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crzymdups wrote:People aren't gonna love this, but think of young Richard Jefferson not old Richard Jefferson. Justice Winslow reminds me of young Richard Jefferson - who was a very good player.

When I think of Richard Jefferson, I think of Channing Frye, then the color "Teal". Why?

Nalod wrote:

crzymdups wrote:People aren't gonna love this, but think of young Richard Jefferson not old Richard Jefferson. Justice Winslow reminds me of young Richard Jefferson - who was a very good player.

When I think of Richard Jefferson, I think of Channing Frye, then the color "Teal". Why?

Because you're an enlightened citizen of the 21st century.

crzymdups wrote:People aren't gonna love this, but think of young Richard Jefferson not old Richard Jefferson. Justice Winslow reminds me of young Richard Jefferson - who was a very good player.

Young Richard Jefferson was a quality starter, but no star. He always struggled when he was asked to carry that extra responsibility. I do see the butler comparisons with Winslow. He also reminds me a little bit of Quentin Richardson coming out of college. Richardson was a beast at Depaul, was built similarly to Winslow and had a lot of the same questions entering the draft.

crzymdups wrote:People aren't gonna love this, but think of young Richard Jefferson not old Richard Jefferson. Justice Winslow reminds me of young Richard Jefferson - who was a very good player.

Winslow could be an elite player on both side of the ball, I would certainly hope he becomes elite on at least one side of the ball (probably defense) if I am looking at his as a top5 pick. I dont see RJ as elite in any way. Very good player, but I want more out of my top 4 pick.

But yea.. very similar styles and types of players.. good call, I would just hope that JW has a higher ceiling

Knicks1969 wrote:Winslow is the main reason why I would not mind trading the lotto pick. It is imperative that we get the first pick of the draft, because it has huge negotiating power

If we get the first pick, we will take Towns, not trade down. If we get the #2 overall, we MIGHT trade down for a terrific deal that lands us one of Russell/Mudiay/Winslow and another pick. Otherwise, we snag OK4.

As has been mentioned, 3-5 is much tougher to call.

Moonangie wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Winslow is the main reason why I would not mind trading the lotto pick. It is imperative that we get the first pick of the draft, because it has huge negotiating power

If we get the first pick, we will take Towns, not trade down. If we get the #2 overall, we MIGHT trade down for a terrific deal that lands us one of Russell/Mudiay/Winslow and another pick. Otherwise, we snag OK4.

As has been mentioned, 3-5 is much tougher to call.

3 to 5 depends entirely on how you see Mudiay

SupremeCommander wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Winslow is the main reason why I would not mind trading the lotto pick. It is imperative that we get the first pick of the draft, because it has huge negotiating power

If we get the first pick, we will take Towns, not trade down. If we get the #2 overall, we MIGHT trade down for a terrific deal that lands us one of Russell/Mudiay/Winslow and another pick. Otherwise, we snag OK4.

As has been mentioned, 3-5 is much tougher to call.

3 to 5 depends entirely on how you see Mudiay

mudiay is truly the x-factor here. seems like you hear more and more reports of people gushing over him. if he has a huge combine and is in line for that that #2 pick, that pick pick becomes even more valuable and like moonangie said, we might be able to trade down a slot or two and still draft a guy like ok4, russel, winslow and also get some other great assets to go along with it. one player is not changing this franchise around, we need lots of help everywhere.

nyk4ever wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Winslow is the main reason why I would not mind trading the lotto pick. It is imperative that we get the first pick of the draft, because it has huge negotiating power

If we get the first pick, we will take Towns, not trade down. If we get the #2 overall, we MIGHT trade down for a terrific deal that lands us one of Russell/Mudiay/Winslow and another pick. Otherwise, we snag OK4.

As has been mentioned, 3-5 is much tougher to call.

3 to 5 depends entirely on how you see Mudiay

mudiay is truly the x-factor here. seems like you hear more and more reports of people gushing over him. if he has a huge combine and is in line for that that #2 pick, that pick pick becomes even more valuable and like moonangie said, we might be able to trade down a slot or two and still draft a guy like ok4, russel, winslow and also get some other great assets to go along with it. one player is not changing this franchise around, we need lots of help everywhere.

Nyk4ever,
Would you draft Mudiay over Russell, Winslow, and Kaminsky???

Knicks1969 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Winslow is the main reason why I would not mind trading the lotto pick. It is imperative that we get the first pick of the draft, because it has huge negotiating power

If we get the first pick, we will take Towns, not trade down. If we get the #2 overall, we MIGHT trade down for a terrific deal that lands us one of Russell/Mudiay/Winslow and another pick. Otherwise, we snag OK4.

As has been mentioned, 3-5 is much tougher to call.

3 to 5 depends entirely on how you see Mudiay

mudiay is truly the x-factor here. seems like you hear more and more reports of people gushing over him. if he has a huge combine and is in line for that that #2 pick, that pick pick becomes even more valuable and like moonangie said, we might be able to trade down a slot or two and still draft a guy like ok4, russel, winslow and also get some other great assets to go along with it. one player is not changing this franchise around, we need lots of help everywhere.

Nyk4ever,
Would you draft Mudiay over Russell, Winslow, and Kaminsky???

i have no clue i've never seen him. how can any of us make valid arguments about a player none of us have seen - i'll leave that to the people who've scouted actually scouted him because youtube highlights (good or bad) don't mean anything. from everything i've heard he sounds like a hell of a talent, but i can't make a valid argument about the kid since i've never seen him play.

nyk4ever wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Winslow is the main reason why I would not mind trading the lotto pick. It is imperative that we get the first pick of the draft, because it has huge negotiating power

If we get the first pick, we will take Towns, not trade down. If we get the #2 overall, we MIGHT trade down for a terrific deal that lands us one of Russell/Mudiay/Winslow and another pick. Otherwise, we snag OK4.

As has been mentioned, 3-5 is much tougher to call.

3 to 5 depends entirely on how you see Mudiay

mudiay is truly the x-factor here. seems like you hear more and more reports of people gushing over him. if he has a huge combine and is in line for that that #2 pick, that pick pick becomes even more valuable and like moonangie said, we might be able to trade down a slot or two and still draft a guy like ok4, russel, winslow and also get some other great assets to go along with it. one player is not changing this franchise around, we need lots of help everywhere.

Nyk4ever,
Would you draft Mudiay over Russell, Winslow, and Kaminsky???

i have no clue i've never seen him. how can any of us make valid arguments about a player none of us have seen - i'll leave that to the people who've scouted actually scouted him because youtube highlights (good or bad) don't mean anything. from everything i've heard he sounds like a hell of a talent, but i can't make a valid argument about the kid since i've never seen him play.

Respect......

Darko *who I think can still play if he would work hard, just never to a level to justify being #2 off that draft*
Bosh

AB

Greg Oden *who I also liked over Durant at the time*

while when you think of MVP's and ALL STAR's, majority of them are GUARDS

Steph Curry

James Harden

Westbrook *if he got in play offs*

Lebron
Paul

Some highly MVP numbers of BIGS include

Anthony Davis and rightfully so

Cousins who puts up GREAT numbers just cannot won at the NBA level

Blake Griffen

DeAndre Jordan

Gasol's

Duncan

Lopez

others at one point of their careers

Lilliard
Rose
Parker
Deron Williams *quite a while back as CP3 and Deron took turns as the BEST PG's of their future at one point*

Wade
Durant
Pierce/CA

AI/Kobe

Bigs are very important because in the end, you will need a shot blocker/rebounder and POST PRESENCE, especially if they can hit the FT/mid range shot
That is why Ajinica is a URFA that I would target who has similar attributes to KAT's

Some other cheaper options include

Lavoy Allen, Koufus, Serephin, Ed Davis, maybe Mike Muscula *a BRIGS favorite*, Tyler Zeller, Biyombo RFA, Joel Freeland, Meyers Leanard *who could be avaiable for cheap with Portlands free agents*

Speights/Hickson both have team options

Most importantly in 2017

Hassam Whiteside *HE LIKELY WILL BE THE PRIZE with his potential*

AL Horford
Pau Gasol/Noah

Al Jefferson

Durant *who is a 7foot stretch 3/4*
Lebron stretch 4

Terrence Jones/DMO are both RFA
Josh Smith

Wilson Chandler/Gallo/Battum, SF to stretch 4's to go small at times
James Johnson/Matt Barnes

MosGoV

Justin Holiday, who could play SG to PF

If CA wants to contend next year, he will ask for a trade, and we would be able to sign 2-3 major FA's in 2017, in the addition to the assets we would gain by sending him to a contender or another team
Houston makes the most sense, where he would make the most money and play with a core that will be able to contend, with NO STATES tax and a trade kicker, with Harden drawing double/triple teams and CA will get wide open looks at the chance to continue to work with Hakeem for FREE, while playing with DEFENDERS like Beverely, Ariza, D12, maybe Brewer or KJ McDaniels, Josh Smith, maybe DMO/Terrence JOnes who I would look to acquire at least 1 off, in addition to Memphis 1st rounder this summer, and our 2nd rounder this summer and next summer, with possibly other picks like Portland's 2017 2nd rounder, and any 1st rounder from 2017 and after from Houston, we could throw in Tim Hardaway JR and Early if needed, to give them back depth/rotation that we will take back

It simply isn't happening here with CA if he wants to contend next year as both Phil Jackson and CA must figure out, as it would be 3 losing consective seasons

Knicks1969 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Winslow is the main reason why I would not mind trading the lotto pick. It is imperative that we get the first pick of the draft, because it has huge negotiating power

If we get the first pick, we will take Towns, not trade down. If we get the #2 overall, we MIGHT trade down for a terrific deal that lands us one of Russell/Mudiay/Winslow and another pick. Otherwise, we snag OK4.

As has been mentioned, 3-5 is much tougher to call.

3 to 5 depends entirely on how you see Mudiay

mudiay is truly the x-factor here. seems like you hear more and more reports of people gushing over him. if he has a huge combine and is in line for that that #2 pick, that pick pick becomes even more valuable and like moonangie said, we might be able to trade down a slot or two and still draft a guy like ok4, russel, winslow and also get some other great assets to go along with it. one player is not changing this franchise around, we need lots of help everywhere.

Nyk4ever,
Would you draft Mudiay over Russell, Winslow, and Kaminsky???

i have no clue i've never seen him. how can any of us make valid arguments about a player none of us have seen - i'll leave that to the people who've scouted actually scouted him because youtube highlights (good or bad) don't mean anything. from everything i've heard he sounds like a hell of a talent, but i can't make a valid argument about the kid since i've never seen him play.

Respect......

well im glad we're in the same boat for once.

nyk4ever wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Winslow is the main reason why I would not mind trading the lotto pick. It is imperative that we get the first pick of the draft, because it has huge negotiating power

If we get the first pick, we will take Towns, not trade down. If we get the #2 overall, we MIGHT trade down for a terrific deal that lands us one of Russell/Mudiay/Winslow and another pick. Otherwise, we snag OK4.

As has been mentioned, 3-5 is much tougher to call.

3 to 5 depends entirely on how you see Mudiay

mudiay is truly the x-factor here. seems like you hear more and more reports of people gushing over him. if he has a huge combine and is in line for that that #2 pick, that pick pick becomes even more valuable and like moonangie said, we might be able to trade down a slot or two and still draft a guy like ok4, russel, winslow and also get some other great assets to go along with it. one player is not changing this franchise around, we need lots of help everywhere.

Nyk4ever,
Would you draft Mudiay over Russell, Winslow, and Kaminsky???

i have no clue i've never seen him. how can any of us make valid arguments about a player none of us have seen - i'll leave that to the people who've scouted actually scouted him because youtube highlights (good or bad) don't mean anything. from everything i've heard he sounds like a hell of a talent, but i can't make a valid argument about the kid since i've never seen him play.

Respect......

well im glad we're in the same boat for once.

Lol...you just don't appreciate my disdain for Fisher::))). I promise to show my support if he improves.

callmened wrote:good comparison to butler but i need to see winslow shoot it better. but yes both are linebackers who have decided to play football

42% from 3 not good enough?

TPercy wrote:

callmened wrote:good comparison to butler but i need to see winslow shoot it better. but yes both are linebackers who have decided to play football

42% from 3 not good enough?

it is but Landry Fields also fooled people with his 3 point shooting percentage.

Winslow's shooting may be his only question mark.

mreinman wrote:

TPercy wrote:

callmened wrote:good comparison to butler but i need to see winslow shoot it better. but yes both are linebackers who have decided to play football

42% from 3 not good enough?

it is but Landry Fields also fooled people with his 3 point shooting percentage.

Winslow's shooting may be his only question mark.

Landry Fields shot 34% from 3 back in college along with 56% TS and 50% EFG
Winslow shoots at 57% TS 42% from 3 and 55% EFG. I don't see any problem with Winslow's shooting.

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I've been saying Winslow is a Kawhi Leonard type for a while now. He just does everything well. I see him as a perfect Spur - which is a high compliment.

He can play the 2 or the 3 in the league. I think probably a 3 is where he'll settle in, but it'll depend on the style of play.

I agree that after Towns and OK4 go 1, 2, 3-5 with Russell, Mudiay and Winslow might be a toss up that comes down to workouts and team preference.

I still prefer Russell, but I'd have no problem if the Knicks wound up with Winslow.

Nobody knows what Phil is thinking besides the fact that he wants a big man that can play defense. So after Towns we have absolutely no idea what Phil's board would look like. Does he think OK4 can get better on defense? If he misses on Towns would he rather trade down to get a big man and a eXtra pick? Does he want a PG to play with Melo over a OK4? Does he want a two way player like a Winslow more than he'd want a PG to play the 2/3 spot. Does he like one of the two European guys over the PG's or OK4? There's a lot of questions that nobody on here knows the answers to about Phil's way of thinking. We know he wants someone who fits his system more than anything else so just because we think someone should be chosen doesn't mean he sees that player as the fit he wants. Everyone is discounting the European guys because they don't know much about them but I wouldn't rule anything out with Phil cause he has a different way of thinking and doing things.

If the Knicks wanted a big man draft prospect why didnt they use pick # 33 on Walter Taveras last year? I don't think the KNicks were prepared for the draft as they got the picks very late in the process. Cle Early is an Ok prospect but when you get a chance to draft a 7-3 athletic C in the 2nd round--I think you do it. He ended up this year as Europe's number 1 C prospect and would easily go top 15 imho. So will Phil now reach for WCS--thats what I think.

TPercy wrote:

mreinman wrote:

TPercy wrote:

callmened wrote:good comparison to butler but i need to see winslow shoot it better. but yes both are linebackers who have decided to play football

42% from 3 not good enough?

it is but Landry Fields also fooled people with his 3 point shooting percentage.

Winslow's shooting may be his only question mark.

Landry Fields shot 34% from 3 back in college along with 56% TS and 50% EFG
Winslow shoots at 57% TS 42% from 3 and 55% EFG. I don't see any problem with Winslow's shooting.

BigDaddyG wrote:

TPercy wrote:

mreinman wrote:

TPercy wrote:

callmened wrote:good comparison to butler but i need to see winslow shoot it better. but yes both are linebackers who have decided to play football

42% from 3 not good enough?

it is but Landry Fields also fooled people with his 3 point shooting percentage.

Winslow's shooting may be his only question mark.

Landry Fields shot 34% from 3 back in college along with 56% TS and 50% EFG
Winslow shoots at 57% TS 42% from 3 and 55% EFG. I don't see any problem with Winslow's shooting.

Winslow shot a good percentage from three, but a lot of those looks were open shots created OK4. Those opportunities will be rarer in the NBA.

Maybe.
I did notice an article that said Winslow has serious struggle in the mid range and shooting off the dribble, so I can see your point. Then again, they said Winslow was really bad shooter coming into college but made some vast improvements to his shooting mechanics when he was working out. I think he is definitely going to want to work on that. The guy is a hard worker and one heck of a competitor.

TPercy wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

TPercy wrote:

mreinman wrote:

TPercy wrote:

callmened wrote:good comparison to butler but i need to see winslow shoot it better. but yes both are linebackers who have decided to play football

42% from 3 not good enough?

it is but Landry Fields also fooled people with his 3 point shooting percentage.

Winslow's shooting may be his only question mark.

Landry Fields shot 34% from 3 back in college along with 56% TS and 50% EFG
Winslow shoots at 57% TS 42% from 3 and 55% EFG. I don't see any problem with Winslow's shooting.

Winslow shot a good percentage from three, but a lot of those looks were open shots created OK4. Those opportunities will be rarer in the NBA.

Maybe.
I did notice an article that said Winslow has serious struggle in the mid range and shooting off the dribble, so I can see your point. Then again, they said Winslow was really bad shooter coming into college but made some vast improvements to his shooting mechanics when he was working out. I think he is definitely going to want to work on that. The guy is a hard worker and one heck of a competitor.