Knicks · Would you trade Carmelo for a top 4 pick? (page 2)

Stevo718 wrote:Assuming we draft in the top four would you also trade Melo for another top four pick and who would you pick with those two top four picks?

Which team in the top (bottom) four would want to trade their pick for Anthony, that is the real question.

Maybe LA, if they are in that position... but you would think that they would step away from taking on another max contract to replace the one that is weighing them down now. Not sure why Philly or Minnesota would want Anthony, either.

You would need a contending team who owns the pick of a poor team and thinks Anthony is the final piece for their team. Is there any team like that in this draft?

Besides one of the bigs, I would look at Russell or Winslow. I'm not a Stanley Johnson fan, and I just don't know enough about Mudiay. I do like Kaminsky, though. If you take OK4, and you want to go big, you might want to look at a Stein. If you believe this draft is deep, you might trade one of the picks for two #1s in this draft. Again, I'm not sure if this kind of trade partner exists.

franco12 wrote:I would trade Melo for any first round pick.

I'm worried he is too old, too hurt and paid too much for where we are as a franchise.

I'm ok with going into next season with him- hopefully healthy- but lets face its going to be 2-3 years before we really have a better team here.

+1

Melo is injured and owed $100 mil. I think an optimistic but not delusional trade might be something like Bradley, Wallace, Turner, and Boston's lottery pick for Melo. They're giving us a lottery pick and 60 mil in savings. They're basically signing Melo to a 60 mil 4 year contract while giving up a late lottery pick. It might be doable only if you replace Boston's pick with the Clippers' pick (which Boston currently has), though.

TripleThreat wrote:

Stevo718 wrote:Assuming we draft in the top four would you also trade Melo for another top four pick and who would you pick with those two top four picks?

Even without a top 4 pick back in return, I think if you can move Melo off the roster without taking back bad contracts, then I would see it as addition by subtraction.

Also keeping Melo is in conflict with an actual rebuild of a NBA franchise from the ground up.

Nixluva believes in a push hard while rearming scenario, of which only Houston has really pulled that type of build off after some serious gutting ( losing Ming and McGrady essentially to injuries) And Zen Master is simply not in the class of Daryl Morey when it comes to cap/contract manipulation/wheeling and dealing.

Melo can help *A* NBA team, I just don't see how he can help the current Knicks

Also, Melo played a lot of terrible ball this season. He was mostly awful. For somebody who is supposed to be so good, he doesn't get off with the excuse that the talent around him is poor. Good players still strive to play well under any conditions. The only thing Melo showed was an even deeper regression into ball hoggery than previously. If his injury was an excuse for playing dumb, then maybe the dummy should have shut it down earlier instead of his vanity play for the All-Star game. This season made him look pretty bad.

I would but...would Melo even agree to it

NYKBocker wrote:I would but...would Melo even agree to it

There's 17 Million extra reasons he would + he gets to avoid the wrath of NYC

TPercy wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:No

If we manage to land OK4, and he is able to bring that same offensive awareness to the pros, he and Melo will make a great tandem.

Plus, there is no player in this years draft that will ever be as talented as Melo

You don't watch any college ball this year to be making that kind of statement...

I watch enough and none of these kids compare to Melo when he was in Syracuse for his freshmen year. Thats what I'm basing it all on.

Swishfm3 wrote:

TPercy wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:No

If we manage to land OK4, and he is able to bring that same offensive awareness to the pros, he and Melo will make a great tandem.

Plus, there is no player in this years draft that will ever be as talented as Melo

You don't watch any college ball this year to be making that kind of statement...

I watch enough and none of these kids compare to Melo when he was in Syracuse for his freshmen year. Thats what I'm basing it all on.

Melo's game hasnt evolved since Syracuse when he used to bully kids. That is pretty unbelievable and the main reason he is not part of the "A" class

if we can move CA and get back a TOP draft pick
Depending if and how much salary we need to take back, would try to get Draymond Green or Millsap *what if Lopez opts out?, do what consider offer him a decent contract?*

Pairing Ajinica with either Towns or OK4 would be a great start
Giving Ajinica a shorter contract might actually hold a greater incentive for him, with the jump in 2017 in salary and guaranteed PT, he could choose New York even if it is for less salary....
Like a player option for 2nd year, 7m first year 7.5m 2nd year, or a 3 year deal, with final year being player/team option, so we get full bird rights to pay and possibly keep him if he wants "security"

Could still try to go over the cap with either Cole Aldrich or Acey with early bird rights and use it mainly on one player like

Danny Green/Wesley Matthewws/ Carroll

or divide it to get a couple of players, maybe some even with D League/Undrafted player to 3year deals team options

like Thanasis/Orlando Sanchez

Along with players like

Koufus
Mo Williams/Shved/Lin
Randy Foye *team option*

Wesley Johnson
Budinger *player option if he opts out*

Lavoy Allen/Ed Davis/Serephin

CA wants to compete now, if he doesn't want to go through the rebuilding process in NYK at this point of his career, change may be best for both sides*
Unless we do not get a TOP 3 pick, I think we have to go YOUNG and do a rebuild, at least to clear salary for 2017 and then try to contend from there....
Then whoever we can get after with the pick in no order

Russell
Justise Winslow

Mario Hezonja
Stein
Kaminksi

Kristaps Porzingis

I really can not imagine CA wanting to go to LA at this point, unless Love and or others join him
I think there is a greater he chance he would want to join a team like Houston and maybe even OKC to play with Harden or Westrbrook than Kobe with his injuries

Stevo718 wrote:Assuming we draft in the top four would you also trade Melo for another top four pick and who would you pick with those two top four picks?

I would absolutely love to have another top 4 pick and come out of this draft with one of Towns/OK4 and one of D.Russell/E.Mudiay preferably Towns/Russell but any combo would be nice but there's no way Melo will agree to a trade to Philly, Minnesota or Orlando and i really don't see him wanting to go to the Lakers either. I know a lot of people think he chose to stay with the Knicks was mostly based on money but i truly think he wanted to stay with the Knicks because of his love for the city, the organization and wanting to win a championship with the Knicks so i don't see him leaving the Knicks. Now in two years if he doesn't see us in position to contend with the Knicks then i can see him and Phil coming up with a plan to trade him elsewhere. But it would be nice to have two top 4 picks.

WaltLongmire wrote:Bargs has been a different player since he started looking like the Wolverine...

Bargs has always been a guy that can score 15-20 points whenever he wants to but he just hasn't been healthy.

WaltLongmire wrote:

Stevo718 wrote:Assuming we draft in the top four would you also trade Melo for another top four pick and who would you pick with those two top four picks?

Which team in the top (bottom) four would want to trade their pick for Anthony, that is the real question.

Maybe LA, if they are in that position... but you would think that they would step away from taking on another max contract to replace the one that is weighing them down now. Not sure why Philly or Minnesota would want Anthony, either.

You would need a contending team who owns the pick of a poor team and thinks Anthony is the final piece for their team. Is there any team like that in this draft?

Besides one of the bigs, I would look at Russell or Winslow. I'm not a Stanley Johnson fan, and I just don't know enough about Mudiay. I do like Kaminsky, though. If you take OK4, and you want to go big, you might want to look at a Stein. If you believe this draft is deep, you might trade one of the picks for two #1s in this draft. Again, I'm not sure if this kind of trade partner exists.

Hell yes there's teams that think adding Melo would make them a contending team. If you put Melo on Minnesota who has a really good young team and some really good young players in A.Wiggins, Z.Lavine, G.Dieng, K.Martin, R.Rubio and others they would be a good team. There's plenty of teams that would love to get Melo but it isn't gonna happen because Melo has to agree to any trade.

I don't think there is any chance of this happening but I do think that it is good news that he is rehabbing at msg now.

technomaster wrote:Would a team with a top 4 pick trade for Carmelo?

Possibly the Lakers would do it. They're going to be in Starphuck mode soon, with the end of Kobe in sight.

I would trade Melo for a second top 4 pick in a heartbeat, as it makes way more sense to do a full rebuild since we won't be in position to maximize Melo's contention window.

Not sure why he wants to be on a full rebuild team. Smarts was never his thing.

CrushAlot wrote:I don't think there is any chance of this happening but I do think that it is good news that he is rehabbing at msg now.

if somebody offered us a top 4 pick for him id do it in a heartbeat but i agree it wont happen for a variety of reasons

newyorker4ever wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Bargs has been a different player since he started looking like the Wolverine...

Bargs has always been a guy that can score 15-20 points whenever he wants to but he just hasn't been healthy.

Said it before...will say it again- This is a very good offensive scheme for him. Gives him good shots and keeps him away from the 3pt line for the most part.

If healthy...a damn big "if," and if we can resign him on favorable terms, I feel he is worth keeping around, despite what some folks feel about him.

Could not have him in a front court with Anthony (at 3)and OK4(at %), though. That would be a defensive disaster.

I know he won't do it, but I would love to see the guy actually do some training during the offseason to put some muscle onto his frame. Maybe it helps him stay healthy, AND gives him him some advantages on the floor.

It's not that I don't like Melo, I actually do. He's an amazing scorer and would be a great piece if we were anywhere near contending. But since we're not, and he will be considerably older once we are, I think we owe it to our future to sell high, get another lotto pick this year and whatever other assets we can muster. It would hopefully give Melo an opportunity to go for a chip. And it would give us an honest-to-goodness rebuild. A chance also for Jax to establish an enduring legacy.

No, we don't have our 2016 pick. You will be giving Raptors a top 5 pick next yr.

Doesn't Melo have a no-trade clause anyway?

chewy wrote:No, we don't have our 2016 pick. You will be giving Raptors a top 5 pick next yr.

not that it helps but denver has right to swap

WaltLongmire wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Bargs has been a different player since he started looking like the Wolverine...

Bargs has always been a guy that can score 15-20 points whenever he wants to but he just hasn't been healthy.

Said it before...will say it again- This is a very good offensive scheme for him. Gives him good shots and keeps him away from the 3pt line for the most part.

If healthy...a damn big "if," and if we can resign him on favorable terms, I feel he is worth keeping around, despite what some folks feel about him.

Could not have him in a front court with Anthony (at 3)and OK4(at %), though. That would be a defensive disaster.

I know he won't do it, but I would love to see the guy actually do some training during the offseason to put some muscle onto his frame. Maybe it helps him stay healthy, AND gives him him some advantages on the floor.

Love how bemused the Celtic player is in that pic. Like he's thinking "does this guy know their record this season?"