their main guys.
so now we're playing the "what-if" game? this is tpyical briggs, can't admit when he's wrong. so now all the sudden kanter is playing 35mpg here when he's only playing 20mpg for the thunder? steven adams is starting in front kanter, i mean that's all you pretty much need to know.
I didnt bring this up?
I think the answer to this thread however is
one team is 35-13 the other is 22-25.
BRIGGS wrote:Nalod wrote:Kanter plays 20 min. Last year he played more. Im asking briggs to defend the statement but perhaps as a player he followed he could tell us whats going on. Injury? condition? New coach? Slow to adapt to a new system? Post contract laziness?Thats a lot of money for a bench player. Enes had a resurgence last year after the trade so it was a positive and it got him paid.
Nalod do two things. A take a look at Kanters PER and production per minute. I'm surprised at some of these answers. Serge I aka was hurt last year and kanter is his primary back up he got his money for a reason same guy who drafted harden westbrook Durant Jackson etched made the decision to trade for and pay him Do you think roll gives okc a better player. Not close
You're only getting a few more points per 36 from Kanter career-wise than Lopez career-wise (and Lopez has clearly returned to or surpassed his career production). You're right Lopez struggled in the beginning but what matters is moving forward since we weren't accomplishing anything significant post-season this year anyway. Lopez seems to have stabilized (this month) as a 15 point per 36 player. He's also generating about 2 1/2 more points per 36 from assists than Kanter does. The overall difference in offensive production per 36 is pretty small. And obviously the defensive difference is huge. Kanter also takes up $4 mil per year more cap space than Lopez.