Knicks · Another cheaper option C Aron Baynes (page 1)

Every time I watch the Spurs this guy plays well and hes a free agent.

早安，

Keep up the good work, BRIGGS. Once you make a thread for every player available,
there will be no shot of you being wrong.

Hector wrote:早安，

Keep up the good work, BRIGGS. Once you make a thread for every player available,
there will be no shot of you being wrong.

Who cares if he's wrong? Dude adds a lot to this site. Im sure he's not posting to be right or wrong. At least he pits himself out there in regards to players/prospects

Hector wrote:早安，

Keep up the good work, BRIGGS. Once you make a thread for every player available,
there will be no shot of you being wrong.

ouch! lol.

see sometimes players are good because theyre in the right system. sometimes theyre REALLY that good. you never know. Lets just say, i dont think Baynes is REALLY that good. If i had to pick up a back up big who is underrated Id pick up Ajinca(for $4mill)or Muscala

izybx wrote:

Hector wrote:早安，

Keep up the good work, BRIGGS. Once you make a thread for every player available,
there will be no shot of you being wrong.

Who cares if he's wrong? Dude adds a lot to this site. Im sure he's not posting to be right or wrong. At least he pits himself out there in regards to players/prospects

Yes, this.

As I always say, it you're going to pilfer players no better place than the SA Spurs to go shopping. They have great scouting and development and they go after the kinds of players who we want as well. Smart and well rounded. Guys like this go under the radar, but you have to be astute enough to recognize the value you can get with guys who are still developing but could be on the cusp of being productive NBA players. There are a good bunch of guys like him out there who would welcome a chance to have a bigger role. This is what Phil has been alluding to in Free Agency.

You know... I could actually see Phil signing him. He made $2mm last year and I would give him a look at Jason Smith money. $3mm with an option. Why? He doesnt really have NBA talent or athleticism, and he plays like he knows it. Dude is very physical from what I have seen. Is he always like that? Could he be a little more than a 15 minute a game guy??? His stats for the year say he's very effective off the bench

fishmike wrote:You know... I could actually see Phil signing him. He made $2mm last year and I would give him a look at Jason Smith money. $3mm with an option. Why? He doesnt really have NBA talent or athleticism, and he plays like he knows it. Dude is very physical from what I have seen. Is he always like that? Could he be a little more than a 15 minute a game guy??? His stats for the year say he's very effective off the bench

OMG hes so much better than Jason Smith. Jason Smith is terrible. Phil has thrown a lot of darts already and we have little ROI. Baynes is a smart player and hes 6-10 260 and the opposite of raw or inconsistent.

Has anyone even mentioned Aron Baynes? You know how I caught him--I keep watching the Spurs--the Spurs really play 13 guys a lot and some of these guys just stay hidden behind the bigger names. This guy is HIGH IQ 6-10 260 and would not cost and arm and a leg. If we get a young guy--a Towns a Okafor--wouldnt a guy like this make sense if we want to spread the wealth around? Doesnt he even make much more sense than Monroe for example $ for $. This guy plays harder than Monroe better defense. He looks like he could really add something especially given extended minutes. Think about this with nall of the threads that have been made not 1 person has brought this name up but its a good name from a great team. He looks much more sturdy than Anjica
.

Im starting to think set a foundation of vets with our younger players BUT not the shtty players we have.

Im thinking more Aron Baynes and Demmare Carroll. If we get a Towns or Okafor--it might be smarter to get good efficient vets from winning teams than any 1 whopping contract.

I like him ... but then again, I like everyone on SA. Their system and players make players better.

How would Jason Smith do in SA? Probably much better then in this horrible long jumper heavy system.

I like D Carroll too. I hope the we bring in hard working players like this and hopefully run them through a better system.

Can Fisher get the best out of players like SA?

Lots of variables but I like these types of players however, I worry that they would not shine in NY. Too many things on the knicks can make you look bad. If our star set a better example by looking for his teammates, that would be a good start.

BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:You know... I could actually see Phil signing him. He made $2mm last year and I would give him a look at Jason Smith money. $3mm with an option. Why? He doesnt really have NBA talent or athleticism, and he plays like he knows it. Dude is very physical from what I have seen. Is he always like that? Could he be a little more than a 15 minute a game guy??? His stats for the year say he's very effective off the bench

OMG hes so much better than Jason Smith. Jason Smith is terrible. Phil has thrown a lot of darts already and we have little ROI. Baynes is a smart player and hes 6-10 260 and the opposite of raw or inconsistent.

Has anyone even mentioned Aron Baynes? You know how I caught him--I keep watching the Spurs--the Spurs really play 13 guys a lot and some of these guys just stay hidden behind the bigger names. This guy is HIGH IQ 6-10 260 and would not cost and arm and a leg. If we get a young guy--a Towns a Okafor--wouldnt a guy like this make sense if we want to spread the wealth around? Doesnt he even make much more sense than Monroe for example $ for $. This guy plays harder than Monroe better defense. He looks like he could really add something especially given extended minutes. Think about this with nall of the threads that have been made not 1 person has brought this name up but its a good name from a great team. He looks much more sturdy than Anjica
.

I bet Jason Smith would look pretty good on the Spurs actually... but I only said Jason Smith money, no other reference to the player.

Also Baynes has NOT been good before this year. I didnt even know who he was before this year and his stats before this year are positively Jason Smith like... terrible. Keep him on the radar. He could be a nice bench/role guy.

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:You know... I could actually see Phil signing him. He made $2mm last year and I would give him a look at Jason Smith money. $3mm with an option. Why? He doesnt really have NBA talent or athleticism, and he plays like he knows it. Dude is very physical from what I have seen. Is he always like that? Could he be a little more than a 15 minute a game guy??? His stats for the year say he's very effective off the bench

OMG hes so much better than Jason Smith. Jason Smith is terrible. Phil has thrown a lot of darts already and we have little ROI. Baynes is a smart player and hes 6-10 260 and the opposite of raw or inconsistent.

Has anyone even mentioned Aron Baynes? You know how I caught him--I keep watching the Spurs--the Spurs really play 13 guys a lot and some of these guys just stay hidden behind the bigger names. This guy is HIGH IQ 6-10 260 and would not cost and arm and a leg. If we get a young guy--a Towns a Okafor--wouldnt a guy like this make sense if we want to spread the wealth around? Doesnt he even make much more sense than Monroe for example $ for $. This guy plays harder than Monroe better defense. He looks like he could really add something especially given extended minutes. Think about this with nall of the threads that have been made not 1 person has brought this name up but its a good name from a great team. He looks much more sturdy than Anjica
.

I bet Jason Smith would look pretty good on the Spurs actually... but I only said Jason Smith money, no other reference to the player.

Also Baynes has NOT been good before this year. I didnt even know who he was before this year and his stats before this year are positively Jason Smith like... terrible. Keep him on the radar. He could be a nice bench/role guy.

Maybe you're right--Smith has not been consistent here however. Baynes looks like he is more put together 6-11 260 vs 7-0 240. Looks like he can hit the mid range but will put more work at the hoop.

It makes no sense arguing over Baynes. The Knicks have bigger fish to fry at this point. He'll be an option like all the Free Agent bigs this year, but we have to keep things in perspective. We need a high caliber of talent at the top of our rotation and that's the priority. After we upgrade the top spots then we can look at the other spots in the rotation.

nixluva wrote:It makes no sense arguing over Baynes. The Knicks have bigger fish to fry at this point. He'll be an option like all the Free Agent bigs this year, but we have to keep things in perspective. We need a high caliber of talent at the top of our rotation and that's the priority. After we upgrade the top spots then we can look at the other spots in the rotation.

You're right. I'll worry over our second string center as soon as we figure out who the starting center is..

martin wrote:

izybx wrote:

Hector wrote:早安，

Keep up the good work, BRIGGS. Once you make a thread for every player available,
there will be no shot of you being wrong.

Who cares if he's wrong? Dude adds a lot to this site. Im sure he's not posting to be right or wrong. At least he pits himself out there in regards to players/prospects

Yes, this.

Yeah, at least he is trying!!!! Some of you just shoot down ideas but some actually put themselves out and actually are doing research!!!!

nixluva wrote:It makes no sense arguing over Baynes. The Knicks have bigger fish to fry at this point. He'll be an option like all the Free Agent bigs this year, but we have to keep things in perspective. We need a high caliber of talent at the top of our rotation and that's the priority. After we upgrade the top spots then we can look at the other spots in the rotation.

makes sense to me!

TripleThreat wrote:

callmened wrote:see sometimes players are good because theyre in the right system. sometimes theyre REALLY that good. you never know. Lets just say, i dont think Baynes is REALLY that good.

I quite like Baynes actually, but I think to best evaluate him, you'd have to focus on what will translate off the Spurs and with the Knicks.

What I like is that this kid is an absolute brick wall. He's not backing down from anyone. He's not afraid to mix it up with any other bigs in the league. The kid was born a little too late, I think he would have made a nice enforcer type in the older NBA era. He knows how to use his size, his footwork is actually decent, his ability to read the court is pretty developed considering how little he's played/plays. High motor and will be relentless on the boards.

Where this helps the Knicks is that their style of play just grinds the pace down to a halt. If you want to run and gun, Baynes gives you nothing. Slow the game down some, and Baynes can help you around the rim. Whenever I see him with the Spurs around another big, he does a good job knowing how to operate around someone else in the post. In a two man, pick and roll game, if you could balance him with a Galloway or Shved, that could be a pretty solid offensive combo.

Where he will hurt the Knicks is he's going to have problems cutting down the fouls. He's actually a little too cavalier with his passing for my tastes and the Triangle will expose that. Against teams that will want to push the pace and run, you'll have to take him off the floor.

Tricky thing is IMHO, when you don't have a ton of talent, I believe you are better off pushing the pace and staying in attack mode once you get the ball back on the other side of the floor.

But how the Knicks actually play, with the maddening Triangle that seems just dogmatic adherence than being practical to the roster, I think Baynes can fit. He's still raw enough to get marginally better. He's going to help with 2nd chance opportunities and cleaning up the byproduct of the inefficient shots that the Knicks ( read Melo Chucking ) are going to take, Triangle or not. Low ceiling high floor for a 4th big who won't hesitate to punch someone in the face.

Knicks need some grit. They just need a couple of player who are willing to bang it out. I could handle the lack of talent in the current frontcourt if it wasn't so damn soft. (How STAT survived all those years without Charles Oakley stabbing him in the face for that tough talk soft serve don't care/don't try matador defense, I'll never know. I just will never know) If the Knicks can get him for about 3 million per, I think that's as good value. I think he might get better than that though.

The Triangle is still a core problem with any of these free agent targets. It's going to create far too many practical tradeoffs to get the best value out of the Tier 4 and Tier 5 free agent pool.

this!

And its a big problem with coaches too. I am waiting to see any coach get it right. Lets see how Hodges does.

izybx wrote:

Hector wrote:早安，

Keep up the good work, BRIGGS. Once you make a thread for every player available,
there will be no shot of you being wrong.

Who cares if he's wrong? Dude adds a lot to this site. Im sure he's not posting to be right or wrong. At least he pits himself out there in regards to players/prospects

Excellent post....you couldve hit a home run if you said.....

Unlike some of you guys....searching all day for something negative to say.....instead of adding any real value.

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:

izybx wrote:

Hector wrote:早安，

Keep up the good work, BRIGGS. Once you make a thread for every player available,
there will be no shot of you being wrong.

Who cares if he's wrong? Dude adds a lot to this site. Im sure he's not posting to be right or wrong. At least he pits himself out there in regards to players/prospects

Yes, this.

Yeah, at least he is trying!!!! Some of you just shoot down ideas but some actually put themselves out and actually are doing research!!!!

70% of the ideas are whacked out of the sky whack.

I really don't care but the sillier shit I'm gonna call it out.

Hector wrote:

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:

izybx wrote:

Hector wrote:早安，

Keep up the good work, BRIGGS. Once you make a thread for every player available,
there will be no shot of you being wrong.

Who cares if he's wrong? Dude adds a lot to this site. Im sure he's not posting to be right or wrong. At least he pits himself out there in regards to players/prospects

Yes, this.

Yeah, at least he is trying!!!! Some of you just shoot down ideas but some actually put themselves out and actually are doing research!!!!

70% of the ideas are whacked out of the sky whack.

I really don't care but the sillier shit I'm gonna call it out.

Like what?

BRIGGS wrote:

Hector wrote:

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:

izybx wrote:

Hector wrote:早安，

Keep up the good work, BRIGGS. Once you make a thread for every player available,
there will be no shot of you being wrong.

Who cares if he's wrong? Dude adds a lot to this site. Im sure he's not posting to be right or wrong. At least he pits himself out there in regards to players/prospects

Yes, this.

Yeah, at least he is trying!!!! Some of you just shoot down ideas but some actually put themselves out and actually are doing research!!!!

70% of the ideas are whacked out of the sky whack.

I really don't care but the sillier shit I'm gonna call it out.

Like what?

Basically all your salary cap wizardry & creative structuring, but I've called them out when I've seen 'em & this place doesn't have a search function.

Basically 1.5 out of every 3 things you put out there.