Have not seen Rondo play in Dallas, yet.
I thought he'd be a nice fit over there. Good P&R center in Chandler, good outside shooters in Parsons, Dirk, and Ellis.
Do they have a "system" they run, no matter who is on the court?
I doubt that Carlisle or any NBA coach would be calling "every" play, but I assume that he's tried to instill in his players some basic concepts he wants them to follow.
Perhaps Rondo is simply too much of a freelancer… or is he just another JR Smith, who feels a particular offensive system is too difficult to learn?
WaltLongmire wrote:Have not seen Rondo play in Dallas, yet.I thought he'd be a nice fit over there. Good P&R center in Chandler, good outside shooters in Parsons, Dirk, and Ellis.
Do they have a "system" they run, no matter who is on the court?
I doubt that Carlisle or any NBA coach would be calling "every" play, but I assume that he's tried to instill in his players some basic concepts he wants them to follow.
Perhaps Rondo is simply too much of a freelancer… or is he just another JR Smith, who feels a particular offensive system is too difficult to learn?
This has been a poor fit since day one. They basically traded for Rondo only to have the ball in Monta Ellis' hands and ask Rondo to be a mid-range shooter, it's no surprise that this didn't work out.
Monta Ellis is a terrible shooter, just like Rondo. When you have Ellis, who can't play without the ball, Rondo, who can't play without the ball and Tyson Chandler, who isn't a threat outside of 6 inches from the basket, it's no wonder it doesn't fit.
Calderon would be a better fit offensively for Dallas. Though they know about his defensive issues already.
That is why triple double threats could be misleading especially when the ball is needed to be constantly in their hands in order to do so
IE, Rhondo/Lance Stephenson/MCW
Where as Draymond Green plays effectively both with and without the ball to get his triple double threats
Especially when the talents are POST PLAYERS that lead to HIGH % shots
Pau Gasol
Marc Gasol to some extent
Tim Duncan in his younger years
RonRon wrote:That is why triple double threats could be misleading especially when the ball is needed to be constantly in their hands in order to do so
IE, Rhondo/Lance Stephenson/MCWWhere as Draymond Green plays effectively both with and without the ball to get his triple double threats
Especially when the talents are POST PLAYERS that lead to HIGH % shots
Pau Gasol
Marc Gasol to some extent
Tim Duncan in his younger years
Celtics went to two Finals and won a Championship in three years with Rondo running the show..Nothing misleading about that..
holfresh wrote:RonRon wrote:That is why triple double threats could be misleading especially when the ball is needed to be constantly in their hands in order to do so
IE, Rhondo/Lance Stephenson/MCWWhere as Draymond Green plays effectively both with and without the ball to get his triple double threats
Especially when the talents are POST PLAYERS that lead to HIGH % shots
Pau Gasol
Marc Gasol to some extent
Tim Duncan in his younger years
Celtics went to two Finals and won a Championship in three years with Rondo running the show..Nothing misleading about that..
You have to give credit to KG for that Celtic's team along with PP and Ray Allen before Rhondo
He was part of it, they had a very strong defensive team and were deep in talents, with a team that FIT
It isn't easy to build around a PG that cannot shoot and hit FT's, while is ineffective without the ball in his hands
KG was the leader of that team before he declined
BIG 3
KG
PP
Ray Allen
BIG 5
Rhondo/Perkin's
GLUE DEFENDERS
Tony Allen/James Posey *both of which were great team defenders/1v1 defenders in adddition to KG and Perkin's being in their primes to help*
Paul Pierce and Ray Allen both hit big shots and were used to spread the floor while PP, KG, and Perkins/Glen Davis were solid
My point is Rhondo's stats were misleading as Coach Doc Rivers and the veterans hid his weakness's
I love Rondo as a player, but I don't want him with the Knicks. He is not a system guy; his lack of offensive ability is not desirable. Draft a young PG like Russell and spend a considerable amount of cap money on Bigs and shooters who can defend
STATS can be very misleading, while many use the boxscores to measure talent
point is it is very hard to build a winning/contending team with a PG that cannot shoot
MCW
Rhondo
are evidence of this, their team's philosophy and win/loss after they were acquired was unable to execute due to their inabilities
While both players put up GREAT numbers as triple double threats with the ball constantly in their hands while they were losing
Talent isn't measured by what STATs a player produces but also have to factor what the TEAM can do with the player both on OFF and DEFENSE as a whole, a reason why chemistry/fit/system comes in to play
Both players are evidence of this and why Draymond Green, Kawaii Leanard, Jimmy Butler, would FIT IN ANY TEAM as contenders, because of HOW THEY GET THEIR STATS and overall effectiveness for talents/skills/versatility/defensive abiltiies
And when you can combine such players TOGETHER, it has a multiple effect on other players and defensive presence
A reason why Pippen/Jordan, Pau Gasol/Kobe, Spur's, Lebron/Wade etc...
Leadership/lockeroom presence/ability/defensive abilities to make others better all do not show up on the boxscores as well
These players would further help the development of young talent with ceilings, with their work ethic/leadersip/fundamentals/ability to defend/ and their IQ/understanding of the game, ALL WITHIN A FLOW OF THE OFFENSE......
yeah, Rondo is definitely not going back to Dallas.
What a terrible trade for Dallas? The coach is accomplice for not making it a culture suitable for a talent like Rondo. I know he is old school and calls 99% of the plays; but, why insisting on such a trade if he knew he was not going to change his approach to take full advantage of Rondo's talent????
Knicks1969 wrote:What a terrible trade for Dallas? The coach is accomplice for not making it a culture suitable for a talent like Rondo. I know he is old school and calls 99% of the plays; but, why insisting on such a trade if he knew he was not going to change his approach to take full advantage of Rondo's talent????
They weren't winning it all anyways so they took a risk. It didn't work out, but I'm not going to blast them for gambling. You're right though about questioning why trade for someone if you're not then going to accommodate them. I like their coach though.
RonRon wrote:holfresh wrote:RonRon wrote:That is why triple double threats could be misleading especially when the ball is needed to be constantly in their hands in order to do so
IE, Rhondo/Lance Stephenson/MCWWhere as Draymond Green plays effectively both with and without the ball to get his triple double threats
Especially when the talents are POST PLAYERS that lead to HIGH % shots
Pau Gasol
Marc Gasol to some extent
Tim Duncan in his younger years
Celtics went to two Finals and won a Championship in three years with Rondo running the show..Nothing misleading about that..
You have to give credit to KG for that Celtic's team along with PP and Ray Allen before Rhondo
He was part of it, they had a very strong defensive team and were deep in talents, with a team that FIT
It isn't easy to build around a PG that cannot shoot and hit FT's, while is ineffective without the ball in his hands
KG was the leader of that team before he declined
BIG 3
KG
PP
Ray Allen
BIG 5
Rhondo/Perkin's
GLUE DEFENDERS
Tony Allen/James Posey *both of which were great team defenders/1v1 defenders in adddition to KG and Perkin's being in their primes to help*
Paul Pierce and Ray Allen both hit big shots and were used to spread the floor while PP, KG, and Perkins/Glen Davis were solid
My point is Rhondo's stats were misleading as Coach Doc Rivers and the veterans hid his weakness's
Rondo's stats were not misleading, you may not want to accept them...I think they won the Championship when Rondo was a rookie but there were years after that Rondo was the best player on the team putting up insane numbers...And they were a good team..They just were built to get by LeBron and Wade...
People like to jump on guys like MDA for being unwilling to bend, but in truth there are a lot of coaches who are insistent on their way and guys like Sloan, PJax etc won a lot of games doing it their way. Not every coach is going to be willing to change how they do things for one or two players. You have to know your coach and what he needs and is comfortable doing. Sometimes you take a chance and it doesn't work.
nixluva wrote:People like to jump on guys like MDA for being unwilling to bend, but in truth there are a lot of coaches who are insistent on their way and guys like Sloan, PJax etc won a lot of games doing it their way. Not every coach is going to be willing to change how they do things for one or two players. You have to know your coach and what he needs and is comfortable doing. Sometimes you take a chance and it doesn't work.
The real issue would be communication between Carlisle and his GM, first, and then Carlisle and Rondo…
Since this was not a FA pickup, what kind of communication could Dallas have had with Rondo BEFORE the trade? You simply cannot trade for a guy who is unable or unwilling to play in your system.
Rondo is no rookie- he's established a style of play over the years. Seems amazing to me that you would trade for a guy not knowing how he would play in the system used by your coach.
Knicks1969 wrote:What a terrible trade for Dallas? The coach is accomplice for not making it a culture suitable for a talent like Rondo. I know he is old school and calls 99% of the plays; but, why insisting on such a trade if he knew he was not going to change his approach to take full advantage of Rondo's talent????
Yeah you have to put some of the blame on Carlisle. He is known as being a very rigid guy that in the past struggled to get along with his players. Rondo wasn't a good fit unless the Carlisle changed.
CrushAlot wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:What a terrible trade for Dallas? The coach is accomplice for not making it a culture suitable for a talent like Rondo. I know he is old school and calls 99% of the plays; but, why insisting on such a trade if he knew he was not going to change his approach to take full advantage of Rondo's talent????
Yeah you have to put some of the blame on Carlisle. He is known as being a very rigid guy that in the past struggled to get along with his players. Rondo wasn't a good fit unless the Carlisle changed.
Any rumors of conflict(s) between Rondo and the other Dallas starters?
WaltLongmire wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Rick Carlisle, who probably knows better than anybody else, couldn’t have been more succinct or clear when asked if he ever believes Rajon Rondo will wear a Dallas Mavericks’ uniform again.
“No, I don’t.”
And with that, the experiment that had been smoldering ever since the December trade that brought him to the Mavericks officially has blown up.
Actually, the official word from the team is that Rondo sustained a back injury when he tried to take a charge from James Harden in the first minute of Game 2 Tuesday in Houston.
When Rondo picked up two fouls and a technical foul in the first 34 seconds of the third quarter, he was pulled from the lineup and spent the rest of the night on the bench.
That’s how his Mavericks’ tenure will end.
“He is seeking additional medical opinions,” Carlisle said. “For now, he will not be around the team. I understand the announcement that’s been made is going to have different interpretations. I’m giving you our interpretation of it. This is fact. From here, we’re moving forward. We’ve got a series to win. We got to win Game 3 with the guys we have.
http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/2015/04/c...
Wow...
Carlisle won that battle. He's entrenched in Dallas and Rondo just can't win that battle. He's not good enough to trash a coach who won you a title and works well with everyone else on the roster. If Dirk was the one having problems maybe that would be a different story, but Rondo already has the bad rep and he's not a true Mav having come over so recently.
Rondo will find a new home and probably have a solid career from here on. It was still worth a shot for the Mavs IMO. Just too bad it didn't work out.
I feel bad for Dallas. Losing assets for Rondo seriously hurts their future. Also, I have less respect for Rondo. Come on, dude! If you are going to leave anyway, why screw up Dirk and Monta's playoffs? That business last night with the violation for not taking the ball down court is ticky-tacky stuff. I don't get it. I understand that Rondo isn't the best fit for Dallas. I'm sure he's a better player overall when he fits the system and can improvise at will but . . . surely, he could have figured out someway to be productive in Dallas and maybe pick up a few new skills along the way. Soon enough, Rondo will be older and slower and if he doesn't figure out how to play a little different, he'll be playing with Starbury in China. I was kinda looking forward to the Knicks picking him up in the off-season but now . . . no. If the guy can't sort out playing playoff ball at all and basically benches himself because he feels disrespected, he's just too much of a head case to play with a developing team sorting out a new system.
Rondo is not ZEN. I don't see Phil wanting a guy like that around his team when he's got a bunch of good kids now and no real headache players. We just got rid of problem players.
