This has been the Knick plan for atleast 3 months. Unless we get pick #1 this will be the outcome --stein can play 4-5 and we have enough on offense with Monroe Carmelo and possibly Carroll. Stein will be our Draymond Green.
I can see this only if we end up outside of the top 3. I think at that point Phil would trade down. I don't believe Stein was plan A in the draft tho.
Briggs, interesting thought. Stein in the mold of Horace Grant type? Stein might have more offense in him than we know.
Trade down is interesting. Take Wallace and a boston pick for cap space is interesting.
Its not about cap space as 2016 all teams will have it. Its about us getting talent.
I wouldn't mind Stein.
We'd still need a serious upgrade at guard.
Wait and see until the draft though. Hopefully we get lucky. We have basically a 20% chance at pick 1, 20% chance at pick 2, 20% chance at pick 3, 20% chance at pick 4, 20% chance at pick 5... it's truly the luck of the draw. Let's hope to get lucky.
Nalod wrote:Briggs, interesting thought. Stein in the mold of Horace Grant type? Stein might have more offense in him than we know.
Trade down is interesting. Take Wallace and a boston pick for cap space is interesting.Its not about cap space as 2016 all teams will have it. Its about us getting talent.
Stein can play 4-5 so it fits. I mean Phil pretty much had the name Stein roll out of his mouth and called Okafor Olkwandi--thats should give a little insight. Hopefully we get the higher draft pick so we can trade down but we may just take Stein at 2. I think Phil would be happier at 3-4--no pressure that way.
crzymdups wrote:I wouldn't mind Stein. We'd still need a serious upgrade at guard.
Wait and see until the draft though. Hopefully we get lucky. We have basically a 20% chance at pick 1, 20% chance at pick 2, 20% chance at pick 3, 20% chance at pick 4, 20% chance at pick 5... it's truly the luck of the draw. Let's hope to get lucky.
Yeah I think 1 even if he had his mind set on stein--the pressure to take Towns would be too high.
BRIGGS wrote:crzymdups wrote:I wouldn't mind Stein. We'd still need a serious upgrade at guard.
Wait and see until the draft though. Hopefully we get lucky. We have basically a 20% chance at pick 1, 20% chance at pick 2, 20% chance at pick 3, 20% chance at pick 4, 20% chance at pick 5... it's truly the luck of the draw. Let's hope to get lucky.
Yeah I think 1 even if he had his mind set on stein--the pressure to take Towns would be too high.
I think if Okafor or Towns is on the board he will have to take either of those two guys. I think the same is true for Russell.
At 4? I agree with you Stein may be his #1 choice.
If you get a top three pick in this draft, you take one of the top three guys. Those guys are good bets to be all-stars and you really can't pass that up.
I'm hoping we get a top three pick and his hand is forced. I can talk myself into any of Towns, Russell or Okafor - they are all true blue chip talents that would change the face and fortunes of this franchise.
No point in predicting the pick until we know what number the pick is.
I think that would make us almost as good as the team Phil inherited.
BRIGGS wrote:Nalod wrote:Briggs, interesting thought. Stein in the mold of Horace Grant type? Stein might have more offense in him than we know.
Trade down is interesting. Take Wallace and a boston pick for cap space is interesting.Its not about cap space as 2016 all teams will have it. Its about us getting talent.
Stein can play 4-5 so it fits. I mean Phil pretty much had the name Stein roll out of his mouth and called Okafor Olkwandi--thats should give a little insight. Hopefully we get the higher draft pick so we can trade down but we may just take Stein at 2. I think Phil would be happier at 3-4--no pressure that way.
Dude you're trippin. WCS @ 2 would be lynch mobs bum rushing the Garden.
Bonn1997 wrote:I think that would make us almost as good as the team Phil inherited.
You might be right. I would take Okalwandi err Okafor at 2 or 3 depending on what Philly does without a second hesitation. I think Christian Wood will be a better NBA defender over time but has much more offensive potential --to me Stein is a fringe lottery pick.
Monroe well Monroe Drummond won 20 games two years in a row. I dont think Stein is better than Drummond .
Moonangie wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Nalod wrote:Briggs, interesting thought. Stein in the mold of Horace Grant type? Stein might have more offense in him than we know.
Trade down is interesting. Take Wallace and a boston pick for cap space is interesting.Its not about cap space as 2016 all teams will have it. Its about us getting talent.
Stein can play 4-5 so it fits. I mean Phil pretty much had the name Stein roll out of his mouth and called Okafor Olkwandi--thats should give a little insight. Hopefully we get the higher draft pick so we can trade down but we may just take Stein at 2. I think Phil would be happier at 3-4--no pressure that way.
Dude you're trippin. WCS @ 2 would be lynch mobs bum rushing the Garden.
If we go by Phils words--the odds of him taking Okafor is likely low. He doesnt want a PG and he basically said Stein when he was talking. It would be best if we won the lottery--thats what I think. I think Phil likes Stein and Kaminsky better than he likes other guys. Thats just my opinion trippin or not.
BRIGGS wrote:Moonangie wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Nalod wrote:Briggs, interesting thought. Stein in the mold of Horace Grant type? Stein might have more offense in him than we know.
Trade down is interesting. Take Wallace and a boston pick for cap space is interesting.Its not about cap space as 2016 all teams will have it. Its about us getting talent.
Stein can play 4-5 so it fits. I mean Phil pretty much had the name Stein roll out of his mouth and called Okafor Olkwandi--thats should give a little insight. Hopefully we get the higher draft pick so we can trade down but we may just take Stein at 2. I think Phil would be happier at 3-4--no pressure that way.
Dude you're trippin. WCS @ 2 would be lynch mobs bum rushing the Garden.
If we go by Phils words--the odds of him taking Okafor is likely low. He doesnt want a PG and he basically said Stein when he was talking. It would be best if we won the lottery--thats what I think. I think Phil likes Stein and Kaminsky better than he likes other guys. Thats just my opinion trippin or not.
I have no problem with Phil liking Stein as a defensive anchor. He's actually a better version of Tyson Chandler. He's got way more lateral quickness and agility than Tyson and he's even got more offensive ability than Tyson. He's not a superstar, but at least he has a clear role as an NBA player. Stein can cover ground like a much smaller player and with his length it just makes him a very high quality help defender. I think Stein could end up as a bigger, better version of Kenyon Martin. Stein would just make your overall defense better by a wide margin. Especially if you can add other defenders like Galloway and DeMarre Carroll around him.
BRIGGS wrote:Moonangie wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Nalod wrote:Briggs, interesting thought. Stein in the mold of Horace Grant type? Stein might have more offense in him than we know.
Trade down is interesting. Take Wallace and a boston pick for cap space is interesting.Its not about cap space as 2016 all teams will have it. Its about us getting talent.
Stein can play 4-5 so it fits. I mean Phil pretty much had the name Stein roll out of his mouth and called Okafor Olkwandi--thats should give a little insight. Hopefully we get the higher draft pick so we can trade down but we may just take Stein at 2. I think Phil would be happier at 3-4--no pressure that way.
Dude you're trippin. WCS @ 2 would be lynch mobs bum rushing the Garden.
If we go by Phils words--the odds of him taking Okafor is likely low. He doesnt want a PG and he basically said Stein when he was talking. It would be best if we won the lottery--thats what I think. I think Phil likes Stein and Kaminsky better than he likes other guys. Thats just my opinion trippin or not.
I think Okafor is Phil's number one choice. Think of the Triangle fit.
crzymdups wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Moonangie wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Nalod wrote:Briggs, interesting thought. Stein in the mold of Horace Grant type? Stein might have more offense in him than we know.
Trade down is interesting. Take Wallace and a boston pick for cap space is interesting.Its not about cap space as 2016 all teams will have it. Its about us getting talent.
Stein can play 4-5 so it fits. I mean Phil pretty much had the name Stein roll out of his mouth and called Okafor Olkwandi--thats should give a little insight. Hopefully we get the higher draft pick so we can trade down but we may just take Stein at 2. I think Phil would be happier at 3-4--no pressure that way.
Dude you're trippin. WCS @ 2 would be lynch mobs bum rushing the Garden.
If we go by Phils words--the odds of him taking Okafor is likely low. He doesnt want a PG and he basically said Stein when he was talking. It would be best if we won the lottery--thats what I think. I think Phil likes Stein and Kaminsky better than he likes other guys. Thats just my opinion trippin or not.
I think Okafor is Phil's number one choice. Think of the Triangle fit.
What about defense? Bynum and Gasol defended
nixluva wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Moonangie wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Nalod wrote:Briggs, interesting thought. Stein in the mold of Horace Grant type? Stein might have more offense in him than we know.
Trade down is interesting. Take Wallace and a boston pick for cap space is interesting.Its not about cap space as 2016 all teams will have it. Its about us getting talent.
Stein can play 4-5 so it fits. I mean Phil pretty much had the name Stein roll out of his mouth and called Okafor Olkwandi--thats should give a little insight. Hopefully we get the higher draft pick so we can trade down but we may just take Stein at 2. I think Phil would be happier at 3-4--no pressure that way.
Dude you're trippin. WCS @ 2 would be lynch mobs bum rushing the Garden.
If we go by Phils words--the odds of him taking Okafor is likely low. He doesnt want a PG and he basically said Stein when he was talking. It would be best if we won the lottery--thats what I think. I think Phil likes Stein and Kaminsky better than he likes other guys. Thats just my opinion trippin or not.
I have no problem with Phil liking Stein as a defensive anchor. He's actually a better version of Tyson Chandler. He's got way more lateral quickness and agility than Tyson and he's even got more offensive ability than Tyson. He's not a superstar, but at least he has a clear role as an NBA player. Stein can cover ground like a much smaller player and with his length it just makes him a very high quality help defender. I think Stein could end up as a bigger, better version of Kenyon Martin. Stein would just make your overall defense better by a wide margin. Especially if you can add other defenders like Galloway and DeMarre Carroll around him.
I disagree with Stein being a better Tyson. People forget what Tyson was as a prospect coming into the league. The guards he went up against as a junior pails in comparison to what he will face in the NBA. Also there is nothing in his pass that says he can do more than catch lobs. Tyson coming out was more like Towns in High School. Tyson's fall back was to become the player he is today. What would be Stein's fall back? If his ceiling is just a lob and D guy who may not be as good a rebounder as Tyson, I don't think that is worth a top 10 pick,imo. Players with specific skills like Stein can be found later in the draft.
Wow, I think I defend Tyson more than Bonn. lol. smh
gunsnewing wrote:crzymdups wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Moonangie wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Nalod wrote:Briggs, interesting thought. Stein in the mold of Horace Grant type? Stein might have more offense in him than we know.
Trade down is interesting. Take Wallace and a boston pick for cap space is interesting.Its not about cap space as 2016 all teams will have it. Its about us getting talent.
Stein can play 4-5 so it fits. I mean Phil pretty much had the name Stein roll out of his mouth and called Okafor Olkwandi--thats should give a little insight. Hopefully we get the higher draft pick so we can trade down but we may just take Stein at 2. I think Phil would be happier at 3-4--no pressure that way.
Dude you're trippin. WCS @ 2 would be lynch mobs bum rushing the Garden.
If we go by Phils words--the odds of him taking Okafor is likely low. He doesnt want a PG and he basically said Stein when he was talking. It would be best if we won the lottery--thats what I think. I think Phil likes Stein and Kaminsky better than he likes other guys. Thats just my opinion trippin or not.
I think Okafor is Phil's number one choice. Think of the Triangle fit.
What about defense? Bynum and gasoline defended
Bynum had to grow into a defender. Have there been any updates on Bynum? He is still young, a vet min contract should be offered if he is making a come back
yellowboy90 wrote:nixluva wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Moonangie wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Nalod wrote:Briggs, interesting thought. Stein in the mold of Horace Grant type? Stein might have more offense in him than we know.
Trade down is interesting. Take Wallace and a boston pick for cap space is interesting.Its not about cap space as 2016 all teams will have it. Its about us getting talent.
Stein can play 4-5 so it fits. I mean Phil pretty much had the name Stein roll out of his mouth and called Okafor Olkwandi--thats should give a little insight. Hopefully we get the higher draft pick so we can trade down but we may just take Stein at 2. I think Phil would be happier at 3-4--no pressure that way.
Dude you're trippin. WCS @ 2 would be lynch mobs bum rushing the Garden.
If we go by Phils words--the odds of him taking Okafor is likely low. He doesnt want a PG and he basically said Stein when he was talking. It would be best if we won the lottery--thats what I think. I think Phil likes Stein and Kaminsky better than he likes other guys. Thats just my opinion trippin or not.
I have no problem with Phil liking Stein as a defensive anchor. He's actually a better version of Tyson Chandler. He's got way more lateral quickness and agility than Tyson and he's even got more offensive ability than Tyson. He's not a superstar, but at least he has a clear role as an NBA player. Stein can cover ground like a much smaller player and with his length it just makes him a very high quality help defender. I think Stein could end up as a bigger, better version of Kenyon Martin. Stein would just make your overall defense better by a wide margin. Especially if you can add other defenders like Galloway and DeMarre Carroll around him.
I disagree with Stein being a better Tyson. People forget what Tyson was as a prospect coming into the league. The guards he went up against as a junior pails in comparison to what he will face in the NBA. Also there is nothing in his pass that says he can do more than catch lobs. Tyson coming out was more like Towns in High School. Tyson's fall back was to become the player he is today. What would be Stein's fall back? If his ceiling is just a lob and D guy who may not be as good a rebounder as Tyson, I don't think that is worth a top 10 pick,imo. Players with specific skills like Stein can be found later in the draft.
Wow, I think I defend Tyson more than Bonn. lol. smh
The statement is crazy. It's not even clear what the comparison is (Tyson now vs. Stein now? Tyson in high school vs. Stein in college?) I can't really imagine any version of it that would make sense though. If you want a guy with pretty, versatile offense, fine but you can't just completely ignore current production. Tyson just averaged 10 and 12 against a healthy Dwight Howard. Stein is averaging half of that against college kids. Nixluva is a fan of the Win Share method for every player except Tyson Chandler
crzymdups wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Moonangie wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Nalod wrote:Briggs, interesting thought. Stein in the mold of Horace Grant type? Stein might have more offense in him than we know.
Trade down is interesting. Take Wallace and a boston pick for cap space is interesting.Its not about cap space as 2016 all teams will have it. Its about us getting talent.
Stein can play 4-5 so it fits. I mean Phil pretty much had the name Stein roll out of his mouth and called Okafor Olkwandi--thats should give a little insight. Hopefully we get the higher draft pick so we can trade down but we may just take Stein at 2. I think Phil would be happier at 3-4--no pressure that way.
Dude you're trippin. WCS @ 2 would be lynch mobs bum rushing the Garden.
If we go by Phils words--the odds of him taking Okafor is likely low. He doesnt want a PG and he basically said Stein when he was talking. It would be best if we won the lottery--thats what I think. I think Phil likes Stein and Kaminsky better than he likes other guys. Thats just my opinion trippin or not.
I think Okafor is Phil's number one choice. Think of the Triangle fit.
we would be a less than average defensive team-- ranked 15-20-- and less than average defensive almost never win titles.
funny how defense never seems to make it to the "on paper" ponderings of basketball fans.
Begley article saying Knicks top 5 is:
1. Towns
2. OK4
3. Mudiay
4. Russell
5. wilmslow
Bonn1997 wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:nixluva wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Moonangie wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Nalod wrote:Briggs, interesting thought. Stein in the mold of Horace Grant type? Stein might have more offense in him than we know.
Trade down is interesting. Take Wallace and a boston pick for cap space is interesting.Its not about cap space as 2016 all teams will have it. Its about us getting talent.
Stein can play 4-5 so it fits. I mean Phil pretty much had the name Stein roll out of his mouth and called Okafor Olkwandi--thats should give a little insight. Hopefully we get the higher draft pick so we can trade down but we may just take Stein at 2. I think Phil would be happier at 3-4--no pressure that way.
Dude you're trippin. WCS @ 2 would be lynch mobs bum rushing the Garden.
If we go by Phils words--the odds of him taking Okafor is likely low. He doesnt want a PG and he basically said Stein when he was talking. It would be best if we won the lottery--thats what I think. I think Phil likes Stein and Kaminsky better than he likes other guys. Thats just my opinion trippin or not.
I have no problem with Phil liking Stein as a defensive anchor. He's actually a better version of Tyson Chandler. He's got way more lateral quickness and agility than Tyson and he's even got more offensive ability than Tyson. He's not a superstar, but at least he has a clear role as an NBA player. Stein can cover ground like a much smaller player and with his length it just makes him a very high quality help defender. I think Stein could end up as a bigger, better version of Kenyon Martin. Stein would just make your overall defense better by a wide margin. Especially if you can add other defenders like Galloway and DeMarre Carroll around him.
I disagree with Stein being a better Tyson. People forget what Tyson was as a prospect coming into the league. The guards he went up against as a junior pails in comparison to what he will face in the NBA. Also there is nothing in his pass that says he can do more than catch lobs. Tyson coming out was more like Towns in High School. Tyson's fall back was to become the player he is today. What would be Stein's fall back? If his ceiling is just a lob and D guy who may not be as good a rebounder as Tyson, I don't think that is worth a top 10 pick,imo. Players with specific skills like Stein can be found later in the draft.
Wow, I think I defend Tyson more than Bonn. lol. smh
The statement is crazy. It's not even clear what the comparison is (Tyson now vs. Stein now? Tyson in high school vs. Stein in college?) I can't really imagine any version of it that would make sense though. If you want a guy with pretty, versatile offense, fine but you can't just completely ignore current production. Tyson just averaged 10 and 12 against a healthy Dwight Howard. Stein is averaging half of that against college kids. Nixluva is a fan of the Win Share method for every player except Tyson Chandler
I don't discount Tyson as a very productive player. I simply don't talk about him since there's no way in HADES he's an option this summer. So why would I tout him as a player when there's no way he's an option for this team? I don't talk about Dirk or Duncan either.
As for Stein I think his agility and lateral quickness will translate in the NBA. Tyson is listed as 7'1" 240 and Stein is listed at 7'.5" 240. I think Stein gets killed for staying in school and I actually think it has helped him. Tyson is more of a help defender than great man defender and so is Stein. In fact I think Stein will be an even better help defender. He's much more mobile and agile than Tyson. He already has more offensive ability than Tyson. Tho not great it's a better starting point then Tyson.
