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gunsnewing wrote:by the way Kanter had 0 blocks today

Kanter seems to be benefiting from playing with Westbrook on a good team, good system

Monroe is a much better passer than kanter who never passes. He's a black hole like amare

Kanter rarely ever blocks, his block rate is less than the likes of Lou Amundson.

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I'd much rather replace Monroe with Millsap

Why is Melo old at 30, but Milsap isn't? I like Milsap too, I'm just curious why people say Melo is past it at 30, but no other nba player is.

I wouldn't sign Millsap to Melo's contract either.
I was never against signing Melo. I just didn't want to give him the largest contract in the world and then throw in a no trade clause too.
You can't ignore that Millsap has ten thousand less minutes of wear and tear too.

gunsnewing wrote:Monroe is a much better passer than kanter who never passes. He's a black hole like amare

Kanter is a better scorer, but Monroe is better at everything else. Rebounding, passing, defending, everything.

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I'd much rather replace Monroe with Millsap

Why is Melo old at 30, but Milsap isn't? I like Milsap too, I'm just curious why people say Melo is past it at 30, but no other nba player is.

This is one of the big mysteries of Knicks fans everywhere. As it relates to Melo, 30 is the new 40.

Knixkik wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I'd much rather replace Monroe with Millsap

Why is Melo old at 30, but Milsap isn't? I like Milsap too, I'm just curious why people say Melo is past it at 30, but no other nba player is.

This is one of the big mysteries of Knicks fans everywhere. As it relates to Melo, 30 is the new 40.

mileage and style. not that mysterious.

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I'd much rather replace Monroe with Millsap

Why is Melo old at 30, but Milsap isn't? I like Milsap too, I'm just curious why people say Melo is past it at 30, but no other nba player is.

This is one of the big mysteries of Knicks fans everywhere. As it relates to Melo, 30 is the new 40.

mileage and style. not that mysterious.

That's all just opinion. I would argue the opposite, that his style helps him age and not hurt him. He is not a player who relies heavily on jump/gun ability like other athletic scorers. His strength and jumper will not slip like freak athletic ability would.

Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I'd much rather replace Monroe with Millsap

Why is Melo old at 30, but Milsap isn't? I like Milsap too, I'm just curious why people say Melo is past it at 30, but no other nba player is.

This is one of the big mysteries of Knicks fans everywhere. As it relates to Melo, 30 is the new 40.

mileage and style. not that mysterious.

That's all just opinion. I would argue the opposite, that his style helps him age and not hurt him. He is not a player who relies heavily on jump/gun ability like other athletic scorers. His strength and jumper will not slip like freak athletic ability would.

his body takes a pounding ... one of the worst pounding in the game.

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I'd much rather replace Monroe with Millsap

Why is Melo old at 30, but Milsap isn't? I like Milsap too, I'm just curious why people say Melo is past it at 30, but no other nba player is.

This is one of the big mysteries of Knicks fans everywhere. As it relates to Melo, 30 is the new 40.

mileage and style. not that mysterious.

That's all just opinion. I would argue the opposite, that his style helps him age and not hurt him. He is not a player who relies heavily on jump/gun ability like other athletic scorers. His strength and jumper will not slip like freak athletic ability would.

his body takes a pounding ... one of the worst pounding in the game.

And with more help and less minutes, and an offense designed for him to get easier shots, that should become less of a concern. I do agree with that though. I just think that aspect is reversible.

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I'd much rather replace Monroe with Millsap

Why is Melo old at 30, but Milsap isn't? I like Milsap too, I'm just curious why people say Melo is past it at 30, but no other nba player is.

This is one of the big mysteries of Knicks fans everywhere. As it relates to Melo, 30 is the new 40.

mileage and style. not that mysterious.

That's all just opinion. I would argue the opposite, that his style helps him age and not hurt him. He is not a player who relies heavily on jump/gun ability like other athletic scorers. His strength and jumper will not slip like freak athletic ability would.

his body takes a pounding ... one of the worst pounding in the game.

Perhaps if Melo was going to continue to try and play PF and bang all night, but really much of Melo's game will be in the Pinch Post where he can go 1 on 1 and also take shots from the perimeter. My guess is that Melo will continue to refine his low impact game.

A move like this is something Melo could do when he's 40. It's just skill and execution. There are other aspects of his game that he can use as well, that don't really rely on pure athletic ability. Taken 3's and using screens to take shots with less of a high jump is always an option. It should take a small adjustment for him to make that change.

With the right pieces around them, I would prefer a lineup of

Ajinica (what will he get? I really do not know but I think it could be as high as 8m - 12m per year if Jordan Hill got a 2year 9m per year deal) If we can get him for anything less, I would be very happy
Towns, OK4, or whoever we may draft with out pick, dependent on where we land the pick and who goes before us, I would not mind trading this pick if a team overpays for this pick for more picks and younger players
ANOTHER BIG, like WHiteside for NEAR MAX maybe Horford/Noah, maybe even Pau Gasol on a much lower deal, from the UFA of 2017 and signing 2-3 STARs and/or complimentary players

The Combination of Ajincia and Towns would have 2 athletic PF/C's that can shoot the 3pter and cover much ground with their length, mobility, athleticism, and should be able to eat their man up 1v1 in deep post

Trading CA to Lakers or Houston, it really depends on what we can still get for trading him and the assets we may get back
I simply do not believe that we can build around CA and the salary that he makes, the older he gets and more time we need to spend on the development on players/systems, the more CA will decline

Draymond Green or Paul Millsap
Draymond Green provides leadership and will simply elevate our DEFENSE, while teaching our kids how to play DEFENSE and work on and off the court...

MLE that we could use on ONE player ot 2 players by resigning Cole ALdrich this summer to go over the cap
With most of the MLE going to players like, Wes Matthewws, DaMaRRe Carroll
or a combination of players like with 2 players below, maybe even 1 more with a D Leaguer

Randy Foye (player option)
Mo Williams/Jameer Nelson
Wesley Johnson
Ed Davis/Koufus
Serephin/Lovoy Allen

While signing Thanas/Orlando Sanchez/UFA's/D LEAGER's etc to 3year deal with either cap space or part of the MLE, with under 1m of the cap space

This summer,
With the rest of our cap space, target another solid 2 way player like Danny Green (a reason why I would offer Kawaii Leanard a max deal day 1, to limit Spurs to 3 days to add talent if they keep Kawaii)

Possibly Keeping Shved with a 2-3year, possibly 4year deal with team option, from a starting salary to 2.5m to about 3m, with the raises going to hit about 3.5m after increases/raises at some point

Next year, maybe trade deadline....
While I wouldn't trade this pick for Durant, maybe a combination of other assets and depending on if we can trade CA and what we get back, and the recovery of Durant, maybe pull a trade for him if Durant pushes to go to NYC like CA did....
May even need Calderon's contract in order to may this work...

Plug in Durant at SG/SF/PF if we trade for him...
If GS matches for Green, try Millsap
Move Early/Tim Hardaway JR if any of the possible trades or this summer if we can get future picks out of them....

Shved/Galloway *SHVED, gets to penetrate all day with these shooters to spread him out or ending up with a wide open 3pt shot, also getting a PnR from either Green/Towns/Ajnicia
Danny Green/Wesley Matthews
Draymond Green
Towns/Draymond Green
Ajincia

Galloway
Wesley Mathews
Thanasis
Orlando Sanchez
Cole Aldrich

Lou Amundson
Lance Thomas

Knixkik wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I'd much rather replace Monroe with Millsap

Why is Melo old at 30, but Milsap isn't? I like Milsap too, I'm just curious why people say Melo is past it at 30, but no other nba player is.

This is one of the big mysteries of Knicks fans everywhere. As it relates to Melo, 30 is the new 40.

It all depends on price. I don't think there are any posters here who were outright against signing Melo but yet want to sign Millsap.
Are there posters who don't want to sign a 30 year old Melo to 124 mil but would be willing to spend 70 mil less on a 30 year old Millsap? I know I would but you shouldn't find that confusing or mysterious. You might disagree with it but you should be able to comprehend that the contract size makes a huge difference.

consider trading for Lance Stephenson

Calderon, TIm Hardaway JR, Early, playing a 6th man role with Galloway, and allowing Lance to penetrate all day with our BIGS and shooters

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I'd much rather replace Monroe with Millsap

Why is Melo old at 30, but Milsap isn't? I like Milsap too, I'm just curious why people say Melo is past it at 30, but no other nba player is.

This is one of the big mysteries of Knicks fans everywhere. As it relates to Melo, 30 is the new 40.

mileage and style. not that mysterious.

That's all just opinion. I would argue the opposite, that his style helps him age and not hurt him. He is not a player who relies heavily on jump/gun ability like other athletic scorers. His strength and jumper will not slip like freak athletic ability would.

his body takes a pounding ... one of the worst pounding in the game.

Perhaps if Melo was going to continue to try and play PF and bang all night, but really much of Melo's game will be in the Pinch Post where he can go 1 on 1 and also take shots from the perimeter. My guess is that Melo will continue to refine his low impact game.

A move like this is something Melo could do when he's 40. It's just skill and execution. There are other aspects of his game that he can use as well, that don't really rely on pure athletic ability. Taken 3's and using screens to take shots with less of a high jump is always an option. It should take a small adjustment for him to make that change.

so you're banking on Melo changing his game?

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:
Perhaps if Melo was going to continue to try and play PF and bang all night, but really much of Melo's game will be in the Pinch Post where he can go 1 on 1 and also take shots from the perimeter. My guess is that Melo will continue to refine his low impact game.

A move like this is something Melo could do when he's 40. It's just skill and execution. There are other aspects of his game that he can use as well, that don't really rely on pure athletic ability. Taken 3's and using screens to take shots with less of a high jump is always an option. It should take a small adjustment for him to make that change.

so you're banking on Melo changing his game?

Melo, like Kobe, is going to have to change his game as he gets older. Melo is smart enough to know this. Time waits for no man, etc. Melo isn't stupid. Bernard King changed his game, too, post injury.

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:
Perhaps if Melo was going to continue to try and play PF and bang all night, but really much of Melo's game will be in the Pinch Post where he can go 1 on 1 and also take shots from the perimeter. My guess is that Melo will continue to refine his low impact game.

A move like this is something Melo could do when he's 40. It's just skill and execution. There are other aspects of his game that he can use as well, that don't really rely on pure athletic ability. Taken 3's and using screens to take shots with less of a high jump is always an option. It should take a small adjustment for him to make that change.

so you're banking on Melo changing his game?

Melo, like Kobe, is going to have to change his game as he gets older. Melo is smart enough to know this. Time waits for no man, etc. Melo isn't stupid. Bernard King changed his game, too, post injury.

YUP! Also everyone forgets that Jordan made the change as well. He was far less dependent on his athletic ability as he matured. Kobe worked on his post game much like Jordan. It's evident that Melo added that shot in preparation for making the change and going more low impact. It's the reason I even showed the video to make it clear that he's already changing. Melo naysayers don't want to believe this so I have to provide some proof that not only is it possible but that he's already making changes.

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:
Perhaps if Melo was going to continue to try and play PF and bang all night, but really much of Melo's game will be in the Pinch Post where he can go 1 on 1 and also take shots from the perimeter. My guess is that Melo will continue to refine his low impact game.

A move like this is something Melo could do when he's 40. It's just skill and execution. There are other aspects of his game that he can use as well, that don't really rely on pure athletic ability. Taken 3's and using screens to take shots with less of a high jump is always an option. It should take a small adjustment for him to make that change.

so you're banking on Melo changing his game?

Melo, like Kobe, is going to have to change his game as he gets older. Melo is smart enough to know this. Time waits for no man, etc. Melo isn't stupid. Bernard King changed his game, too, post injury.

so will this chance also include not taking stupid shots and perhaps passing the ball too?

Great! I have been waiting for this for a long time.

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:
Perhaps if Melo was going to continue to try and play PF and bang all night, but really much of Melo's game will be in the Pinch Post where he can go 1 on 1 and also take shots from the perimeter. My guess is that Melo will continue to refine his low impact game.

A move like this is something Melo could do when he's 40. It's just skill and execution. There are other aspects of his game that he can use as well, that don't really rely on pure athletic ability. Taken 3's and using screens to take shots with less of a high jump is always an option. It should take a small adjustment for him to make that change.

so you're banking on Melo changing his game?

Melo, like Kobe, is going to have to change his game as he gets older. Melo is smart enough to know this. Time waits for no man, etc. Melo isn't stupid. Bernard King changed his game, too, post injury.

so will this chance also include not taking stupid shots and perhaps passing the ball too?

Great! I have been waiting for this for a long time.

I think we need to 1st just see if we can get him healthy and back on the floor at a high level. Worrying about the occasional bad shot or missed pass is a bit further down the list of concerns.

Melo isn't a perfect player, but that doesn't mean we have to treat him like he's some bum and we can't win with him on the team. We most surely can win with Melo on the team. Phil's job is to put a team together that makes sense PERIOD. As long as he keeps working towards building a roster that can function on a high level the team will win. Melo is just one player. We need to be concerned with the other guys on the team and how good they are.

Tobias Harris has expressed his desire to come to the Knicks and I don't believe he can command max from a team. Him and Melo would work well as inside out forwards providing space for a PG Russel or Center Ok4/Towns.

I wonder if we can come away with Khris Middleton 11-12mil and Tobias Harris 11-12mil