CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:I would love to hear the reasoning behind the Knicks (3) votes.
Didn't you create the poll? I thought it was to see what posters' opinions are?
yes. I would like if they stated their opinion. I am hoping that voters would state their reasons aside from just voting.
I created the poll because I thought that perhaps there are some that are more blinded than I thought possible. So far only three blind mice so its not terrible.
mreinman wrote:CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:I would love to hear the reasoning behind the Knicks (3) votes.
Didn't you create the poll? I thought it was to see what posters' opinions are?
yes. I would like if they stated their opinion. I am hoping that voters would state their reasons aside from just voting.
I created the poll because I thought that perhaps there are some that are more blinded than I thought possible. So far only three blind mice so its not terrible.
I voted Philly but in the past sometimes I vote Knicks because I think the polls are focused on doom and gloom/hater topics so I just vote Knicks because I think the polls are bs. Also, there are legitimate concerns regarding Hinkie and taking the next step in team building.
mreinman wrote:This is the picks that they have for 2015:1st round pick - 76ers (unless it falls outside of the lottery)
1st round pick - Heat (unless it falls in top 10)
1st round pick - Lakers (unless it falls in the top 5)
1st round pick - Thunder (unless it falls in top 18)
2nd round pick - Denver or Minnesota (whichever is the worse)
2nd round pick - Warriors
2nd round pick - Rockets
2nd round pick - Pelicans
2nd round pick - Magic
This is on top of Noel, Embiid and some of their other shveds.
Yeah ... we got those sixers right where we want them.
I knew they had a few, but damn. the likely wont get the Lakers or the Thunders pick imo. Do they get a 2nd rounder in those cases?
CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:I would love to hear the reasoning behind the Knicks (3) votes.
Didn't you create the poll? I thought it was to see what posters' opinions are?
yes. I would like if they stated their opinion. I am hoping that voters would state their reasons aside from just voting.
I created the poll because I thought that perhaps there are some that are more blinded than I thought possible. So far only three blind mice so its not terrible.
I voted Philly but in the past sometimes I vote Knicks because I think the polls are focused on doom and gloom/hater topics so I just vote Knicks because I think the polls are bs. Also, there are legitimate concerns regarding Hinkie and taking the next step in team building.
all concerns are legitimate until it actually comes to fruition.
Morey had everyone killing him too before he pulled off the Harden trade.
Hinkie is waiting for that Harden type trade ... lets see if it pans out.
However, Hinkie has put himself in position to miss many times and still have enough chances to hit many times.
The knicks need to hit a 2 outer on the river.
knickscity wrote:mreinman wrote:This is the picks that they have for 2015:1st round pick - 76ers (unless it falls outside of the lottery)
1st round pick - Heat (unless it falls in top 10)
1st round pick - Lakers (unless it falls in the top 5)
1st round pick - Thunder (unless it falls in top 18)
2nd round pick - Denver or Minnesota (whichever is the worse)
2nd round pick - Warriors
2nd round pick - Rockets
2nd round pick - Pelicans
2nd round pick - Magic
This is on top of Noel, Embiid and some of their other shveds.
Yeah ... we got those sixers right where we want them.
I knew they had a few, but damn. the likely wont get the Lakers or the Thunders pick imo. Do they get a 2nd rounder in those cases?
No. There get a future number one.
CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:I would love to hear the reasoning behind the Knicks (3) votes.
Didn't you create the poll? I thought it was to see what posters' opinions are?
yes. I would like if they stated their opinion. I am hoping that voters would state their reasons aside from just voting.
I created the poll because I thought that perhaps there are some that are more blinded than I thought possible. So far only three blind mice so its not terrible.
I voted Philly but in the past sometimes I vote Knicks because I think the polls are focused on doom and gloom/hater topics so I just vote Knicks because I think the polls are bs. Also, there are legitimate concerns regarding Hinkie and taking the next step in team building.
i still think the knicks will be fine if they get one of the top 3 guys and do well in free agency. However the lack of draft picks compared to philly is concerning
The thing about rebuilding from the ground up is having a fanbase to believe and support it....Philly's does at the moment. No way even if we had the assets could the Knicks do what Philly is doing again. The same way Philly traded Jrue, the Knicks would have to trade Melo.
mreinman wrote:knickscity wrote:mreinman wrote:This is the picks that they have for 2015:1st round pick - 76ers (unless it falls outside of the lottery)
1st round pick - Heat (unless it falls in top 10)
1st round pick - Lakers (unless it falls in the top 5)
1st round pick - Thunder (unless it falls in top 18)
2nd round pick - Denver or Minnesota (whichever is the worse)
2nd round pick - Warriors
2nd round pick - Rockets
2nd round pick - Pelicans
2nd round pick - Magic
This is on top of Noel, Embiid and some of their other shveds.
Yeah ... we got those sixers right where we want them.
I knew they had a few, but damn. the likely wont get the Lakers or the Thunders pick imo. Do they get a 2nd rounder in those cases?
No. There get a future number one.
Nice work for them, now all they need is someone to build it.
knickscity wrote:The thing about rebuilding from the ground up is having a fanbase to believe and support it....Philly's does at the moment. No way even if we had the assets could the Knicks do what Philly is doing again. The same way Philly traded Jrue, the Knicks would have to trade Melo.
Hinkie would have traded Melo, Tyson, THJ and Shump along time ago and he would have sold high and gotten a sh1t load of assets for them.
We wait until they are worth scraps or have dipped into negative value territory.
Trading Jrue and MCW early allows you to get high value for them when you believe that they may not be as good as they are worth.
knickscity wrote:mreinman wrote:knickscity wrote:mreinman wrote:This is the picks that they have for 2015:1st round pick - 76ers (unless it falls outside of the lottery)
1st round pick - Heat (unless it falls in top 10)
1st round pick - Lakers (unless it falls in the top 5)
1st round pick - Thunder (unless it falls in top 18)
2nd round pick - Denver or Minnesota (whichever is the worse)
2nd round pick - Warriors
2nd round pick - Rockets
2nd round pick - Pelicans
2nd round pick - Magic
This is on top of Noel, Embiid and some of their other shveds.
Yeah ... we got those sixers right where we want them.
I knew they had a few, but damn. the likely wont get the Lakers or the Thunders pick imo. Do they get a 2nd rounder in those cases?
No. There get a future number one.
Nice work for them, now all they need is someone to build it.
Following his graduation from Stanford, Hinkie joined the Houston Rockets in 2005 as a special assistant to general manager Carroll Dawson.[2][5] Hinkie was promoted to vice president in 2007, becoming the youngest vice president in the NBA; in that same year, Daryl Morey became the new Rockets general manager.[6] Hinkie was promoted to Executive Vice President in 2010.[4] In Houston, Hinkie promoted the use of advanced statistics in professional basketball while "second-in-command" to General Manager Daryl Morey, another widely known advocate of advanced basketball analytics.[7] While in Houston, Hinkie played a key role in acquiring future starting point guards Kyle Lowry and Patrick Beverley.[2]
Hinkie is a young stud who seems to know more than we think that we know that he knows.
CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:I would love to hear the reasoning behind the Knicks (3) votes.
Didn't you create the poll? I thought it was to see what posters' opinions are?
yes. I would like if they stated their opinion. I am hoping that voters would state their reasons aside from just voting.
I created the poll because I thought that perhaps there are some that are more blinded than I thought possible. So far only three blind mice so its not terrible.
I voted Philly but in the past sometimes I vote Knicks because I think the polls are focused on doom and gloom/hater topics so I just vote Knicks because I think the polls are bs. Also, there are legitimate concerns regarding Hinkie and taking the next step in team building.
Are there not concerns about Phil Jackson?
mreinman wrote:knickscity wrote:The thing about rebuilding from the ground up is having a fanbase to believe and support it....Philly's does at the moment. No way even if we had the assets could the Knicks do what Philly is doing again. The same way Philly traded Jrue, the Knicks would have to trade Melo.
Hinkie would have traded Melo, Tyson, THJ and Shump along time ago and he would have sold high and gotten a sh1t load of assets for them.
We wait until they are worth scraps or have dipped into negative value territory.
Trading Jrue and MCW early allows you to get high value for them when you believe that they may not be as good as they are worth.
He didnt get much for Hawes or turner. I don't remember the particulars of his other trades but I think if you compared either of those deals to Phil's Pablo trade you would say Phil did better. I do think he needed Granger's salary added to prevent the sixers from having to pay their players for being so far under the cap.
mreinman wrote:knickscity wrote:mreinman wrote:knickscity wrote:mreinman wrote:This is the picks that they have for 2015:1st round pick - 76ers (unless it falls outside of the lottery)
1st round pick - Heat (unless it falls in top 10)
1st round pick - Lakers (unless it falls in the top 5)
1st round pick - Thunder (unless it falls in top 18)
2nd round pick - Denver or Minnesota (whichever is the worse)
2nd round pick - Warriors
2nd round pick - Rockets
2nd round pick - Pelicans
2nd round pick - Magic
This is on top of Noel, Embiid and some of their other shveds.
Yeah ... we got those sixers right where we want them.
I knew they had a few, but damn. the likely wont get the Lakers or the Thunders pick imo. Do they get a 2nd rounder in those cases?
No. There get a future number one.
Nice work for them, now all they need is someone to build it.
Following his graduation from Stanford, Hinkie joined the Houston Rockets in 2005 as a special assistant to general manager Carroll Dawson.[2][5] Hinkie was promoted to vice president in 2007, becoming the youngest vice president in the NBA; in that same year, Daryl Morey became the new Rockets general manager.[6] Hinkie was promoted to Executive Vice President in 2010.[4] In Houston, Hinkie promoted the use of advanced statistics in professional basketball while "second-in-command" to General Manager Daryl Morey, another widely known advocate of advanced basketball analytics.[7] While in Houston, Hinkie played a key role in acquiring future starting point guards Kyle Lowry and Patrick Beverley.[2]
Hinkie is a young stud who seems to know more than we think that we know that he knows.
Still gotta put it together. Kind of like how folks just knew Brian Shaw would be a good coach for instance and he's trash. Hinkie has an owner that told him to pull triggers, me and you could have do the same thing. But building a team is hard, not too many have done it from scratch. Not saying Hinkie cant do it, just merely someone will have to. So far all Hinkie has done is stockpile.
Draft picks are fools gold- they eventually have to be turned into players, and those players can just as easily be Greg Odens, Thabeet and Shumperts. Just because a team has lots of picks, it doesn't mean they will become great players. Just because they have cap space, it doesn't mean they will land great players. 76ers have very little in real terms- Noels is looking promising, but that's just about it. They will struggle to sign any free agent, so they will be reliant on getting lucky with their picks. The drafted MCW, and then moved him because ehe sucks. They drafted Embiid and then had doubts due to his foot injury and work ethic.
They don't even have that many extra no 1 picks- the OKC one will likely be late 1st round, as will the Miami one. We drafted Tim Jr and Shumpert with late 1st's. Mavs drafted Larkin with the 18th.
CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:knickscity wrote:The thing about rebuilding from the ground up is having a fanbase to believe and support it....Philly's does at the moment. No way even if we had the assets could the Knicks do what Philly is doing again. The same way Philly traded Jrue, the Knicks would have to trade Melo.
Hinkie would have traded Melo, Tyson, THJ and Shump along time ago and he would have sold high and gotten a sh1t load of assets for them.
We wait until they are worth scraps or have dipped into negative value territory.
Trading Jrue and MCW early allows you to get high value for them when you believe that they may not be as good as they are worth.
He didnt get much for Hawes or turner. I don't remember the particulars of his other trades but I think if you compared either of those deals to Phil's Pablo trade you would say Phil did better. I do think he needed Granger's salary added to prevent the sixers from having to pay their players for being so far under the cap.
Of course he can't and didn't hit on every trade.
If you read about him and what he says and believes, you would see how he works. He believes that statistically, you will fail a lot or even most of the time. Therefore, you need to compile numerous chances so that you can afford the misses and possibly hit the big ones.
smackeddog wrote:Draft picks are fools gold- they eventually have to be turned into players, and those players can just as easily be Greg Odens, Thabeet and Shumperts. Just because a team has lots of picks, it doesn't mean they will become great players. Just because they have cap space, it doesn't mean they will land great players. 76ers have very little in real terms- Noels is looking promising, but that's just about it. They will struggle to sign any free agent, so they will be reliant on getting lucky with their picks. The drafted MCW, and then moved him because ehe sucks. They drafted Embiid and then had doubts due to his foot injury and work ethic. They don't even have that many extra no 1 picks- the OKC one will likely be late 1st round, as will the Miami one. We drafted Tim Jr and Shumpert with late 1st's. Mavs drafted Larkin with the 18th.
You're not winning anything without usage of the draft and having superior talent evaluators. it's hardly fools gold. You can name examples all day but look at your champions....they all have top drafted players, mixed in with mid drafts and some gems.
smackeddog wrote:Draft picks are fools gold- they eventually have to be turned into players, and those players can just as easily be Greg Odens, Thabeet and Shumperts. Just because a team has lots of picks, it doesn't mean they will become great players. Just because they have cap space, it doesn't mean they will land great players. 76ers have very little in real terms- Noels is looking promising, but that's just about it. They will struggle to sign any free agent, so they will be reliant on getting lucky with their picks. The drafted MCW, and then moved him because ehe sucks. They drafted Embiid and then had doubts due to his foot injury and work ethic. They don't even have that many extra no 1 picks- the OKC one will likely be late 1st round, as will the Miami one. We drafted Tim Jr and Shumpert with late 1st's. Mavs drafted Larkin with the 18th.
well i guess the knicks agree with your opinion on draft picks. For 15 years we have thrown away draft picks picks and for 15 years we have pretty much....sucked
CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:CrushAlot wrote:mreinman wrote:knickscity wrote:The thing about rebuilding from the ground up is having a fanbase to believe and support it....Philly's does at the moment. No way even if we had the assets could the Knicks do what Philly is doing again. The same way Philly traded Jrue, the Knicks would have to trade Melo.
Hinkie would have traded Melo, Tyson, THJ and Shump along time ago and he would have sold high and gotten a sh1t load of assets for them.
We wait until they are worth scraps or have dipped into negative value territory.
Trading Jrue and MCW early allows you to get high value for them when you believe that they may not be as good as they are worth.
He didnt get much for Hawes or turner. I don't remember the particulars of his other trades but I think if you compared either of those deals to Phil's Pablo trade you would say Phil did better. I do think he needed Granger's salary added to prevent the sixers from having to pay their players for being so far under the cap.
Of course he can't and didn't hit on every trade.
If you read about him and what he says and believes, you would see how he works. He believes that statistically, you will fail a lot or even most of the time. Therefore, you need to compile numerous chances so that you can afford the misses and possibly hit the big ones.
I have read about him.
and you think that he is less capable than others? You think that Phil is a better GM?
