BRIGGS wrote:So far Phils commitment to defense was trading one of the better defenders in the league--Chandler for the worst defender in the league Calderon.
I'm still trying to understand the reason behind that trade.
The only thing I come up with is he doesn't think Chandler is the type to run the triangle....And doesn't have the outside jumper or offensive IQ to make those decisions. And he thought Calderon was going to be a rejuvenated High IQ player, who can learn and flourish in his system. So far, that trade has back fired, and I think even he will tell you that.
Chandler also checked out earlier in the season.....He didn't seem like he cared too much. So did Phil think he was replaceable due to the bigs in the draft and in free agency? It's possible.
Phil has never been the type to figure out, even during his championship runs. So I'll just say it was a good thought, but if it backfires, like he has, then he just set us up for an even higher pick. With Chandler, we probably wouldn't have the worst record right now. So it worked out in the end. He likes his starting bigs to have some brains. And the bigs with no brains, come off the bench.....At least that's the patterns I've seen from his Chicago to LA days. Chandler was never known to be a great passer.....Which is a skill that's needed in the triangle. OK4 would fit in nicely on offense. I won't debate on the defense again, you already know where I stand.
But we will see based on this pick. I know when we traded Chandler, our rim protection dropped so far, it was instant. I'm sure Phil sees that clear as day. And after scouting Kentucky, I'm sure he will try to get some kind of rim protection from somewhere....But hopefully at a cheaper price than Chandler.....
Phil probably though Dalembert could maintain his high level of play for one more year. His year in Dallas was very comparable to Tyson's last year as a knick. He also thought that Calderon would be a plus asset. He rushed the deal to also get Felton off the team. He should have held the Mavericks hostage since they made it clear that they missed Tyson.
First year GM makes mistakes but hopefully he learns from the Tyson trade and the Cleveland trade.
yellowboy90 wrote:Phil probably though Dalembert could maintain his high level of play for one more year. His year in Dallas was very comparable to Tyson's last year as a knick. He also thought that Calderon would be a plus asset. He rushed the deal to also get Felton off the team. He should have held the Mavericks hostage since they made it clear that they missed Tyson.First year GM makes mistakes but hopefully he learns from the Tyson trade and the Cleveland trade.
God forbid he trades away Lance, Lou and Shane for peanuts
yellowboy90 wrote:Phil probably though Dalembert could maintain his high level of play for one more year. His year in Dallas was very comparable to Tyson's last year as a knick. He also thought that Calderon would be a plus asset. He rushed the deal to also get Felton off the team. He should have held the Mavericks hostage since they made it clear that they missed Tyson.First year GM makes mistakes but hopefully he learns from the Tyson trade and the Cleveland trade.
The Cleveland trade wasn't as bad as many in the past. The Knicks moved Shump with JR to get 6.3 mil off the cap and move on from JR/Shump. It doesn't compare to the Jeffries trade where a top 3 protected pick and the Knicks lottery pick were moved for cap space.
TripleThreat wrote:BRIGGS wrote:We have cheap rim protection right here in Admundson and Aldrich
Amundson is a 32 year old journeyman player. Aldrich is a back of the roster big.
Your combination of players including Melo, Kanter, Shved, Stuckey, Mo Williams, it's all sieve on defense. You talk about defense only in passing. You've assembled maybe the worst possible defensive roster scenario that could be conceived.
So when Aldrich and Admundson come into the game in the 4th quarter, to try to provide some semblance of defense, who is getting shuttled to the bench?
I like Aldrich and Admundson for now--to maximize free agency this year we need to keep some cheap players. TT to add Kanter Okafor/Towns and Stuckey--alone would be a coup of an offseason. This team has more holes than the Titanic. There isnt 3 Scottie pippens on the market TT--I know you dont really follow the day to day NBA but there simply arent 6-8 athletic 23 point 7 rebound 6 assist guard available. You talk about trade rape--how about realistic expectations and an understanding of what is available for the Knicks.
I can see a path to really improve our frontcourt. That would take our main assets--a majority of our cash and then our pick. But thats great--thats the number 1 hole right?
If we have done 1 thing right with Phil--we have thrown multiple darts out there. He needs to keep this up. Be AGGRESSIVE in the draft use the 3mm to buy picks heck trade the 2018 into this draft to expedite and or find undrafted players. Continue to look overseas. I see 1 maybe 2 players that I would actually spend the max on. We need to find our own Dray Green's our own Danny Green's etc.. and you do that in late rd 1 rd 2 undrafted overseas and in the D league.
Anyone with an expectation that we are going to go from 15 wins to 55 is just not getting it. Build it pieces at a time. I would tell Dolan that we will improve each year Jim but if we do this the right way--we can sustain success for 10 years and then we just keep the process in place and dont fall back here--but the only way to get out is byt adding pieces that can stay together and build something.
To answer your question TT--we need to find our defensive players just like GS did--on the secondary market. The Currys the Thompsons--they are their core offense and thats why they are high draft picks. High end free agents excel at two things--in this case kanter is a premium high % scorer and rebounder--but has now shown skills to be a very nice ball mover. At 6-11 260--thats a max player and one most teams would die to have. Maybe we bring in a Robert Upshaw or Gary Payton--we have options if we buy into rd 2.
yellowboy90 wrote:Phil probably though Dalembert could maintain his high level of play for one more year. His year in Dallas was very comparable to Tyson's last year as a knick. He also thought that Calderon would be a plus asset. He rushed the deal to also get Felton off the team. He should have held the Mavericks hostage since they made it clear that they missed Tyson.First year GM makes mistakes but hopefully he learns from the Tyson trade and the Cleveland trade.
Dalembart and the 2012 Knicks show the risk of reliance on players over 32 years old. Most players careers are done or crumbling by 32. Thats why you dont want to give max contract to players over 30 unless its a special situation.
Why has the triangle been so successfull? It is very simple the system always had the best SG in the game. You guys think I'm crazy for saying this if the Knicks do not land OK4 do not be surprised if Phil take Mudiay. He is that do everything SG with PG ball handling skills and vision. You simply can not pass up that level of skill, athleticism and speed. Phil's system will have this guy play at ridiculous level. I'm talking 25-27 points, 5 rebounds and 5-8 assists.
Vmart wrote:Why has the triangle been so successfull? It is very simple the system always had the best SG in the game. You guys think I'm crazy for saying this if the Knicks do not land OK4 do not be surprised if Phil take Mudiay. He is that do everything SG with PG ball handling skills and vision. You simply can not pass up that level of skill, athleticism and speed. Phil's system will have this guy play at ridiculous level. I'm talking 25-27 points, 5 rebounds and 5-8 assists.
I think Hezonga is 3 but is neck and neck with Winslow. Id have to see Winslow and Mudiay together but I think Winslow might take him by a tad. Hes slightly taller and hes the only end to end player in this draft who weighs over 225 pounds with tier 1 athletic ability. Hes a beast. I think Winslow might just be closer to James Harden than almost anyone thinks. I want pick 1 or 2--but I know that both Hezonga and Winslow are special players. Winslow obviously i know way better as Ive seen him play live 20 times. I think thats why I like ok4 so much because you see the + and -s and I know Ok4 needs to work on lateral explosion but his offense is nothing I have seen from a freshmen ballplayer in my lifetime. That being said going back to Winslow--hes a tiger in the wings a superstar in the making. Not 1 problem from this old guy if we take him. I feel good about coming in last place because I know we can get a star. Im torn on Winslow and Hezonga--Hezonga with that J and his athletic ability and he can handle--its VERY VERY VERY tough--to me its MUCH TOUGHER decision at 3. In My final mock I wont be surprised if I move Winslow to 3 based on his body.
Vmart- if Mudiay can't shoot then how do you expect him to do well in this triangle system
BRIGGS wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I don't know about this. Melo can't keep up with 3's how is he going to guard 2's when they can just go around him. Just because they are 2's doesn't mean all they do is stand behind the 3pt line
Melo can simply guard the opposing players 3 point shooter--almost every team has 1. Go through NBA rosters--not many have breakdown 2's Guys like Wes Matthews Middleton Green Butler--he can guard those guys--in fact he can guard them better than he can guard a 6-11 260 pd PF. Go around the league and tell me he cant guard the 2 position. Klay Thompson Kyle Korver etc.. and when we cant we move him around to the best position to match up with.
Those guys can also dribble right past him cause they'll all have the speed factor over him. Melo is fine where he's at he just needs a legit scorer and other good players around him so he doesn't have to feel like all the scoring is on him.
newyorker4ever wrote:BRIGGS wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I don't know about this. Melo can't keep up with 3's how is he going to guard 2's when they can just go around him. Just because they are 2's doesn't mean all they do is stand behind the 3pt line
Melo can simply guard the opposing players 3 point shooter--almost every team has 1. Go through NBA rosters--not many have breakdown 2's Guys like Wes Matthews Middleton Green Butler--he can guard those guys--in fact he can guard them better than he can guard a 6-11 260 pd PF. Go around the league and tell me he cant guard the 2 position. Klay Thompson Kyle Korver etc.. and when we cant we move him around to the best position to match up with.
Those guys can also dribble right past him cause they'll all have the speed factor over him. Melo is fine where he's at he just needs a legit scorer and other good players around him so he doesn't have to feel like all the scoring is on him.
Jesus Carmelo Anthony is not weighed down by ankle weights. Its in his BEST long term interests to LOSE weight to take pressure off of the knee. Thats what WAde did. I get you all the way--thera ers oem 2 guard match up that would not work--thats why I said hybrid--Hybrid meaning whoever their 3 point shooter is that night--thats Melos man. If we play GS--hes got Klay if its Dallas he got Parsons if it was tonight he takes Reddick. He takes the wing who specializes in the 3 and doesnt really break players off with the dribble.
Who do you think he can guard better Anthony Davis or Danny Green? Davis would put 40 on Melo at the 4. Green he has the size and length to bother and Green doesnt have the speed to break Melo down.
TPercy wrote:Vmart- if Mudiay can't shoot then how do you expect him to do well in this triangle system
Who said he can't shoot? You guys act like he can't hit the broad side of the barn. Are you guys watching college basketball shooting has to be at an all time low. Shooting is all reps. You guys act like you can't get better at and Mudiay isn't a finished product. I guarantee you guys after all the combines are complete Mudiay will stand head and shoulders above his competition.
Briggs your tune would totally be different if Mudiay had gone to play college ball.
Vmart wrote:TPercy wrote:Vmart- if Mudiay can't shoot then how do you expect him to do well in this triangle system
Who said he can't shoot? You guys act like he can't hit the broad side of the barn. Are you guys watching college basketball shooting has to be at an all time low. Shooting is all reps. You guys act like you can't get better at and Mudiay isn't a finished product. I guarantee you guys after all the combines are complete Mudiay will stand head and shoulders above his competition.
Briggs your tune would totally be different if Mudiay had gone to play college ball.
Vmart.....theres probably a select few thats high on Mudiay. I'm one of them as well. I think he's a sleeper with superstar potential. And like you said, if he went to college....or....if he came out of HS like lebrons, kobes, garnets....He would've been the first or second pick. He could be the steal of the draft. He has all the tools of a John Wall type of guard. And like John Wall, he will develop a consistent jumpshot, because everybody will be backing off of him. Plus, he's already ahead of John Wall at this stage, so he's going to be special. This is why I think Phil will explore trading options, if they have Mudiay equal to Towns or Russell (as an example). Then they might shoot for a combination of Mudiay and Stein, with a second round pick maybe....This is where Phil needs some major GM help, because his track record on trades are not the best. But it's still a great option, especially if we get pick #2, and OK4 is off the board. And maybe they are not as high on Towns as I am, then thats a nice trading position to be in.
blkexec wrote:Vmart wrote:TPercy wrote:Vmart- if Mudiay can't shoot then how do you expect him to do well in this triangle system
Who said he can't shoot? You guys act like he can't hit the broad side of the barn. Are you guys watching college basketball shooting has to be at an all time low. Shooting is all reps. You guys act like you can't get better at and Mudiay isn't a finished product. I guarantee you guys after all the combines are complete Mudiay will stand head and shoulders above his competition.
Briggs your tune would totally be different if Mudiay had gone to play college ball.
Vmart.....theres probably a select few thats high on Mudiay. I'm one of them as well. I think he's a sleeper with superstar potential. And like you said, if he went to college....or....if he came out of HS like lebrons, kobes, garnets....He would've been the first or second pick. He could be the steal of the draft. He has all the tools of a John Wall type of guard. And like John Wall, he will develop a consistent jumpshot, because everybody will be backing off of him. Plus, he's already ahead of John Wall at this stage, so he's going to be special. This is why I think Phil will explore trading options, if they have Mudiay equal to Towns or Russell (as an example). Then they might shoot for a combination of Mudiay and Stein, with a second round pick maybe....This is where Phil needs some major GM help, because his track record on trades are not the best. But it's still a great option, especially if we get pick #2, and OK4 is off the board. And maybe they are not as high on Towns as I am, then thats a nice trading position to be in.
Agreed, Mudiay to me is the second best player in the draft after OK4.
um melo is fat coming off of knee surgery. not a good idea. lol
