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mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Enes Kanter Value over Replacement Player: -0.1! Ouch!
His recent good play wasn't enough to make up for an entire season.
I know Monroe isn't a sexy option but he isn't nearly as bad as people make him out to be. He's got solid numbers and I think he was misused in Detroit.good player inside of 3 feet. Outside? Not so much.
You say that like it's a bad thing. In the Triangle we need a player who can score at a good clip inside and pass the ball at a high level. We actually don't need Monroe to be a great shooter from distance.
nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Enes Kanter Value over Replacement Player: -0.1! Ouch!
His recent good play wasn't enough to make up for an entire season.
I know Monroe isn't a sexy option but he isn't nearly as bad as people make him out to be. He's got solid numbers and I think he was misused in Detroit.good player inside of 3 feet. Outside? Not so much.
You say that like it's a bad thing. In the Triangle we need a player who can score at a good clip inside and pass the ball at a high level. We actually don't need Monroe to be a great shooter from distance.
Yeah, I think were dead last or close to it in terms of the amount of points we generated at the rim. I'm not dead set against signing Monroe, I just want to wait until after the draft before a decision is made.
gunsnewing wrote:I like Danny Green but Phil likes guards who create like Svhed and Galloway. Green is a good spot up shooter whereas Carrol and Butler to an extent create plays off the dribble
Phil has had guys like Kerr, Rick Fox, Jud Buechler, Brian Shaw etc. who weren't creative off the dribble. The important thing about Green is that he's proven that he can move without the ball and pass with a system. His D is also underrated--he averaged a block and a steal a game as a wing! He held his opponents to a PER of 11 this season:http://www.82games.com/1415/1415.HTM
BigDaddyG wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Enes Kanter Value over Replacement Player: -0.1! Ouch!
His recent good play wasn't enough to make up for an entire season.
I know Monroe isn't a sexy option but he isn't nearly as bad as people make him out to be. He's got solid numbers and I think he was misused in Detroit.good player inside of 3 feet. Outside? Not so much.
You say that like it's a bad thing. In the Triangle we need a player who can score at a good clip inside and pass the ball at a high level. We actually don't need Monroe to be a great shooter from distance.Yeah, I think were dead last or close to it in terms of the amount of points we generated at the rim. I'm not dead set against signing Monroe, I just want to wait until after the draft before a decision is made.
Oh yeah the draft is key to everything. We won't be looking at Monroe if we take Okafor for instance.
BigDaddyG wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I like Danny Green but Phil likes guards who create like Svhed and Galloway. Green is a good spot up shooter whereas Carrol and Butler to an extent create plays off the dribblePhil has had guys like Kerr, Rick Fox, Jud Buechler, Brian Shaw etc. who weren't creative off the dribble. The important thing about Green is that he's proven that he can move without the ball and pass with a system. His D is also underrated--he averaged a block and a steal a game as a wing! He held his opponents to a PER of 11 this season:http://www.82games.com/1415/1415.HTM
I think people are greatly underestimating how good Danny Green actually is. He's a very high quality player. This is why I made this thread cuz sometimes people have a particular view of a player that isn't actually true. Danny Green is a top player in this Free Agent Market.
Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 ▾ VORP
1 DeA. Jordan C 26 LAC 82 2820 21.0 .638 .007 .882 16.2 32.4 24.5 3.2 1.5 5.4 12.8 13.6 7.4 5.4 12.8 .217 4.3
2 Jimmy Butler SG 25 CHI 65 2513 21.3 .583 .212 .508 5.1 11.2 8.2 14.4 2.3 1.0 7.7 21.6 8.2 3.0 11.2 .214 4.2
3 Kawhi Leonard SF 23 SAS 64 2033 22.0 .567 .234 .307 4.8 20.6 12.9 13.0 3.7 1.8 9.4 23.0 4.2 4.4 8.6 .204 4.1
4 Bran. Wright PF 27 TOT 75 1449 20.4 .660 .008 .309 9.6 14.7 12.1 4.4 1.7 5.1 7.6 13.6 4.3 1.8 6.1 .202 2.0
5 M. Gasol C 30 MEM 81 2687 21.7 .558 .016 .410 4.9 21.8 13.4 19.7 1.4 4.0 12.2 24.6 5.5 4.7 10.2 .182 4.6
6 M. Muscala PF 23 ATL 40 502 18.0 .608 .146 .166 12.2 14.8 13.5 8.0 1.6 3.2 11.5 16.7 1.2 0.7 1.9 .179 0.5
7 P. Millsap PF 29 ATL 73 2390 20.1 .565 .232 .362 6.9 20.0 13.6 15.4 2.8 2.4 13.3 23.8 4.0 4.3 8.3 .167 3.7
8 A. Baynes C 28 SAS 70 1122 15.9 .618 .012 .318 11.2 20.7 16.1 4.9 0.7 1.5 14.8 17.8 2.3 1.6 3.9 .166 0.3
9 L. Aldridge PF 29 POR 71 2512 22.8 .528 .074 .256 7.7 22.9 15.5 9.2 1.0 1.9 7.2 30.2 4.9 3.7 8.6 .165 1.4
10 K. Love PF 26 CLE 75 2532 18.8 .562 .412 .337 6.5 26.3 16.6 10.7 1.0 1.2 10.0 21.7 5.8 2.9 8.7 .165 2.5Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 ▾ VORP
11 Danny Green SG 27 SAS 81 2312 16.5 .596 .619 .172 2.7 13.9 8.4 10.3 2.2 2.8 10.5 17.5 4.0 3.9 7.8 .163 4.1
12 Dray. Green SF 24 GSW 79 2490 16.4 .540 .430 .261 5.1 22.4 14.0 16.1 2.4 2.9 13.5 17.2 3.3 5.2 8.5 .163 4.4
13 A. Ajinca C 26 NOP 68 957 19.9 .595 .000 .301 12.4 25.0 18.7 8.2 1.2 4.0 15.6 21.1 1.9 1.2 3.2 .159 0.5
14 Brook Lopez C 26 BRK 72 2100 22.7 .558 .010 .278 11.5 17.1 14.3 4.5 1.1 4.8 8.6 26.3 4.7 2.2 7.0 .159 1.1
15 B. Biyombo C 22 CHO 64 1243 15.2 .578 .000 .941 13.7 22.6 18.0 2.0 0.7 6.3 16.5 11.6 1.8 2.2 4.0 .155 0.5
16 D. Carroll SF 28 ATL 70 2189 15.9 .603 .466 .277 5.3 13.8 9.7 8.3 2.2 0.7 9.3 16.9 4.3 2.8 7.0 .154 2.7
17 G. Monroe PF 24 DET 69 2137 21.2 .549 .000 .394 11.2 25.1 17.9 11.7 1.9 1.3 13.0 23.9 4.0 2.8 6.8 .153 2.1
18 A. Morrow SG 29 OKC 74 1806 14.8 .604 .528 .145 2.4 9.1 5.8 5.2 1.5 0.5 5.5 16.5 4.4 1.2 5.7 .151 1.2
19 R. Lopez C 26 POR 59 1638 16.2 .574 .002 .291 12.7 13.1 12.9 5.1 0.5 3.7 12.9 15.5 3.2 1.9 5.1 .150 1.7
20 C. Joseph PG 23 SAS 79 1444 15.5 .564 .107 .348 3.5 11.4 7.5 19.7 1.6 0.9 12.4 17.0 2.7 1.8 4.5 .149 1.0Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 ▾ VORP
21 Tri Thompson PF 23 CLE 82 2194 15.6 .580 .000 .508 14.5 19.7 17.2 2.7 0.8 2.2 12.2 14.0 4.7 2.1 6.8 .148 0.8
22 W. Matthews SG 28 POR 60 2024 16.1 .586 .592 .193 2.1 9.5 5.9 10.8 1.9 0.4 9.0 19.8 4.0 2.2 6.2 .147 3.0
23 Enes Kanter C 22 TOT 75 2135 20.3 .564 .048 .252 14.6 20.5 17.6 4.8 0.9 1.1 12.3 24.7 4.3 2.1 6.4 .145 -0.1
24 Jon. Jerebko PF 27 TOT 75 1230 15.0 .549 .369 .174 8.0 17.2 12.5 9.0 1.9 1.1 9.7 16.2 2.0 1.4 3.5 .135 0.9
25 K. Middleton PF 23 MIL 79 2378 15.6 .563 .308 .180 2.3 14.3 8.4 12.7 2.6 0.4 10.8 19.9 3.2 3.5 6.7 .135 2.0
26 Alexey Shved SG 26 TOT 42 767 19.5 .541 .415 .448 3.3 11.7 7.3 25.7 2.0 0.6 10.7 26.3 1.7 0.5 2.2 .135 0.5
27 Brandon Bass PF 29 BOS 82 1929 16.3 .557 .047 .313 7.8 14.9 11.3 8.6 1.1 1.3 9.6 19.5 3.4 1.9 5.3 .132 0.7
28 Dorell Wright SF 29 POR 48 592 13.4 .525 .568 .221 2.6 17.2 10.0 10.2 1.7 1.3 7.9 17.1 0.7 0.8 1.6 .128 0.4
29 Lavoy Allen PF 25 IND 63 1070 14.9 .493 .000 .157 12.8 20.5 16.7 10.9 0.7 3.1 11.1 15.2 1.3 1.6 2.8 .127 0.8
30 Amir Johnson PF 27 TOR 75 1979 15.4 .603 .089 .249 9.3 17.3 13.3 9.4 1.1 2.4 16.0 15.7 3.5 1.6 5.1 .124 1.9Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 ▾ VORP
31 Goran Dragic PG 28 TOT 78 2640 17.4 .577 .258 .234 3.5 8.2 5.9 22.8 1.5 0.5 13.5 21.8 5.4 1.4 6.8 .123 2.1
32 Joel Freeland C 27 POR 48 617 12.2 .522 .000 .166 11.0 21.9 16.6 3.8 0.7 2.7 12.4 13.4 0.6 0.9 1.6 .122 0.0
33 Tha Sefolosha SF 30 ATL 52 976 13.8 .506 .313 .233 6.4 19.3 13.1 11.2 2.8 1.8 12.2 14.6 0.8 1.7 2.5 .121 0.8
34 Omer Asik C 28 NOP 76 1982 15.5 .545 .000 .546 14.0 28.8 21.4 5.4 0.8 2.1 15.7 14.0 2.8 2.2 5.0 .120 0.6
35 Kosta Koufos C 25 MEM 81 1348 14.2 .530 .000 .237 10.3 25.8 18.1 4.3 1.1 3.9 14.9 15.8 0.8 2.5 3.3 .118 0.2
36 Jae Crowder SF 24 TOT 82 1647 13.9 .517 .382 .259 4.7 14.9 9.7 8.6 2.2 1.2 7.5 17.5 1.9 2.0 3.9 .113 1.1
37 Cole Aldrich C 26 NYK 61 976 18.1 .513 .000 .213 11.6 28.9 20.0 13.3 2.0 5.5 15.2 18.3 0.8 1.4 2.2 .107 0.7
38 Bran Knight PG 23 TOT 63 2035 17.1 .543 .361 .251 1.6 12.0 6.8 27.4 2.3 0.4 16.1 25.9 2.0 2.5 4.5 .106 1.6
39 Reg Jackson PG 24 TOT 77 2268 17.2 .511 .242 .219 2.6 12.9 7.8 34.8 1.4 0.3 14.6 24.6 3.3 1.7 4.9 .104 1.6
40 Mar Belinelli SG 28 SAS 62 1388 12.4 .553 .489 .211 2.2 10.5 6.4 10.3 1.1 0.2 10.6 18.8 1.5 1.4 2.9 .100 0.5
41 Tobias Harris SF 22 ORL 68 2369 16.7 .551 .252 .258 3.4 17.3 10.3 8.8 1.5 1.2 9.8 22.5 3.0 1.8 4.8 .098 1.0
nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Enes Kanter Value over Replacement Player: -0.1! Ouch!
His recent good play wasn't enough to make up for an entire season.
I know Monroe isn't a sexy option but he isn't nearly as bad as people make him out to be. He's got solid numbers and I think he was misused in Detroit.good player inside of 3 feet. Outside? Not so much.
You say that like it's a bad thing. In the Triangle we need a player who can score at a good clip inside and pass the ball at a high level. We actually don't need Monroe to be a great shooter from distance.
3+ feet is not distance.
mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Enes Kanter Value over Replacement Player: -0.1! Ouch!
His recent good play wasn't enough to make up for an entire season.
I know Monroe isn't a sexy option but he isn't nearly as bad as people make him out to be. He's got solid numbers and I think he was misused in Detroit.good player inside of 3 feet. Outside? Not so much.
You say that like it's a bad thing. In the Triangle we need a player who can score at a good clip inside and pass the ball at a high level. We actually don't need Monroe to be a great shooter from distance.3+ feet is not distance.
I still don't understand your point. We don't need Monroe to score away from the basket. We need him to get low position and help to create space between the perimeter players and him. That will make the offense work much better. He's a very capable passer and rebounder. I fail to see your point in this regard. Why do you think I posted the video of Bynum? Most of his scoring was right in the paint, exactly where Monroe is effective.
nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Enes Kanter Value over Replacement Player: -0.1! Ouch!
His recent good play wasn't enough to make up for an entire season.
I know Monroe isn't a sexy option but he isn't nearly as bad as people make him out to be. He's got solid numbers and I think he was misused in Detroit.good player inside of 3 feet. Outside? Not so much.
You say that like it's a bad thing. In the Triangle we need a player who can score at a good clip inside and pass the ball at a high level. We actually don't need Monroe to be a great shooter from distance.3+ feet is not distance.
I still don't understand your point. We don't need Monroe to score away from the basket. We need him to get low position and help to create space between the perimeter players and him. That will make the offense work much better. He's a very capable passer and rebounder. I fail to see your point in this regard. Why do you think I posted the video of Bynum? Most of his scoring was right in the paint, exactly where Monroe is effective.
if monroe was a super efficient down low then we could live with him not being a stretch. However, he is not super efficient there and happens to also take a lot of shots beyond 3 feet which he is awful at.
mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Enes Kanter Value over Replacement Player: -0.1! Ouch!
His recent good play wasn't enough to make up for an entire season.
I know Monroe isn't a sexy option but he isn't nearly as bad as people make him out to be. He's got solid numbers and I think he was misused in Detroit.good player inside of 3 feet. Outside? Not so much.
You say that like it's a bad thing. In the Triangle we need a player who can score at a good clip inside and pass the ball at a high level. We actually don't need Monroe to be a great shooter from distance.3+ feet is not distance.
I still don't understand your point. We don't need Monroe to score away from the basket. We need him to get low position and help to create space between the perimeter players and him. That will make the offense work much better. He's a very capable passer and rebounder. I fail to see your point in this regard. Why do you think I posted the video of Bynum? Most of his scoring was right in the paint, exactly where Monroe is effective.if monroe was a super efficient down low then we could live with him not being a stretch. However, he is not super efficient there and happens to also take a lot of shots beyond 3 feet which he is awful at.
For one thing how he has played in Detroit will not be who he plays here in NY. If he was on this team he would be put in a position to excel and be more efficient. He'd end up taking fewer shots outside of his sweet spot. That's how this offense works with a low post big. It's not just his shots but how he impacts the offense as a whole. We need a low post option who can hold his place down low and keep the defense stretched. Our spacing is wrong without a dependable low post threat.
Don't judge players only by how they play on other teams in completely different offenses. This system is completely different than the one Monroe plays in. His mere presence close to the basket will draw attention defensively and that will create more openings for the perimeter players. The hopeful improvement of our perimeter players will help him as well. It's a system that should really enhance his strengths.
nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Enes Kanter Value over Replacement Player: -0.1! Ouch!
His recent good play wasn't enough to make up for an entire season.
I know Monroe isn't a sexy option but he isn't nearly as bad as people make him out to be. He's got solid numbers and I think he was misused in Detroit.good player inside of 3 feet. Outside? Not so much.
You say that like it's a bad thing. In the Triangle we need a player who can score at a good clip inside and pass the ball at a high level. We actually don't need Monroe to be a great shooter from distance.
Watching that video- it's a real shame what happened to Bynum's career, seemed to happen so quick.
At the least, if we do draft OK4, I could see Bynum as a mentor for him and how to execute in the Triangle
Not sure if is career is done but for a BIG like OK4, a good development coach would be Bynum
He is still quite young but has had multiple surguries already but he could certainly help as a mentor, whether as a player or develoment coach if we land OK4
RonRon wrote:both Bynum and Blatche could be CHEAP BIGS and have good value/risk/rewardAt the least, if we do draft OK4, I could see Bynum as a mentor for him and how to execute in the Triangle
Not sure if is career is done but for a BIG like OK4, a good development coach would be BynumHe is still quite young but has had multiple surguries already but he could certainly help as a mentor, whether as a player or develoment coach if we land OK4
I can understand how you feel but let's remember that not every good player is good at teaching. It takes specific skills and temperament to be a teacher. Just as not all men are natural leaders or mentors.
OK4 has had good coaching so far and I would only guess that his people made sure he is getting the best training he can get right now. Most of these kids are getting ready for the combines and workouts with top trainers.
PER 25 TS% .611 WS/48 200
BRIGGS wrote:Kanter's play with OKC in 26 games.PER 25 TS% .611 WS/48 200
Those numbers are impressive, tho he also wasn't very good defensively. Kanter wouldn't solve our pressing need for a defensive big. We also have to keep in mind his very short stint. It could be that he's able to play like this for an entire season but chances are he'll come down from those numbers. The other big question is how much would it take to pry him away from OKC?
nixluva wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Kanter's play with OKC in 26 games.PER 25 TS% .611 WS/48 200
Those numbers are impressive, tho he also wasn't very good defensively. Kanter wouldn't solve our pressing need for a defensive big. We also have to keep in mind his very short stint. It could be that he's able to play like this for an entire season but chances are he'll come down from those numbers. The other big question is how much would it take to pry him away from OKC?
I think 4 years 64mm a no trade clause and a 10mm trade kicker to boot would do it. I think we can get two defensive bigs from this draft. Also hes the youngest guy on the list.
BRIGGS wrote:nixluva wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Kanter's play with OKC in 26 games.PER 25 TS% .611 WS/48 200
Those numbers are impressive, tho he also wasn't very good defensively. Kanter wouldn't solve our pressing need for a defensive big. We also have to keep in mind his very short stint. It could be that he's able to play like this for an entire season but chances are he'll come down from those numbers. The other big question is how much would it take to pry him away from OKC?I think 4 years 64mm a no trade clause and a 10mm trade kicker to boot would do it. I think we can get two defensive bigs from this draft. Also hes the youngest guy on the list.
Kanter's youth makes him one of the better value's. I'm pretty sure the Knicks noticed his performance in OKC. It's not something you'd tend to ignore when you're already looking at every top FA big. One positive in Kanter's favor is that he's versatile. He could play next to Towns or even OK4, even tho he's not a shot blocker.
I really think most fans and media are way too pessimistic given the opportunity this team has to actually sign a couple of the quality FA's that will be available. In addition to our pick adding 2-3 impactful players from the WS/48 list above, like Kanter, would have a positive impact on this roster. These are not players who are just along for the ride. They're way above average production and impactful players.
nixluva wrote:BRIGGS wrote:nixluva wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Kanter's play with OKC in 26 games.PER 25 TS% .611 WS/48 200
Those numbers are impressive, tho he also wasn't very good defensively. Kanter wouldn't solve our pressing need for a defensive big. We also have to keep in mind his very short stint. It could be that he's able to play like this for an entire season but chances are he'll come down from those numbers. The other big question is how much would it take to pry him away from OKC?I think 4 years 64mm a no trade clause and a 10mm trade kicker to boot would do it. I think we can get two defensive bigs from this draft. Also hes the youngest guy on the list.
Kanter's youth makes him one of the better value's. I'm pretty sure the Knicks noticed his performance in OKC. It's not something you'd tend to ignore when you're already looking at every top FA big. One positive in Kanter's favor is that he's versatile. He could play next to Towns or even OK4, even tho he's not a shot blocker.I really think most fans and media are way too pessimistic given the opportunity this team has to actually sign a couple of the quality FA's that will be available. In addition to our pick adding 2-3 impactful players from the WS/48 list above, like Kanter, would have a positive impact on this roster. These are not players who are just along for the ride. They're way above average production and impactful players.
I think if we got Kanter and Towns--we couldve been in the ECF next year with some additional add in moves. A frontline of Kanter Towns and Carmelo would be very tough in the east. You add in some additional guards some shot blocking--we wouldnt have to wait five years or play some kind of system--we'd just beat teams playing good ball.
BRIGGS wrote:nixluva wrote:BRIGGS wrote:nixluva wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Kanter's play with OKC in 26 games.PER 25 TS% .611 WS/48 200
Those numbers are impressive, tho he also wasn't very good defensively. Kanter wouldn't solve our pressing need for a defensive big. We also have to keep in mind his very short stint. It could be that he's able to play like this for an entire season but chances are he'll come down from those numbers. The other big question is how much would it take to pry him away from OKC?I think 4 years 64mm a no trade clause and a 10mm trade kicker to boot would do it. I think we can get two defensive bigs from this draft. Also hes the youngest guy on the list.
Kanter's youth makes him one of the better value's. I'm pretty sure the Knicks noticed his performance in OKC. It's not something you'd tend to ignore when you're already looking at every top FA big. One positive in Kanter's favor is that he's versatile. He could play next to Towns or even OK4, even tho he's not a shot blocker.I really think most fans and media are way too pessimistic given the opportunity this team has to actually sign a couple of the quality FA's that will be available. In addition to our pick adding 2-3 impactful players from the WS/48 list above, like Kanter, would have a positive impact on this roster. These are not players who are just along for the ride. They're way above average production and impactful players.
I think if we got Kanter and Towns--we couldve been in the ECF next year with some additional add in moves. A frontline of Kanter Towns and Carmelo would be very tough in the east. You add in some additional guards some shot blocking--we wouldnt have to wait five years or play some kind of system--we'd just beat teams playing good ball.
Melo, Towns, Kanter and one of the SG's in FA could be a very nice core. It's a very doable revamp of the top of the rotation. It all comes down to the lottery. Once we see where we draft it will make the rest of the process so much clearer. A top 4 pick is gonna give this team a great present and future going forward IMO.
I might add that the Triangle is "playing good ball". It's merely a means of getting great ball and player movement and spacing. It should make good players better. Still as you say it's always about the Talent First. Get good talent and you will stand a better chance of winning. Better talent makes any system work better and it will be the same for the Triangle.
nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Enes Kanter Value over Replacement Player: -0.1! Ouch!
His recent good play wasn't enough to make up for an entire season.
I know Monroe isn't a sexy option but he isn't nearly as bad as people make him out to be. He's got solid numbers and I think he was misused in Detroit.good player inside of 3 feet. Outside? Not so much.
You say that like it's a bad thing. In the Triangle we need a player who can score at a good clip inside and pass the ball at a high level. We actually don't need Monroe to be a great shooter from distance.3+ feet is not distance.
I still don't understand your point. We don't need Monroe to score away from the basket. We need him to get low position and help to create space between the perimeter players and him. That will make the offense work much better. He's a very capable passer and rebounder. I fail to see your point in this regard. Why do you think I posted the video of Bynum? Most of his scoring was right in the paint, exactly where Monroe is effective.if monroe was a super efficient down low then we could live with him not being a stretch. However, he is not super efficient there and happens to also take a lot of shots beyond 3 feet which he is awful at.
For one thing how he has played in Detroit will not be who he plays here in NY. If he was on this team he would be put in a position to excel and be more efficient. He'd end up taking fewer shots outside of his sweet spot. That's how this offense works with a low post big. It's not just his shots but how he impacts the offense as a whole. We need a low post option who can hold his place down low and keep the defense stretched. Our spacing is wrong without a dependable low post threat.Don't judge players only by how they play on other teams in completely different offenses. This system is completely different than the one Monroe plays in. His mere presence close to the basket will draw attention defensively and that will create more openings for the perimeter players. The hopeful improvement of our perimeter players will help him as well. It's a system that should really enhance his strengths.
Maybe its a system that will not enhance him (too many assumptions) ... He is decent but not max good IMHO. I would not be pissed if we got him but not excited.
mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:mreinman wrote:nixluva wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Enes Kanter Value over Replacement Player: -0.1! Ouch!
His recent good play wasn't enough to make up for an entire season.
I know Monroe isn't a sexy option but he isn't nearly as bad as people make him out to be. He's got solid numbers and I think he was misused in Detroit.good player inside of 3 feet. Outside? Not so much.
You say that like it's a bad thing. In the Triangle we need a player who can score at a good clip inside and pass the ball at a high level. We actually don't need Monroe to be a great shooter from distance.3+ feet is not distance.
I still don't understand your point. We don't need Monroe to score away from the basket. We need him to get low position and help to create space between the perimeter players and him. That will make the offense work much better. He's a very capable passer and rebounder. I fail to see your point in this regard. Why do you think I posted the video of Bynum? Most of his scoring was right in the paint, exactly where Monroe is effective.if monroe was a super efficient down low then we could live with him not being a stretch. However, he is not super efficient there and happens to also take a lot of shots beyond 3 feet which he is awful at.
For one thing how he has played in Detroit will not be who he plays here in NY. If he was on this team he would be put in a position to excel and be more efficient. He'd end up taking fewer shots outside of his sweet spot. That's how this offense works with a low post big. It's not just his shots but how he impacts the offense as a whole. We need a low post option who can hold his place down low and keep the defense stretched. Our spacing is wrong without a dependable low post threat.Don't judge players only by how they play on other teams in completely different offenses. This system is completely different than the one Monroe plays in. His mere presence close to the basket will draw attention defensively and that will create more openings for the perimeter players. The hopeful improvement of our perimeter players will help him as well. It's a system that should really enhance his strengths.
Maybe its a system that will not enhance him (too many assumptions) ... He is decent but not max good IMHO. I would not be pissed if we got him but not excited.
It seems that you're just being obtuse now. Why are you just playing the "i'll play Devil's advocate" game with whatever I say? Follow the logic. The reason i'm even mentioning Style of play is that there's simply no comparison between how the Pistons used Monroe and how he'd be used in NY in the low post role in the Triangle. I posted a video to show just how Monroe would fit into the offense. It's not something i'm making up. It's a legit and proven role that fits Monroe's skills perfectly. He can hold low post position, pass effectively and score in the post. Those are the main needs of the job. There's literally no reason to think that he'd somehow not play well doing what he's best at doing in a system designed for what he does best.
nixluva wrote:In trying to be more METRIC in our approach to building a top 6 rotation this summer, I think we should prioritize Free Agents along the lines of their Win Share 48 rankings. I say this since it seems the only way to avoid the bickering about players that goes on where some view a player as worth it and others don't. So to make it as fair as possible it seems that this is one way to cut the noise and just make a list that is essentially BPA by it's nature. Like a Pro Draft.So i've compiled this list of Free Agents with the best WS/48. Now you also have to look at the players Age, TS%, PER, WS, minutes and games played etc., but this at least gives us a means to compare a free agent's value and possible impact. According to Basketball Reference the league average is at .100 so I didn't add any players at or below that level. There were a LOT of players below that level.
Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% WS WS/48 ▾
1 Brandan Wright PF 27 TOT 66 1214 21.6 .681 5.7 .227
2 DeAndre Jordan C 26 LAC 71 2455 20.5 .641 10.6 .207
3 Jimmy Butler SG 25 CHI 56 2180 21.0 .577 9.3 .204
4 Jeremy Evans SF 27 UTA 28 144 18.1 .586 0.6 .190
5 Kawhi Leonard SF 23 SAS 52 1669 21.1 .551 6.5 .186
6 Marc Gasol C 30 MEM 70 2361 21.7 .561 9.1 .185
7 LaMarcus Aldridge PF 29 POR 61 2180 22.8 .528 7.6 .168
8 Draymond Green SF 24 GSW 71 2258 16.5 .543 7.9 .168
9 Kevin Love PF 26 CLE 67 2296 18.9 .556 8.0 .167
10 Alexis Ajinca C 26 NOP 56 816 20.1 .601 2.7 .162
11 Paul Millsap PF 29 ATL 67 2218 19.9 .568 7.5 .162
12 Danny Green SG 27 SAS 69 2036 16.7 .588 6.7 .157
13 Jeff Withey C 24 NOP 35 248 18.1 .570 0.8 .157
14 Bismack Biyombo C 22 CHO 51 887 15.0 .578 2.9 .154
15 Jerome Jordan C 28 BRK 41 366 16.8 .609 1.2 .151
16 John Jenkins SG 23 ATL 18 190 15.9 .689 0.6 .150
17 DeMarre Carroll SF 28 ATL 60 1887 15.1 .594 5.8 .148
18 Robin Lopez C 26 POR 46 1302 16.1 .564 4.0 .148
19 Wesley Matthews SG 28 POR 60 2024 16.1 .585 6.2 .148
20 Greg Monroe PF 24 DET 64 1991 21.0 .548 6.1 .148
21 Tristan Thompson PF 23 CLE 72 1970 15.6 .577 6.0 .147
22 Anthony Morrow SG 29 OKC 63 1504 14.2 .594 4.5 .145
23 Lavoy Allen PF 25 IND 51 945 16.0 .513 2.8 .144
24 Jeff Ayres PF 27 SAS 41 316 13.7 .616 0.9 .144
25 Cory Joseph PG 23 SAS 67 1273 15.3 .565 3.7 .141
26 Khris Middleton PF 23 MIL 68 2024 15.8 .566 5.8 .139
27 Alexey Shved SG 26 TOT 42 767 19.5 .541 2.2 .135
28 Jonas Jerebko PF 27 TOT 63 1016 14.5 .559 2.8 .132
29 Goran Dragic SG-PG 28 TOT 67 2254 17.7 .580 6.2 .131
30 Enes Kanter C 22 TOT 64 1780 19.5 .555 4.8 .130
31 Omer Asik C 28 NOP 64 1666 16.0 .554 4.4 .126
32 Brandon Bass PF 29 BOS 70 1633 16.4 .549 4.3 .126
33 Amir Johnson PF 27 TOR 68 1810 15.2 .604 4.6 .121
34 Luis Scola PF 34 IND 69 1420 16.7 .513 3.6 .121
35 Greg Smith PF 24 DAL 40 355 10.6 .614 0.9 .117
36 Brandon Knight PG-SG 23 TOT 62 2013 17.5 .547 4.7 .112
37 Kosta Koufos C 25 MEM 70 1162 13.6 .525 2.7 .111
38 John Lucas PG 32 DET 12 140 14.9 .472 0.3 .110
39 Jae Crowder SF 24 TOT 71 1374 13.9 .513 3.1 .109
40 Joel Freeland C 27 POR 37 476 11.0 .495 1.0 .105
41 Marco Belinelli SG 28 SAS 51 1165 12.8 .557 2.5 .102SO! This is a very interesting list and picking players from it would seem to make the most sense in terms of measurable impact. Purely clinical. No passion involved.
what happened to this nixluva?
why are we not doing the same exercise?