I remember when Commissioner Stern nixed CP3 to Lakers, but I didn't really follow the whys. At the time I thought CP3 was vastly overrated (I remember his trips back then to the Garden against the Knicks showed nothing very special), so back then I didn't think it was a big deal that the Lakers were denied his services. But now...well, we see the fortunes of the two LA teams have greatly turned.
So what exactly was the reasoning behind the Commissioner stepping in and denying Chris Paul being sent to the Lakers?
FireWoodson wrote:I remember when Commissioner Stern nixed CP3 to Lakers, but I didn't really follow the whys. At the time I thought CP3 was vastly overrated (I remember his trips back then to the Garden against the Knicks showed nothing very special), so back then I didn't think it was a big deal that the Lakers were denied his services. But now...well, we see the fortunes of the two LA teams have greatly turned.So what exactly was the reasoning behind the Commissioner stepping in and denying Chris Paul being sent to the Lakers?
Because he didn't like the trade for New Orleans, as they were owned by the nba at the time.
isnt that story like 5 yrs old?
FireWoodson wrote:I remember when Commissioner Stern nixed CP3 to Lakers, but I didn't really follow the whys. At the time I thought CP3 was vastly overrated (I remember his trips back then to the Garden against the Knicks showed nothing very special), so back then I didn't think it was a big deal that the Lakers were denied his services. But now...well, we see the fortunes of the two LA teams have greatly turned.So what exactly was the reasoning behind the Commissioner stepping in and denying Chris Paul being sent to the Lakers?
Chris Paul wasn't overrated..He took NO team to the playoffs a few times in the West..He ate Kobe up in the playoffs in Kobe's prime..Kobe was guarding him should tell you he wasn't overrated..Its was a lopsided trade..Bro it's 4 years ago, what gives?
holfresh wrote:Bro it's 4 years ago, what gives?
Dude, it's not four years ago, it is NOW!
Now the one LA team that was denied Paul finished with one of the league's worst records, while now the other LA team just knocked out of the playoffs the defending Champions. Now is the time when this odd commissioner intervention should be examined. Did Stern anticipate one team would fall into the toilet while the other would be one of the league's strongest teams? That is what happened. Now is the time to be angry. Now is the time to ask "Why?"
Can someone please tell me how Stern got away with this? What exactly was his reasoning? Why did he deny the one LA team the player and said OK to the other LA team?
I knew when I decided to answers it was a mistake..That's 5 mins of my life I can't get back..
The owner of the New Orleans Hornets, David Stern, didn't think it was a good trade for New Orleans and vetoed it. The end.
can you briefly explain why every single thread you make sucks?
It's clearly part of a long-running conspiracy to keep the Lakers down. As long as they're not winning titles, the NBA is happy.
It was a conspiracy to keep the Knicks form getting him. A smoke screen, intended to confuse the NY media. There's no doubt that Chris Paul and David Stern were secret lovers and in cahoots on the whole deal. A source told me that Chris Paul's twin bro will be coming to the Knicks as a State Farm rep very soon.
Any other questions dingbat?
Moonangie wrote:It was a conspiracy to keep the Knicks form getting him. A smoke screen, intended to confuse the NY media. There's no doubt that Chris Paul and David Stern were secret lovers and in cahoots on the whole deal. A source told me that Chris Paul's twin bro will be coming to the Knicks as a State Farm rep very soon.Any other questions dingbat?
Or maybe that's just what they want you to think...
We're through the looking glass here, people.
FireWoodson wrote:holfresh wrote:Bro it's 4 years ago, what gives?
Dude, it's not four years ago, it is NOW!
Now the one LA team that was denied Paul finished with one of the league's worst records, while now the other LA team just knocked out of the playoffs the defending Champions. Now is the time when this odd commissioner intervention should be examined. Did Stern anticipate one team would fall into the toilet while the other would be one of the league's strongest teams? That is what happened. Now is the time to be angry. Now is the time to ask "Why?"
Can someone please tell me how Stern got away with this? What exactly was his reasoning? Why did he deny the one LA team the player and said OK to the other LA team?
Which package is better?
Package A: Luis Scola, Kevin Martin, Lamar Odom AND NO PICKS.
Package B: Eric Gordon, Chris Kaman, Al Farouq Aminu, the 11th pick in the 2012 draft and the opportunity to be bad enough to select Anthony Davis.
....Does that answer your question?
As a side, Melo definitely fucked this team by not signing with us in the offseason. We could've easily bested that package with the players we gave up to get Melo a half season early. Imagine how ridiculously good we would've been the past few years with CP3 and Melo at the helm!
Then again, had Donnie Walsh been worth a damn, maybe we would've had more assets to parlay for both players. It's hard to believe that we burned so many assets just to dump Jared Jefferies paltry $7 million contract. Think that Jordan Hill, our 2012 first round pick and a bunch of 2nd rounders would've meant something in our pursuit of either star? I definitely do.
NardDogNation wrote:FireWoodson wrote:holfresh wrote:Bro it's 4 years ago, what gives?
Dude, it's not four years ago, it is NOW!
Now the one LA team that was denied Paul finished with one of the league's worst records, while now the other LA team just knocked out of the playoffs the defending Champions. Now is the time when this odd commissioner intervention should be examined. Did Stern anticipate one team would fall into the toilet while the other would be one of the league's strongest teams? That is what happened. Now is the time to be angry. Now is the time to ask "Why?"
Can someone please tell me how Stern got away with this? What exactly was his reasoning? Why did he deny the one LA team the player and said OK to the other LA team?
Which package is better?
Package A: Luis Scola, Kevin Martin, Lamar Odom AND NO PICKS.
Package B: Eric Gordon, Chris Kaman, Al Farouq Aminu, the 11th pick in the 2012 draft and the opportunity to be bad enough to select Anthony Davis.
....Does that answer your question?
As a side, Melo definitely fucked this team by not signing with us in the offseason. We could've easily bested that package with the players we gave up to get Melo a half season early. Imagine how ridiculously good we would've been the past few years with CP3 and Melo at the helm!
Then again, had Donnie Walsh been worth a damn, maybe we would've had more assets to parlay for both players. It's hard to believe that we burned so many assets just to dump Jared Jefferies paltry $7 million contract. Think that Jordan Hill, our 2012 first round pick and a bunch of 2nd rounders would've meant something in our pursuit of either star? I definitely do.
Sometimes when we go back to revisit, we forget actual details. this was the actual pieces the Hornets were supposed to get....
The proposed trade would have sent Paul to the Lakers, Pau Gasol to the Rockets and furnished New Orleans with three top-flight NBA players in Kevin Martin, Luis Scola and Lamar Odom as well as playoff-tested guard Goran Dragic and a 2012 first-round pick that Houston had acquired from the Knicks.
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story...
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/97504...
The deal that Demps agreed to was vastly better than the one the NBA wound up taking. Winning the lottery was by circumstance.
As for the reason why the NBA nixed the deal? Real simple, the NBA owners did not want to see the Lakers become a powerhouse again most notably Dan Gilbert who had just lost leBron. Unfortunately Dr. Buss was ill and couldnt eun the team, had he not been sick no way this deal not go down. Plus everyone knew what the lakers were trying to do....Add Chris Paul with Kobe and then Dwight Howard.
it was a poor trade for New Orleans and would have allowed D12 to probably stay in LA had it gone through
Considering what we payed for CA, CP3 was a complete steal in both trades with the one that got NIXED and the one that went through
The teams didn't add in poor multiple poor contracts to the deals that Denver did to us that totally screwed our ability to improve after the trade
Knixkik wrote:FireWoodson wrote:I remember when Commissioner Stern nixed CP3 to Lakers, but I didn't really follow the whys. At the time I thought CP3 was vastly overrated (I remember his trips back then to the Garden against the Knicks showed nothing very special), so back then I didn't think it was a big deal that the Lakers were denied his services. But now...well, we see the fortunes of the two LA teams have greatly turned.So what exactly was the reasoning behind the Commissioner stepping in and denying Chris Paul being sent to the Lakers?
Because he didn't like the trade for New Orleans, as they were owned by the nba at the time.
it don't get no briefer than that
So 5 years later someone could start a thread about it on a Knicks fan message board
knickscity wrote:NardDogNation wrote:FireWoodson wrote:holfresh wrote:Bro it's 4 years ago, what gives?
Dude, it's not four years ago, it is NOW!
Now the one LA team that was denied Paul finished with one of the league's worst records, while now the other LA team just knocked out of the playoffs the defending Champions. Now is the time when this odd commissioner intervention should be examined. Did Stern anticipate one team would fall into the toilet while the other would be one of the league's strongest teams? That is what happened. Now is the time to be angry. Now is the time to ask "Why?"
Can someone please tell me how Stern got away with this? What exactly was his reasoning? Why did he deny the one LA team the player and said OK to the other LA team?
Which package is better?
Package A: Luis Scola, Kevin Martin, Lamar Odom AND NO PICKS.
Package B: Eric Gordon, Chris Kaman, Al Farouq Aminu, the 11th pick in the 2012 draft and the opportunity to be bad enough to select Anthony Davis.
....Does that answer your question?
As a side, Melo definitely fucked this team by not signing with us in the offseason. We could've easily bested that package with the players we gave up to get Melo a half season early. Imagine how ridiculously good we would've been the past few years with CP3 and Melo at the helm!
Then again, had Donnie Walsh been worth a damn, maybe we would've had more assets to parlay for both players. It's hard to believe that we burned so many assets just to dump Jared Jefferies paltry $7 million contract. Think that Jordan Hill, our 2012 first round pick and a bunch of 2nd rounders would've meant something in our pursuit of either star? I definitely do.
Sometimes when we go back to revisit, we forget actual details. this was the actual pieces the Hornets were supposed to get....The proposed trade would have sent Paul to the Lakers, Pau Gasol to the Rockets and furnished New Orleans with three top-flight NBA players in Kevin Martin, Luis Scola and Lamar Odom as well as playoff-tested guard Goran Dragic and a 2012 first-round pick that Houston had acquired from the Knicks.
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story...
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/97504...
The deal that Demps agreed to was vastly better than the one the NBA wound up taking. Winning the lottery was by circumstance.
Perhaps. But if you notice, these articles were reported AFTER the deal had already been nixed. At that point, the prevailing message wasn't about details of a dead trade but the fact that it wasn't going to happen.
And as the facts stand now, I still struggle to recognize your counter-argument. The Pelicans being as bad as they were post-Paul allowed them to get Anthony Davis, which changed the entire forecast of that franchise. Had they accepted the Laker deal, they would've picked up a few meaningless wins that could've jeopardized their lottery standings and turned then into what the Rockets were pre-Harden.
And now look at what Kevin Martin, Luis Scola and Lamar Odom are; there isn't a single starter in the bunch. Yes, Goran Dragic was a part of the deal but has he really proven anything during his career outside of one stellar season that he's been milking for all its worth? And considering that he left a winning team in Phoenix, what gives you the impression that he would've stuck around in New Orleans once he became an unrestricted free agent?
All I know is that in 2012, Eric Gordon had more value than Dragic and that the prevailing thought was that Chris Kaman could be re-packaged for additional assets. Unfortunately for the Pelicans, Demps is an idiot and thought he could build a winner sooner than later and held onto Kaman foolheartedly for him to walk in the offseason. Had Stern continued to micromanage that team, they'd be in a far better place for it than they are today.
