Knicks · Alan Hahn was trying to lay the foundation yesterday for the Knicks trading the overall pick #1 for KD (page 5)

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:If OKC were willing to trade a former MVP and multiple scoring champion, you have to wonder what they know that we don't? Sure as hell wouldn't trust the Knicks medical staff to make that determination. Westbrook might be taking it to another level but you need more than one star to win. They have plenty of bigs, they have the best PG in the game right now. As much as it would be great to have a healthy Durant playing in NY, I would be mighty suspicious if OKC was willing to trade Durant for the number one pick, if we got it.

Without question--this is a franchise that has a lot in place right now even without Durant. They have already proven they will deal stars but this is a case where we want to steer clear of. Its very much like acquiring Carmelo. If Melo anted to play here bad enough--Wilson Chandler Gallinari Mosgov and 3 number 1 picks would have stayed here and we wouldnt be in this mess. We trade away picks like a drunk downing whiskey shots. We don't even know if Melo will be healthy or can sustain health. We do not have 1 frontocurt player under contract next year we dont have a PG under contract next year--our 2nd biggest contract belongs to a player who is without a doubt done or very close to done. To take a step further the team we have now--as is--lost to Minnesota last night on the B-B while using 7 players at home. Any NBA team cant be another at home--thats proven. We had a great night SA went up +13 and stopped playing. But when we take it down to a realistic level--this is a skeleton tam with its star played coming off major league knee surgery. We have o OTHER than our high draft pick and cap space.

We gave up a lot to get Melo but mgmt also made some bad decisions when it came to surrounding him with talent. Like giving JR another deal, the first round pick for Bargs, bringing back Felton.

Tyson / Billups Amnesty / TD Smooth-Starter?

I don't believe there was much of a market for Tyson after the last couple of seasons, but yeah the Billups amnesty hurt us as well.

I mean two simple but idiotic moves above all else. Just think where we are if
1) We Amnesty Amare instead of Billups. Billups had 1 year left on a TO and WE PICKED UP THAT OPTION. So we picked up a team option for $15mm or whatever fatness it was, then used the amnesty on him. Can you give an example of greater idiocy?
2) No Bargs trade

People mistaken me for Melo's biggest fan. I just dont quite get when you look at the moves this org has made last few years how Melo jumps out as the big mistake.

I have been saying this forever.

Those two moves were the worst. Now people are seeing how bad not saving that amnesty for Amare was. In the beginning, people just laughed at me for stating it.

The Bargs move ... just another perfect example of how important it is to at least know about what the advanced stats say.

The Melo trade was not a bad one (aside from Mozgov who broke my heart), it was the follow up moves and his stupid new contract that were/are horrible.

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:If OKC were willing to trade a former MVP and multiple scoring champion, you have to wonder what they know that we don't? Sure as hell wouldn't trust the Knicks medical staff to make that determination. Westbrook might be taking it to another level but you need more than one star to win. They have plenty of bigs, they have the best PG in the game right now. As much as it would be great to have a healthy Durant playing in NY, I would be mighty suspicious if OKC was willing to trade Durant for the number one pick, if we got it.

Without question--this is a franchise that has a lot in place right now even without Durant. They have already proven they will deal stars but this is a case where we want to steer clear of. Its very much like acquiring Carmelo. If Melo anted to play here bad enough--Wilson Chandler Gallinari Mosgov and 3 number 1 picks would have stayed here and we wouldnt be in this mess. We trade away picks like a drunk downing whiskey shots. We don't even know if Melo will be healthy or can sustain health. We do not have 1 frontocurt player under contract next year we dont have a PG under contract next year--our 2nd biggest contract belongs to a player who is without a doubt done or very close to done. To take a step further the team we have now--as is--lost to Minnesota last night on the B-B while using 7 players at home. Any NBA team cant be another at home--thats proven. We had a great night SA went up +13 and stopped playing. But when we take it down to a realistic level--this is a skeleton tam with its star played coming off major league knee surgery. We have o OTHER than our high draft pick and cap space.

We gave up a lot to get Melo but mgmt also made some bad decisions when it came to surrounding him with talent. Like giving JR another deal, the first round pick for Bargs, bringing back Felton.

Tyson / Billups Amnesty / TD Smooth-Starter?

I don't believe there was much of a market for Tyson after the last couple of seasons, but yeah the Billups amnesty hurt us as well.

I mean two simple but idiotic moves above all else. Just think where we are if
1) We Amnesty Amare instead of Billups. Billups had 1 year left on a TO and WE PICKED UP THAT OPTION. So we picked up a team option for $15mm or whatever fatness it was, then used the amnesty on him. Can you give an example of greater idiocy?
2) No Bargs trade

People mistaken me for Melo's biggest fan. I just dont quite get when you look at the moves this org has made last few years how Melo jumps out as the big mistake.

I didnt have any problem with the players we gave up for Bargs, where are they now? It was the first round pick. Seeing how Bargs couldn't stay healthy that can be seen as a bad move as well.

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:If OKC were willing to trade a former MVP and multiple scoring champion, you have to wonder what they know that we don't? Sure as hell wouldn't trust the Knicks medical staff to make that determination. Westbrook might be taking it to another level but you need more than one star to win. They have plenty of bigs, they have the best PG in the game right now. As much as it would be great to have a healthy Durant playing in NY, I would be mighty suspicious if OKC was willing to trade Durant for the number one pick, if we got it.

Without question--this is a franchise that has a lot in place right now even without Durant. They have already proven they will deal stars but this is a case where we want to steer clear of. Its very much like acquiring Carmelo. If Melo anted to play here bad enough--Wilson Chandler Gallinari Mosgov and 3 number 1 picks would have stayed here and we wouldnt be in this mess. We trade away picks like a drunk downing whiskey shots. We don't even know if Melo will be healthy or can sustain health. We do not have 1 frontocurt player under contract next year we dont have a PG under contract next year--our 2nd biggest contract belongs to a player who is without a doubt done or very close to done. To take a step further the team we have now--as is--lost to Minnesota last night on the B-B while using 7 players at home. Any NBA team cant be another at home--thats proven. We had a great night SA went up +13 and stopped playing. But when we take it down to a realistic level--this is a skeleton tam with its star played coming off major league knee surgery. We have o OTHER than our high draft pick and cap space.

We gave up a lot to get Melo but mgmt also made some bad decisions when it came to surrounding him with talent. Like giving JR another deal, the first round pick for Bargs, bringing back Felton.

Tyson / Billups Amnesty / TD Smooth-Starter?

I don't believe there was much of a market for Tyson after the last couple of seasons, but yeah the Billups amnesty hurt us as well.

I was talking about signing tyson back then.

My bad. Tyson was worth every penny when he first got here, but he was another cap killing player who couldn't stay healthy. By the time Tyson left he looked like a shell of the player he was when he first got here, and mailed it in too many times. Yes, that can be seen as another move that didnt pay off.

He cost us the amnesty, so not only did we offer him a contract when nobody else would pay him, not even his own team that he won a ring with, but we give up our only shot at getting rid of amare's salbatross.

plain awful

holfresh wrote:Question is, If Durant is available and they are looking for a first round pick or the #1 pick..Are they doing another rebuild??..If so, Is Westbrook also available??

they get rid of everyone but Kanter who is the future Hakeem

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:If OKC were willing to trade a former MVP and multiple scoring champion, you have to wonder what they know that we don't? Sure as hell wouldn't trust the Knicks medical staff to make that determination. Westbrook might be taking it to another level but you need more than one star to win. They have plenty of bigs, they have the best PG in the game right now. As much as it would be great to have a healthy Durant playing in NY, I would be mighty suspicious if OKC was willing to trade Durant for the number one pick, if we got it.

Without question--this is a franchise that has a lot in place right now even without Durant. They have already proven they will deal stars but this is a case where we want to steer clear of. Its very much like acquiring Carmelo. If Melo anted to play here bad enough--Wilson Chandler Gallinari Mosgov and 3 number 1 picks would have stayed here and we wouldnt be in this mess. We trade away picks like a drunk downing whiskey shots. We don't even know if Melo will be healthy or can sustain health. We do not have 1 frontocurt player under contract next year we dont have a PG under contract next year--our 2nd biggest contract belongs to a player who is without a doubt done or very close to done. To take a step further the team we have now--as is--lost to Minnesota last night on the B-B while using 7 players at home. Any NBA team cant be another at home--thats proven. We had a great night SA went up +13 and stopped playing. But when we take it down to a realistic level--this is a skeleton tam with its star played coming off major league knee surgery. We have o OTHER than our high draft pick and cap space.

We gave up a lot to get Melo but mgmt also made some bad decisions when it came to surrounding him with talent. Like giving JR another deal, the first round pick for Bargs, bringing back Felton.

Tyson / Billups Amnesty / TD Smooth-Starter?

I don't believe there was much of a market for Tyson after the last couple of seasons, but yeah the Billups amnesty hurt us as well.

I mean two simple but idiotic moves above all else. Just think where we are if
1) We Amnesty Amare instead of Billups. Billups had 1 year left on a TO and WE PICKED UP THAT OPTION. So we picked up a team option for $15mm or whatever fatness it was, then used the amnesty on him. Can you give an example of greater idiocy?
2) No Bargs trade

People mistaken me for Melo's biggest fan. I just dont quite get when you look at the moves this org has made last few years how Melo jumps out as the big mistake.

I didnt have any problem with the players we gave up for Bargs, where are they now? It was the first round pick. Seeing how Bargs couldn't stay healthy that can be seen as a bad move as well.

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:If OKC were willing to trade a former MVP and multiple scoring champion, you have to wonder what they know that we don't? Sure as hell wouldn't trust the Knicks medical staff to make that determination. Westbrook might be taking it to another level but you need more than one star to win. They have plenty of bigs, they have the best PG in the game right now. As much as it would be great to have a healthy Durant playing in NY, I would be mighty suspicious if OKC was willing to trade Durant for the number one pick, if we got it.

Without question--this is a franchise that has a lot in place right now even without Durant. They have already proven they will deal stars but this is a case where we want to steer clear of. Its very much like acquiring Carmelo. If Melo anted to play here bad enough--Wilson Chandler Gallinari Mosgov and 3 number 1 picks would have stayed here and we wouldnt be in this mess. We trade away picks like a drunk downing whiskey shots. We don't even know if Melo will be healthy or can sustain health. We do not have 1 frontocurt player under contract next year we dont have a PG under contract next year--our 2nd biggest contract belongs to a player who is without a doubt done or very close to done. To take a step further the team we have now--as is--lost to Minnesota last night on the B-B while using 7 players at home. Any NBA team cant be another at home--thats proven. We had a great night SA went up +13 and stopped playing. But when we take it down to a realistic level--this is a skeleton tam with its star played coming off major league knee surgery. We have o OTHER than our high draft pick and cap space.

We gave up a lot to get Melo but mgmt also made some bad decisions when it came to surrounding him with talent. Like giving JR another deal, the first round pick for Bargs, bringing back Felton.

Tyson / Billups Amnesty / TD Smooth-Starter?

I don't believe there was much of a market for Tyson after the last couple of seasons, but yeah the Billups amnesty hurt us as well.

I mean two simple but idiotic moves above all else. Just think where we are if
1) We Amnesty Amare instead of Billups. Billups had 1 year left on a TO and WE PICKED UP THAT OPTION. So we picked up a team option for $15mm or whatever fatness it was, then used the amnesty on him. Can you give an example of greater idiocy?
2) No Bargs trade

People mistaken me for Melo's biggest fan. I just dont quite get when you look at the moves this org has made last few years how Melo jumps out as the big mistake.

I didnt have any problem with the players we gave up for Bargs, where are they now? It was the first round pick. Seeing how Bargs couldn't stay healthy that can be seen as a bad move as well.

Again ... just like with Rondo. It has nothing to do with injuries. Bargs sucked when he wasn't injured.

BRIGGS wrote:This reminds me of Grant Hill and Orlando. And Orlando only was saved by getting that pick #1 the following year. Remember that when the Magic got Hill Mcrady and tried to get Duncan(although that failed) Hill signed a 7 yr max contract and was hurt before the 1st season started. The next season the Magic were in the lottery and got howard. You have to be VERy careful with injured players and max contracts. We need an infusion of youth. Let OKC struggle with their payroll and lets steal Kanter who is 22 and draft Towns. That combination would be the backbone for 10 years of winning and potentially winning very big.

While i prefer Monroe slightly over Kanter, i definitely agree with this thought process.

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:If OKC were willing to trade a former MVP and multiple scoring champion, you have to wonder what they know that we don't? Sure as hell wouldn't trust the Knicks medical staff to make that determination. Westbrook might be taking it to another level but you need more than one star to win. They have plenty of bigs, they have the best PG in the game right now. As much as it would be great to have a healthy Durant playing in NY, I would be mighty suspicious if OKC was willing to trade Durant for the number one pick, if we got it.

Without question--this is a franchise that has a lot in place right now even without Durant. They have already proven they will deal stars but this is a case where we want to steer clear of. Its very much like acquiring Carmelo. If Melo anted to play here bad enough--Wilson Chandler Gallinari Mosgov and 3 number 1 picks would have stayed here and we wouldnt be in this mess. We trade away picks like a drunk downing whiskey shots. We don't even know if Melo will be healthy or can sustain health. We do not have 1 frontocurt player under contract next year we dont have a PG under contract next year--our 2nd biggest contract belongs to a player who is without a doubt done or very close to done. To take a step further the team we have now--as is--lost to Minnesota last night on the B-B while using 7 players at home. Any NBA team cant be another at home--thats proven. We had a great night SA went up +13 and stopped playing. But when we take it down to a realistic level--this is a skeleton tam with its star played coming off major league knee surgery. We have o OTHER than our high draft pick and cap space.

We gave up a lot to get Melo but mgmt also made some bad decisions when it came to surrounding him with talent. Like giving JR another deal, the first round pick for Bargs, bringing back Felton.

Tyson / Billups Amnesty / TD Smooth-Starter?

I don't believe there was much of a market for Tyson after the last couple of seasons, but yeah the Billups amnesty hurt us as well.

I mean two simple but idiotic moves above all else. Just think where we are if
1) We Amnesty Amare instead of Billups. Billups had 1 year left on a TO and WE PICKED UP THAT OPTION. So we picked up a team option for $15mm or whatever fatness it was, then used the amnesty on him. Can you give an example of greater idiocy?
2) No Bargs trade

People mistaken me for Melo's biggest fan. I just dont quite get when you look at the moves this org has made last few years how Melo jumps out as the big mistake.

I didnt have any problem with the players we gave up for Bargs, where are they now? It was the first round pick. Seeing how Bargs couldn't stay healthy that can be seen as a bad move as well.

Again ... just like with Rondo. It has nothing to do with injuries. Bargs sucked when he wasn't injured.

There was a time before Bargs went down where he was putting up numbers second only to Melo. He was doing a better job of post D than Tyson. His team D sucked and he didnt rely enough on his midrange game which is quite good at times, but I don't believe he played a major role in our lousy record.

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:Question is, If Durant is available and they are looking for a first round pick or the #1 pick..Are they doing another rebuild??..If so, Is Westbrook also available??

they get rid of everyone but Kanter who is the future Hakeem

I'll do Westbrook for the #1 pick in a heartbeat...

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:Question is, If Durant is available and they are looking for a first round pick or the #1 pick..Are they doing another rebuild??..If so, Is Westbrook also available??

they get rid of everyone but Kanter who is the future Hakeem

I'll do Westbrook for the #1 pick in a heartbeat...

This calls for instant banning.

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:Question is, If Durant is available and they are looking for a first round pick or the #1 pick..Are they doing another rebuild??..If so, Is Westbrook also available??

they get rid of everyone but Kanter who is the future Hakeem

I'll do Westbrook for the #1 pick in a heartbeat...

This calls for instant banning.

Won't be the first time..

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:Question is, If Durant is available and they are looking for a first round pick or the #1 pick..Are they doing another rebuild??..If so, Is Westbrook also available??

they get rid of everyone but Kanter who is the future Hakeem

I'll do Westbrook for the #1 pick in a heartbeat...

Westbrook and Steph Curry are my favorite basketball players to watch right now. I'd do it, too, while acknowledging it's extremely foolhardy.

crzymdups wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:Question is, If Durant is available and they are looking for a first round pick or the #1 pick..Are they doing another rebuild??..If so, Is Westbrook also available??

they get rid of everyone but Kanter who is the future Hakeem

I'll do Westbrook for the #1 pick in a heartbeat...

Westbrook and Steph Curry are my favorite basketball players to watch right now. I'd do it, too, while acknowledging it's extremely foolhardy.

I think that we should trade our number $1 for steve francis.

I think that I saw passed out in a strip club last week. Dude looked great!

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:Question is, If Durant is available and they are looking for a first round pick or the #1 pick..Are they doing another rebuild??..If so, Is Westbrook also available??

they get rid of everyone but Kanter who is the future Hakeem

I'll do Westbrook for the #1 pick in a heartbeat...

Westbrook and Steph Curry are my favorite basketball players to watch right now. I'd do it, too, while acknowledging it's extremely foolhardy.

I think that we should trade our number $1 for steve francis.

I think that I saw passed out in a strip club last week. Dude looked great!

There's a sliiiiiiight difference between Francis and Westbrook. Just a tiny one.

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:Question is, If Durant is available and they are looking for a first round pick or the #1 pick..Are they doing another rebuild??..If so, Is Westbrook also available??

they get rid of everyone but Kanter who is the future Hakeem

I'll do Westbrook for the #1 pick in a heartbeat...

Westbrook and Steph Curry are my favorite basketball players to watch right now. I'd do it, too, while acknowledging it's extremely foolhardy.

I think that we should trade our number $1 for steve francis.

I think that I saw passed out in a strip club last week. Dude looked great!

There's a sliiiiiiight difference between Francis and Westbrook. Just a tiny one.

well ... I was being a bit extreme for effect.

mreinman wrote:

well ... I was being a bit extreme for effect.

hey, I'm on board. Westbrook would never be available via trade anyway - not until his knees start to go bad. (I've actually predicted for a few years that Russ will be a Knick in 2019 when he's 30 and his knees start to go.) I tend to be of the belief that trading for guys is not the way to go and if a guy is available via trade it's because there is a problem developing with that player or the player is overrated. Sometimes a guy just needs a change of scenery, but usually it doesn't tend to work. I wish they would just commit to drafting guys. The "problem" with the Knicks could be fixed with three or four good drafts in a row. Dolan, the idiot, keeps throwing good money after bad, trying to fix it all at once. It's been this way for 16 years. You'd think we'd learn.

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

well ... I was being a bit extreme for effect.

hey, I'm on board. Westbrook would never be available via trade anyway - not until his knees start to go bad. (I've actually predicted for a few years that Russ will be a Knick in 2019 when he's 30 and his knees start to go.) I tend to be of the belief that trading for guys is not the way to go and if a guy is available via trade it's because there is a problem developing with that player or the player is overrated. Sometimes a guy just needs a change of scenery, but usually it doesn't tend to work. I wish they would just commit to drafting guys. The "problem" with the Knicks could be fixed with three or four good drafts in a row. Dolan, the idiot, keeps throwing good money after bad, trying to fix it all at once. It's been this way for 16 years. You'd think we'd learn.

as I've said.

I ain't interested in adoption, I want my own damn baby!

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

well ... I was being a bit extreme for effect.

hey, I'm on board. Westbrook would never be available via trade anyway - not until his knees start to go bad. (I've actually predicted for a few years that Russ will be a Knick in 2019 when he's 30 and his knees start to go.) I tend to be of the belief that trading for guys is not the way to go and if a guy is available via trade it's because there is a problem developing with that player or the player is overrated. Sometimes a guy just needs a change of scenery, but usually it doesn't tend to work. I wish they would just commit to drafting guys. The "problem" with the Knicks could be fixed with three or four good drafts in a row. Dolan, the idiot, keeps throwing good money after bad, trying to fix it all at once. It's been this way for 16 years. You'd think we'd learn.

as I've said.

I ain't interested in adoption, I want my own damn baby!

Yep.

I don't know why Dolan doesn't realize that fans would love to just draft D'Angelo Russell and watch him grow into a star over the course of five years.

Hell, even advertisers would love it.

Dolan is really dumb.

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

well ... I was being a bit extreme for effect.

hey, I'm on board. Westbrook would never be available via trade anyway - not until his knees start to go bad. (I've actually predicted for a few years that Russ will be a Knick in 2019 when he's 30 and his knees start to go.) I tend to be of the belief that trading for guys is not the way to go and if a guy is available via trade it's because there is a problem developing with that player or the player is overrated. Sometimes a guy just needs a change of scenery, but usually it doesn't tend to work. I wish they would just commit to drafting guys. The "problem" with the Knicks could be fixed with three or four good drafts in a row. Dolan, the idiot, keeps throwing good money after bad, trying to fix it all at once. It's been this way for 16 years. You'd think we'd learn.

as I've said.

I ain't interested in adoption, I want my own damn baby!

Yep.

I don't know why Dolan doesn't realize that fans would love to just draft D'Angelo Russell and watch him grow into a star over the course of five years.

Hell, even advertisers would love it.

Dolan is really dumb.