BRIGGS wrote:Carroll is worth it green is not
been saying that about carroll for a while now. carroll would be a perfect fit here and worth every cent of the money
BRIGGS wrote:Carroll is worth it green is not
green is the back up plan. id def rather have carroll for sure
callmened wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Carroll is worth it green is not
green is the back up plan. id def rather have carroll for sure
so would you move Melo to the 4?
Carroll is on my list as well. I have no problem with him as I've promoted him as a target. They are not separated by any significant amount but Green rates higher on my WS/48 list. The things some are knocking Green over are IMO overlooking Greens strengths in favor of minor weaknesses. I like both players and since Carroll actually plays as a SF I've been promoting Green.
nixluva wrote:Carroll is on my list as well. I have no problem with him as I've promoted him as a target. They are not separated by any significant amount but Green rates higher on my WS/48 list. The things some are knocking Green over are IMO overlooking Greens strengths in favor of minor weaknesses. I like both players and since Carroll actually plays as a SF I've been promoting Green.
Carroll can play 2-3-4 Hes6-8 and very mobile.If anyone considers green a 2 then you consider Carroll a 2
BRIGGS wrote:Carroll is worth it green is not
Thekr value is pretty similar. Demare can slash a little better, Danny has more defensive range. I won't kill him for a subpar playoff series. What about last year when he killed the Heat?
BRIGGS wrote:nixluva wrote:Carroll is on my list as well. I have no problem with him as I've promoted him as a target. They are not separated by any significant amount but Green rates higher on my WS/48 list. The things some are knocking Green over are IMO overlooking Greens strengths in favor of minor weaknesses. I like both players and since Carroll actually plays as a SF I've been promoting Green.
Carroll can play 2-3-4 Hes6-8 and very mobile.If anyone considers green a 2 then you consider Carroll a 2
how much has Carroll even played the 2 over the last 3yrs?
nixluva wrote:Carroll is on my list as well. I have no problem with him as I've promoted him as a target. They are not separated by any significant amount but Green rates higher on my WS/48 list. The things some are knocking Green over are IMO overlooking Greens strengths in favor of minor weaknesses. I like both players and since Carroll actually plays as a SF I've been promoting Green.
Exactly, give me both and I'll be happy playing small ball with Melo at the 4. They would fit well with Russell or Towns but not so much if Okafor is the pick. If Melo is at the 4 I want a rim protector behind him.
If we are going to spend money on free agency my suggestion is to outbid everyone for Demmarre Carroll. Someone else said its a poor mans dray green with better offensive skills.
BRIGGS wrote:If we are going to spend money on free agency my suggestion is to outbid everyone for Demmarre Carroll. Someone else said its a poor mans dray green with better offensive skills.
I like DeMaRRe Carroll a lot however, I like Draymond Green much more
Do I like Carroll at 12m, not really, but understand getting him at 6m isn't happening anymore
I just find it a little funny how some could value Carroll at 12m even willing to overpay for him, while saying Green isn't worth a max contract when his contract is about 2m more
He has raised his contract/value much higher this season and playoffs while JR Smith finds a way to lower his value once again after having another good season
BRIGGS wrote:If we are going to spend money on free agency my suggestion is to outbid everyone for Demmarre Carroll. Someone else said its a poor mans dray green with better offensive skills.
I have Carroll high on my list, with Green as the fallback (and cheaper option)- ha, we could always go for him AND Milsap. It all depends on who we draft though- if we get a PG/SG or Winslow, then really we need to spend our money on the front court. If we draft OK4, then I go for Carroll (no C's really worth spending big money on. If we draft Towns, then maybe Monroe and Green
BRIGGS wrote:If I had to point to one player who has been brutal for the Spurs--its Green. When he is off his 3 ball--its a scary deal.His last 3 playoff games
6-24(25%) with 4 rebounds and 6 assists TOTAL in 30+ minutes per!! Name me one team that their SG plays like that in the playoffs and win games? Danny Green is a ROLE player and we are seeing the downside of that. We can find Danny Green in UDFA --is Danny Hilliard much different--same size--can hit the 3 ball at 40+% good build. Why would I spend 40mm$ on a role player who can get to the basket at a position where its near mandatory to get there?
Agreed
D.Green, wont be a Spur for long
DJMUSIC wrote:BRIGGS wrote:If I had to point to one player who has been brutal for the Spurs--its Green. When he is off his 3 ball--its a scary deal.His last 3 playoff games
6-24(25%) with 4 rebounds and 6 assists TOTAL in 30+ minutes per!! Name me one team that their SG plays like that in the playoffs and win games? Danny Green is a ROLE player and we are seeing the downside of that. We can find Danny Green in UDFA --is Danny Hilliard much different--same size--can hit the 3 ball at 40+% good build. Why would I spend 40mm$ on a role player who can get to the basket at a position where its near mandatory to get there?
Agreed
D.Green, wont be a Spur for long
Green had a very good game 7
this is a stupid argument.
I will agree with anyone who says we should pay up for D Carroll in fact if the Knicks give him 4 years 50 mm or even slightly higher it's a good deal he earned his way into it--unlike green car rolls game is diverse he can play 2-3-4 he's a solid rebounder defender and realistically his arsenal on offense is a higher tier than greens imho Carroll can avg 17-18 points and green can't.
To those who think you can't find another Danny green in the 2 nd round or ufda hell we just did his name is Langston Galloway and while he is not fully proven from what I have seen his value at 600 k compared to what a team will have to shell out to Green I can live with his bumps and bruises. The one big mistake the Knicks made with Galloway is not signing him to the rookie 3 year 4 mm contract and it will comeback to hurt us next year. No comparison Carroll equals great value and is a smart pick up green equals a value that won't be half as good. I don't like sg who don't take it to the basket and green does not. We don't have the offensive arsenal to support whether green is hot or cold from 3 we need diverse players with multi skill set. And for those who think defense is an overwhelming prognosticator of success to a point it over rides offensive skills you are not following basketball these teams need to get to 110 to win
BRIGGS wrote:this is a stupid argument.I will agree with anyone who says we should pay up for D Carroll in fact if the Knicks give him 4 years 50 mm or even slightly higher it's a good deal he earned his way into it--unlike green car rolls game is diverse he can play 2-3-4 he's a solid rebounder defender and realistically his arsenal on offense is a higher tier than greens imho Carroll can avg 17-18 points and green can't.
To those who think you can't find another Danny green in the 2 nd round or ufda hell we just did his name is Langston Galloway and while he is not fully proven from what I have seen his value at 600 k compared to what a team will have to shell out to Green I can live with his bumps and bruises. The one big mistake the Knicks made with Galloway is not signing him to the rookie 3 year 4 mm contract and it will comeback to hurt us next year. No comparison Carroll equals great value and is a smart pick up green equals a value that won't be half as good. I don't like sg who don't take it to the basket and green does not. We don't have the offensive arsenal to support whether green is hot or cold from 3 we need diverse players with multi skill set. And for those who think defense is an overwhelming prognosticator of success to a point it over rides offensive skills you are not following basketball these teams need to get to 110 to win
agreed Carroll is the #1 player i want on the wing. a versatile 3&d guy who can play guard or forward. i HOPE to get him but if we dont, id settle for d.green (for half the price). i dont think hes that great but hes still a wing who can defend and hit outside shots.
in terms of finding talent in the DLeague; im sure theyre out there. im just not holding my breath in finding one. galloway is a streaky shooter without size. im happy hes on the team; just not sure hes a starting SG in the NBA
BRIGGS wrote:this is a stupid argument.I will agree with anyone who says we should pay up for D Carroll in fact if the Knicks give him 4 years 50 mm or even slightly higher it's a good deal he earned his way into it--unlike green car rolls game is diverse he can play 2-3-4 he's a solid rebounder defender and realistically his arsenal on offense is a higher tier than greens imho Carroll can avg 17-18 points and green can't.
To those who think you can't find another Danny green in the 2 nd round or ufda hell we just did his name is Langston Galloway and while he is not fully proven from what I have seen his value at 600 k compared to what a team will have to shell out to Green I can live with his bumps and bruises. The one big mistake the Knicks made with Galloway is not signing him to the rookie 3 year 4 mm contract and it will comeback to hurt us next year. No comparison Carroll equals great value and is a smart pick up green equals a value that won't be half as good. I don't like sg who don't take it to the basket and green does not. We don't have the offensive arsenal to support whether green is hot or cold from 3 we need diverse players with multi skill set. And for those who think defense is an overwhelming prognosticator of success to a point it over rides offensive skills you are not following basketball these teams need to get to 110 to win
I'm sorry, but if you think players like Danny Green are easily available everywhere, you are deluded. It's not just about skill set.
smackeddog wrote:BRIGGS wrote:this is a stupid argument.I will agree with anyone who says we should pay up for D Carroll in fact if the Knicks give him 4 years 50 mm or even slightly higher it's a good deal he earned his way into it--unlike green car rolls game is diverse he can play 2-3-4 he's a solid rebounder defender and realistically his arsenal on offense is a higher tier than greens imho Carroll can avg 17-18 points and green can't.
To those who think you can't find another Danny green in the 2 nd round or ufda hell we just did his name is Langston Galloway and while he is not fully proven from what I have seen his value at 600 k compared to what a team will have to shell out to Green I can live with his bumps and bruises. The one big mistake the Knicks made with Galloway is not signing him to the rookie 3 year 4 mm contract and it will comeback to hurt us next year. No comparison Carroll equals great value and is a smart pick up green equals a value that won't be half as good. I don't like sg who don't take it to the basket and green does not. We don't have the offensive arsenal to support whether green is hot or cold from 3 we need diverse players with multi skill set. And for those who think defense is an overwhelming prognosticator of success to a point it over rides offensive skills you are not following basketball these teams need to get to 110 to win
I'm sorry, but if you think players like Danny Green are easily available everywhere, you are deluded. It's not just about skill set.
You're right, it isnt skillset, it's the system. He looks good because of who he plays with. He's totally replaceable, and if he asks for too much the Spurs likely will.
knickscity wrote:smackeddog wrote:BRIGGS wrote:this is a stupid argument.I will agree with anyone who says we should pay up for D Carroll in fact if the Knicks give him 4 years 50 mm or even slightly higher it's a good deal he earned his way into it--unlike green car rolls game is diverse he can play 2-3-4 he's a solid rebounder defender and realistically his arsenal on offense is a higher tier than greens imho Carroll can avg 17-18 points and green can't.
To those who think you can't find another Danny green in the 2 nd round or ufda hell we just did his name is Langston Galloway and while he is not fully proven from what I have seen his value at 600 k compared to what a team will have to shell out to Green I can live with his bumps and bruises. The one big mistake the Knicks made with Galloway is not signing him to the rookie 3 year 4 mm contract and it will comeback to hurt us next year. No comparison Carroll equals great value and is a smart pick up green equals a value that won't be half as good. I don't like sg who don't take it to the basket and green does not. We don't have the offensive arsenal to support whether green is hot or cold from 3 we need diverse players with multi skill set. And for those who think defense is an overwhelming prognosticator of success to a point it over rides offensive skills you are not following basketball these teams need to get to 110 to win
I'm sorry, but if you think players like Danny Green are easily available everywhere, you are deluded. It's not just about skill set.
You're right, it isnt skillset, it's the system. He looks good because of who he plays with. He's totally replaceable, and if he asks for too much the Spurs likely will.
Knicks city some of these guys have no clue( not breaking balls and I say this respectively towards other opinions)but Danny Green Is a product of the Spurs system on both ends and that any team paying big money will be surprised when he does not play as well for them You're dead on if green goes over 6 mm with the Spurs they will simply find another green. That s what they do
no doubt hes a product of the system but you cant deny his skills - dude can shoot and defend. would i pay him or max contract or even 10 mill...hell no. but he would be a nice addition to this team as a role player
knickscity wrote:smackeddog wrote:BRIGGS wrote:this is a stupid argument.I will agree with anyone who says we should pay up for D Carroll in fact if the Knicks give him 4 years 50 mm or even slightly higher it's a good deal he earned his way into it--unlike green car rolls game is diverse he can play 2-3-4 he's a solid rebounder defender and realistically his arsenal on offense is a higher tier than greens imho Carroll can avg 17-18 points and green can't.
To those who think you can't find another Danny green in the 2 nd round or ufda hell we just did his name is Langston Galloway and while he is not fully proven from what I have seen his value at 600 k compared to what a team will have to shell out to Green I can live with his bumps and bruises. The one big mistake the Knicks made with Galloway is not signing him to the rookie 3 year 4 mm contract and it will comeback to hurt us next year. No comparison Carroll equals great value and is a smart pick up green equals a value that won't be half as good. I don't like sg who don't take it to the basket and green does not. We don't have the offensive arsenal to support whether green is hot or cold from 3 we need diverse players with multi skill set. And for those who think defense is an overwhelming prognosticator of success to a point it over rides offensive skills you are not following basketball these teams need to get to 110 to win
I'm sorry, but if you think players like Danny Green are easily available everywhere, you are deluded. It's not just about skill set.
You're right, it isnt skillset, it's the system. He looks good because of who he plays with. He's totally replaceable, and if he asks for too much the Spurs likely will.
Its not just the system- a player still has to execute
I find it interesting one player is a product of a system but the other player isn't even though he has exploded playing in the same/similar system. Also, this notion that Carroll is a 2 is ridiculous. Can He guard a 2 occasionally yes but you do not want him chasing smaller wings off screens. You also wouldn't be able to have him switch and guard pgs if you have a point guard that is a below avg defender.
If Carroll was a 2 that would actually be good but he is as much a 2 guard as Stein is a 4.. Like I said before, the best idea is to pair Danny Green and Demarre Carroll up especially at lest than $10m a yr.. Let Danny be Carroll's Korver and Carroll can be Green's Leonard.
