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Tuesday, May 12, 2015
Phil hints Knicks won't rely on the 3
By Ian Begley

NEW YORK -- Phil Jackson isn’t very Zen when it comes to teams that rely heavily on the 3-point shot in the postseason.

Jackson sent out several tweets over the past two days hinting at his distaste for teams that live and die by the 3-point shot it in the playoffs.

Based on this evidence, it’s probably safe to assume that the Knicks won’t be a team that does so under Jackson's watch.

Statistically, the 3-point shot has become a bigger component of NBA offenses in recent seasons.

Are 3s the key? Phil Jackson re-emphasized his belief that the long ball doesn't win titles.
As pointed out by FiveThirtyEight, 3-point attempts have steadily risen since their introduction in the 1979-80 season. NBA offenses that take a high rate of 3-pointers have also had success.

And for good reason. A 3-point shot is more valuable than a long 2-pointer; for example, if a player shoots 40 percent from just inside the arc and 30 percent from beyond the arc, he’d score more points by shooting 10 3s (9 points) than he would by shooting 10 long 2s (8 points). The 3-ball can also force a defense to stretch out to the arc, which often creates seams in the defense that can be exploited.

Shooting the 3 isn't a fool-proof way to win. But it’s hard to ignore the results: seven of the past eight NBA champions have led all playoff teams in 3-point attempts and makes.

In this postseason, five of the eight teams remaining were in the top 10 in 3-point percentage in the regular season. Of those five teams (Houston, Golden State, Cleveland, Atlanta, L.A. Clippers), four are projected to win their series by ESPN’s BPI. There is also an 86 percent chance that the eventual NBA Finals winner comes from this group, per ESPN’s BPI.

For what it’s worth, the teams Jackson coached have ranged from fifth in the league in 3-point rate (2006-07) to 22nd (2003-04, 1991-92). In the seasons in which they won the title, Jackson’s teams ranged from seventh in regular season 3-point rate (2001-02) to 22nd (1991-92).

The Knicks led the league in 3-point attempts in 2012-13, when they won 54 regular-season games. That team lost in the second-round of the playoffs to the Pacers. The 2014-15 Knicks ranked 21st in 3-point rate and finished with 17 wins.

I think phil tweets to get a reaction, because IF GS and ATL meet in the finals, you know how stupid he would sound.

knicks1248 wrote:I think phil tweets to get a reaction, because IF GS and ATL meet in the finals, you know how stupid he would sound.

PHil don't care. ANd if it does happen, you think one season makes for a permanent trend?

How stupid is this:

knicks1248 wrote:I think phil tweets to get a reaction, because IF GS and ATL meet in the finals, you know how stupid he would sound.

He sounds stupid anyway. Virtually every team left in the playoffs has an offense that relies on 3-pointers. And the last several Finals saw teams that take and hit a lot of 3s playing for the title: Dallas, OKC, SAS, and Miami.

Can some one take away Phil's twitter account..

VCoug wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I think phil tweets to get a reaction, because IF GS and ATL meet in the finals, you know how stupid he would sound.

He sounds stupid anyway. Virtually every team left in the playoffs has an offense that relies on 3-pointers. And the last several Finals saw teams that take and hit a lot of 3s playing for the title: Dallas, OKC, SAS, and Miami.

Those teams you mentioned shoot the three but they don't rely on it...I think some are taking Phil Jax a little to literal...

holfresh wrote:

VCoug wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I think phil tweets to get a reaction, because IF GS and ATL meet in the finals, you know how stupid he would sound.

He sounds stupid anyway. Virtually every team left in the playoffs has an offense that relies on 3-pointers. And the last several Finals saw teams that take and hit a lot of 3s playing for the title: Dallas, OKC, SAS, and Miami.

Those teams you mentioned shoot the three but they don't rely on it...I think some are taking Phil Jax a little to literal...

THIS! He's always had 3pt shooters. He just doesn't rely on it to win. There's a difference in how he wants to balance the use of the 3pt shot. Not only that but PG dominant PnR offense is not something he wants the team reliant on either. Sure he need to use it but the over reliance is what he's against.

I am much more comfortable with Jason Smith taking a gazillion 21 footers

holfresh wrote:

VCoug wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I think phil tweets to get a reaction, because IF GS and ATL meet in the finals, you know how stupid he would sound.

He sounds stupid anyway. Virtually every team left in the playoffs has an offense that relies on 3-pointers. And the last several Finals saw teams that take and hit a lot of 3s playing for the title: Dallas, OKC, SAS, and Miami.

Those teams you mentioned shoot the three but they don't rely on it...I think some are taking Phil Jax a little to literal...

GS Cavs and Hawks take almost 30 threes a game. Chi is at 27, Wizards at 25. Only the Grizzlies dont. Phil sounds dumb as hell, he isnt the coach, he needs to close his mouth, shut down his twitter and watch the games.

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

VCoug wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I think phil tweets to get a reaction, because IF GS and ATL meet in the finals, you know how stupid he would sound.

He sounds stupid anyway. Virtually every team left in the playoffs has an offense that relies on 3-pointers. And the last several Finals saw teams that take and hit a lot of 3s playing for the title: Dallas, OKC, SAS, and Miami.

Those teams you mentioned shoot the three but they don't rely on it...I think some are taking Phil Jax a little to literal...

GS Cavs and Hawks take almost 30 threes a game. Chi is at 27, Wizards at 25. Only the Grizzlies dont. Phil sounds dumb as hell, he isnt the coach, he needs to close his mouth, shut down his twitter and watch the games.

You are looking at playoff numbers..Rockets took close to 33 per during the regular season..In recent years, Teams winning Championships wasn't reliant on the three...Miami, SAS, Dallas shot 22/23 per...I think you have to have an inside game as well..Doesn't mean GS won't win..But you can see how they are vulnerable..Phil is far from dumb..He does need to step away from the keyboard tho..

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

VCoug wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I think phil tweets to get a reaction, because IF GS and ATL meet in the finals, you know how stupid he would sound.

He sounds stupid anyway. Virtually every team left in the playoffs has an offense that relies on 3-pointers. And the last several Finals saw teams that take and hit a lot of 3s playing for the title: Dallas, OKC, SAS, and Miami.

Those teams you mentioned shoot the three but they don't rely on it...I think some are taking Phil Jax a little to literal...

GS Cavs and Hawks take almost 30 threes a game. Chi is at 27, Wizards at 25. Only the Grizzlies dont. Phil sounds dumb as hell, he isnt the coach, he needs to close his mouth, shut down his twitter and watch the games.

You are looking at playoff numbers..Rockets took close to 33 per during the regular season..In recent years, Teams winning Championships wasn't reliant on the three...Miami, SAS, Dallas shot 22/23 per...I think you have to have an inside game as well..Doesn't mean GS won't win..But you can see how they are vulnerable..Phil is far from dumb..He does need to step away from the keyboard tho..

Of course I'm looking at playoff numbers as I should, isnt the playoffs going on? Last year SA was in the top 10, Miami was in the top 5 in threes attempted, the previous year both were in the top 10 as well with the difference between 2 and 10 being a mere 4 attempts. Just curious, what was SA, Dallas, and Miami's "inside game"?

It's 2015 and Phil was last in the playoffs in 2011 when he lost to the Mavs. People talk like he has no idea what's going on in the NBA and like he's never had to deal with the kind of offense teams are playing now. It gets tiring to read comments about him being out of touch and old. Yes he's old but he hasn't been out of the game that long that he has no idea what he's talking about.

Someone look up Lakers under phil.

Knicks won't rely on the three, does not mean its not an important tool. Guess what, better teams shoot well.

It think the discussion is "OVER RELIANCE". But then some of you are smarter than Phil and label him "Stupid".
He is not afraid of sounding stupid.
Some of you should be.

Probably the funniest tweet I've read today.....

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knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

VCoug wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I think phil tweets to get a reaction, because IF GS and ATL meet in the finals, you know how stupid he would sound.

He sounds stupid anyway. Virtually every team left in the playoffs has an offense that relies on 3-pointers. And the last several Finals saw teams that take and hit a lot of 3s playing for the title: Dallas, OKC, SAS, and Miami.

Those teams you mentioned shoot the three but they don't rely on it...I think some are taking Phil Jax a little to literal...

GS Cavs and Hawks take almost 30 threes a game. Chi is at 27, Wizards at 25. Only the Grizzlies dont. Phil sounds dumb as hell, he isnt the coach, he needs to close his mouth, shut down his twitter and watch the games.

You are looking at playoff numbers..Rockets took close to 33 per during the regular season..In recent years, Teams winning Championships wasn't reliant on the three...Miami, SAS, Dallas shot 22/23 per...I think you have to have an inside game as well..Doesn't mean GS won't win..But you can see how they are vulnerable..Phil is far from dumb..He does need to step away from the keyboard tho..

Of course I'm looking at playoff numbers as I should, isnt the playoffs going on? Last year SA was in the top 10, Miami was in the top 5 in threes attempted, the previous year both were in the top 10 as well with the difference between 2 and 10 being a mere 4 attempts. Just curious, what was SA, Dallas, and Miami's "inside game"?

U can't look at playoff results because it's a smaller sample and you are disproving your own point...SA was top 10 of 16 teams????????..Does that make sense???..SA was 17th in 3PA during the regular season and won a Championship..Phil might know something, what do u think???

Nalod wrote:Someone look up Lakers under phil.

Knicks won't rely on the three, does not mean its not an important tool. Guess what, better teams shoot well.

It think the discussion is "OVER RELIANCE". But then some of you are smarter than Phil and label him "Stupid".
He is not afraid of sounding stupid.
Some of you should be.

BJ Armstrong, Paxton and Hodges shot the three with regularity a generation ago...I don't get it...

this is much to do about nothing. to me hes simply saying that he doesnt want to rely on the 3. he doesnt hate 3pters...just prefers balance

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

VCoug wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I think phil tweets to get a reaction, because IF GS and ATL meet in the finals, you know how stupid he would sound.

He sounds stupid anyway. Virtually every team left in the playoffs has an offense that relies on 3-pointers. And the last several Finals saw teams that take and hit a lot of 3s playing for the title: Dallas, OKC, SAS, and Miami.

Those teams you mentioned shoot the three but they don't rely on it...I think some are taking Phil Jax a little to literal...

GS Cavs and Hawks take almost 30 threes a game. Chi is at 27, Wizards at 25. Only the Grizzlies dont. Phil sounds dumb as hell, he isnt the coach, he needs to close his mouth, shut down his twitter and watch the games.

You are looking at playoff numbers..Rockets took close to 33 per during the regular season..In recent years, Teams winning Championships wasn't reliant on the three...Miami, SAS, Dallas shot 22/23 per...I think you have to have an inside game as well..Doesn't mean GS won't win..But you can see how they are vulnerable..Phil is far from dumb..He does need to step away from the keyboard tho..

Of course I'm looking at playoff numbers as I should, isnt the playoffs going on? Last year SA was in the top 10, Miami was in the top 5 in threes attempted, the previous year both were in the top 10 as well with the difference between 2 and 10 being a mere 4 attempts. Just curious, what was SA, Dallas, and Miami's "inside game"?

U can't look at playoff results because it's a smaller sample and you are disproving your own point...SA was top 10 of 16 teams????????..Does that make sense???..SA was 17th in 3PA during the regular season and won a Championship..Phil might know something, what do u think???

What do you think Phil himself is watching? His tweets are based on the playoffs, not regular season Matchups. We are talking about winning TITLES. What team won a title in the regular season? You're better than this.

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knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

VCoug wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I think phil tweets to get a reaction, because IF GS and ATL meet in the finals, you know how stupid he would sound.

He sounds stupid anyway. Virtually every team left in the playoffs has an offense that relies on 3-pointers. And the last several Finals saw teams that take and hit a lot of 3s playing for the title: Dallas, OKC, SAS, and Miami.

Those teams you mentioned shoot the three but they don't rely on it...I think some are taking Phil Jax a little to literal...

GS Cavs and Hawks take almost 30 threes a game. Chi is at 27, Wizards at 25. Only the Grizzlies dont. Phil sounds dumb as hell, he isnt the coach, he needs to close his mouth, shut down his twitter and watch the games.

You are looking at playoff numbers..Rockets took close to 33 per during the regular season..In recent years, Teams winning Championships wasn't reliant on the three...Miami, SAS, Dallas shot 22/23 per...I think you have to have an inside game as well..Doesn't mean GS won't win..But you can see how they are vulnerable..Phil is far from dumb..He does need to step away from the keyboard tho..

Of course I'm looking at playoff numbers as I should, isnt the playoffs going on? Last year SA was in the top 10, Miami was in the top 5 in threes attempted, the previous year both were in the top 10 as well with the difference between 2 and 10 being a mere 4 attempts. Just curious, what was SA, Dallas, and Miami's "inside game"?

U can't look at playoff results because it's a smaller sample and you are disproving your own point...SA was top 10 of 16 teams????????..Does that make sense???..SA was 17th in 3PA during the regular season and won a Championship..Phil might know something, what do u think???

What do you think Phil himself is watching? His tweets are based on the playoffs, not regular season Matchups. We are talking about winning TITLES. What team won a title in the regular season? You're better than this.

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ok let's do it your way..Of the 16 teams in the playoffs last year, the Spurs were 10th in 3PA, borderline the bottom 3rd of playoff teams, Miami was 5th in 3PA, does that prove your point or Phil's point??

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:Someone look up Lakers under phil.

Knicks won't rely on the three, does not mean its not an important tool. Guess what, better teams shoot well.

It think the discussion is "OVER RELIANCE". But then some of you are smarter than Phil and label him "Stupid".
He is not afraid of sounding stupid.
Some of you should be.

BJ Armstrong, Paxton and Hodges shot the three with regularity a generation ago...I don't get it...

Nobody said Bulls abstained from it.

Has a regular season team that had the highest % of 3 pts made as a percentage of total points ever won a championship?

Lets go back a bit.

Team ranking (reg season) Champion

12th Spurs
14th heat
4th heat
7th mavs
15th lakers
12th lakers
19th celts
8th spurs
12th heat
10th Spurs

https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/th...

Nalod wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:Someone look up Lakers under phil.

Knicks won't rely on the three, does not mean its not an important tool. Guess what, better teams shoot well.

It think the discussion is "OVER RELIANCE". But then some of you are smarter than Phil and label him "Stupid".
He is not afraid of sounding stupid.
Some of you should be.

BJ Armstrong, Paxton and Hodges shot the three with regularity a generation ago...I don't get it...

Nobody said Bulls abstained from it.

Has a regular season team that had the highest % of 3 pts made as a percentage of total points ever won a championship?

Lets go back a bit.

Team ranking (reg season) Champion

12th Spurs
14th heat
4th heat
7th mavs
15th lakers
12th lakers
19th celts
8th spurs
12th heat
10th Spurs

https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/th...

Yeah but Championship rings prior to Hollinger doesn't really count...