Knicks · Someone explain to me how Justice Winslow is better than Shabazz Muhammed? (page 1)

NardDogNation wrote:Winslow actually does things besides just scoring.

I think Winslow was actually younger his freshman year than Baz was. Not only was he younger, but his game was more advanced. Winslow was a better defender and he moved the ball around better. I'll give Baz credit for working on his body once he got in the League tho. I wouldn't mind stealing him a away from the Wolves

NardDogNation wrote:Winslow actually does things besides just scoring.

Shabazz avg 21.2 points 6.5 rebounds 2.1 assists per 36 minutes and hes a solid defensive player. Is Winslow's ceiling higher?

BigDaddyG wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:Winslow actually does things besides just scoring.

I think Winslow was actually younger his freshman year than Baz was. Not only was he younger, but his game was more advanced. Winslow was a better defender and he moved the ball around better. I'll give Baz credit for working on his body once he got in the League tho. I wouldn't mind stealing him a away from the Wolves

Id rather work with Minnesota to do that but it would be hard. What Im saying is that if we used pick #3 to farm an asset laden deal--the cumulative parts could be substantially higher than the 1 player.

However, I would consider trading our future 1st rounders for them or other assets we may acquire in our future
Even taking back salary in the process, like Pekovic if we got rid of Calderon, while expecting an amnesty in the works after the next CBA in 2017 that players union and teams will both agree upon as they both benefit from it....

As for Winslow and Shabazz, Winslow has the potential to be the more complete player, and Shabazz has the likelyhood of being the better OFFENSIVE player
It depends on how we fill the rest of the roster up and their FITS in the system with the strengths of the team/players along with their weakness's.....

RonRon wrote:I wouldn't trade our pick this summer for Shabazz or the backup PG in Atlanta

However, I would consider trading our future 1st rounders for them or other assets we may acquire in our future
Even taking back salary in the process, like Pekovic if we got rid of Calderon, while expecting an amnesty in the works after the next CBA in 2017 that players union and teams will both agree upon as they both benefit from it....

As for Winslow and Shabazz, Winslow has the potential to be the more complete player, and Shabazz has the likelyhood of being the better OFFENSIVE player
It depends on how we fill the rest of the roster up and their FITS in the system with the strengths of the team/players along with their weakness's.....

If I could get Muhhammed Schroeder Taveras and pick 31 for pick #3 (If Towns and Ok4 are gone) it would take me a second to think about it. Maybe Justice ends up a little better than Shabazz? but the cumulative package is light years better than Winslow. That would give us a 7-3 mobile agile C and the quickest on ball PG in the league who could be an all star in his own right some day. Then I get a 20 point scorer to go with Carmelo and pick 31 which is a hammer pick. And Im not doing much guess work here--I already see what Schreoder and Muhammed can do proven.

BRIGGS wrote:

RonRon wrote:I wouldn't trade our pick this summer for Shabazz or the backup PG in Atlanta

However, I would consider trading our future 1st rounders for them or other assets we may acquire in our future
Even taking back salary in the process, like Pekovic if we got rid of Calderon, while expecting an amnesty in the works after the next CBA in 2017 that players union and teams will both agree upon as they both benefit from it....

As for Winslow and Shabazz, Winslow has the potential to be the more complete player, and Shabazz has the likelyhood of being the better OFFENSIVE player
It depends on how we fill the rest of the roster up and their FITS in the system with the strengths of the team/players along with their weakness's.....

If I could get Muhhammed Schroeder Taveras and pick 31 for pick #3 (If Towns and Ok4 are gone) it would take me a second to think about it. Maybe Justice ends up a little better than Shabazz? but the cumulative package is light years better than Winslow. That would give us a 7-3 mobile agile C and the quickest on ball PG in the league who could be an all star in his own right some day. Then I get a 20 point scorer to go with Carmelo and pick 31 which is a hammer pick. And Im not doing much guess work here--I already see what Schreoder and Muhammed can do proven.

Both Shabazz and Dennis are 2 players that have the ability and willingness to take it to the rim that we lacked and Phil Jackson has stated he needs
I do not see Atlanta giving up on Schroedder though, while there is a chance for Shabazz
I think Atlanta values Schroedder highly and always thought that he could be the future PG over Teague

As for Taveras, we cannot really say anything but they did trade away a 1st rounder already that plays PF
We messed up by drafting Tim Hardway JR

If you look back at it, there are a lot of Lefties that played a very important role on championship teams, espcially dynasties
Kukoc, Odom, Bosh, Manu,

In general, the strong side is used to penetrate and finish, while on the opposite side, they are used to pull up to shoot

Having 2 scorers on the floor togeher, that could finish strong in both sides, makes it very hard to defend/recover, especially if both could shoot/penetrate/facilitate at an efficient rate
Ultimatetly it would lead to uncontested drives or WIDE OPEN SHOTS

RonRon wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

RonRon wrote:I wouldn't trade our pick this summer for Shabazz or the backup PG in Atlanta

However, I would consider trading our future 1st rounders for them or other assets we may acquire in our future
Even taking back salary in the process, like Pekovic if we got rid of Calderon, while expecting an amnesty in the works after the next CBA in 2017 that players union and teams will both agree upon as they both benefit from it....

As for Winslow and Shabazz, Winslow has the potential to be the more complete player, and Shabazz has the likelyhood of being the better OFFENSIVE player
It depends on how we fill the rest of the roster up and their FITS in the system with the strengths of the team/players along with their weakness's.....

If I could get Muhhammed Schroeder Taveras and pick 31 for pick #3 (If Towns and Ok4 are gone) it would take me a second to think about it. Maybe Justice ends up a little better than Shabazz? but the cumulative package is light years better than Winslow. That would give us a 7-3 mobile agile C and the quickest on ball PG in the league who could be an all star in his own right some day. Then I get a 20 point scorer to go with Carmelo and pick 31 which is a hammer pick. And Im not doing much guess work here--I already see what Schreoder and Muhammed can do proven.

Both Shabazz and Dennis are 2 players that have the ability and willingness to take it to the rim that we lacked and Phil Jackson has stated he needs
I do not see Atlanta giving up on Schroedder though, while there is a chance for Shabazz
I think Atlanta values Schroedder highly and always thought that he could be the future PG over Teague

As for Taveras, we cannot really say anything but they did trade away a 1st rounder already that plays PF
We messed up by drafting Tim Hardway JR

The Hawks are a 60 win team. The 3 pick could yield them their choice of Mudiay or Russell maybe Hezonga(their new Korver) or Winslow. The asset to them where they are at is nice because it's likely HIGHER end than Schreoder. And Minnesota simply has Wiggins and Martin already in place--they need size and PGs BADLY. Pick 15 would be VERY attractive as they could get Okafor or Towns AND their choice of a top PG for Muhammed and their 31 pick.

I'm hoping Early develops as much as Muhammad did this past yr though.

callmened wrote:lol. no bazzie muhammmed is a SF on minnesota...he actually improved alot from his first yr. he got a post game and even developed an outside shot. but then he got hurt for the yr...i just forget the injury...ill look it up

yeah I know

just trying to figure out context

BRIGGS wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:Winslow actually does things besides just scoring.

I think Winslow was actually younger his freshman year than Baz was. Not only was he younger, but his game was more advanced. Winslow was a better defender and he moved the ball around better. I'll give Baz credit for working on his body once he got in the League tho. I wouldn't mind stealing him a away from the Wolves

Id rather work with Minnesota to do that but it would be hard. What Im saying is that if we used pick #3 to farm an asset laden deal--the cumulative parts could be substantially higher than the 1 player.

Winslow has higher hoops ceiling, as more solid 2 way player..

Shabazz?
Is on bad wolves team,
His rebounding is misleading cause he is non durable player
Barely played minimum NBA games 60-65

He is nice talent but Winslow more NBA body , potential seems to be most durable
Things on JW game isn't on stats, etch

Winslow game and fame is going towards celebrated NBA success I can't see nor believe
Shabazz game in 1-3 years will make him an All-stars candidate.

Can see Winslow being nba All-star in few years if healthy.
Simple as that

NardDogNation wrote:Winslow actually does things besides just scoring.

The fact that Winslow is (offensively) on the same page as Shabazz makes 2-way Winslow an even better prospect.

blkexec wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:Winslow actually does things besides just scoring.

The fact that Winslow is (offensively) on the same page as Shabazz makes 2-way Winslow an even better prospect.