nixluva wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:franco12 wrote:if dolan vetos trading back to pick kaminsky, he should just take kaminsky with whatever our pick is.
What are you talking about?? Dolan has absolutely nothing to do with this draft and who Phil decides to pick.
People are crazy if they think Dolan paid Phil all that money so he could come in and take over the draft from Phil. How would Dolan even know what a good draft pick was? He doesn't know. I think this is one of the worst hack jobs that Isola has done. He's constantly trying to screw he Knicks. Dolan sucks and I hate the Isiah deal but none of that means Dolan is ready to mess up what Phil and his staff have been working on all these months.
Hellz no. I would believe the Frank Asshola story about Phil being mad about Dolan bringing Isaiah back before i'd believe that Phil would allow Dolan to have ANYTHING to do with this draft pick or this free agency or anything while Phil is the president. But unfortunately i do believe Dolan plans on replacing Phil with Isaiah when Phil leaves.
holfresh wrote:dk7th wrote:holfresh wrote:dk7th wrote:holfresh wrote:Phil might trade down for Kaminsky..hahahahahhahaha..
if the knicks don't get one of the two top picks, then you have to consider trading down. it need not be ruled out. kaminsky is going to be a solid pro no matter what some people think. i'd be very happy if somehow the knicks could draft both winslow and kaminsky if the first two picks are not there.
what's your back-up plan if the first two picks are not available and why?
The big laugh was due to the story..I think the writer got it off this board..But I won't sign Kaminsky..He plays zero defense...ZERO...He gets pushed around by college kids in the post...What's going to happen at this level...He is no different from Bargs..Only healthier and younger..
so isola is fishing for uk posts to rumor monger. that's ridiculous.
we need defenders in the worst possible way, but if the first two picks are not available, especially towns, then what's your back-up plan?
The next best player available..Russell,Winslow, Mudwhoever..So we need defenders in the worst possible way and you are touting Kaminsky to fill the void?
yes we need defenders which is why if we can't get towns we need to trade down to get a genuine two-way player like winslow. stein would be nice but winslow has a potential "it" factor like leonard, george, butler. knicks can't take russell because he is not a defender and the triangle does not require ball-dominant guards not named jordan.
what the triangle does require-- and here is where the "best player available" mantra makes no sense-- is a player with good midpost and elbow skills, be it shooting or making playmaking passes to off the ball cutters. and that is why kaminsky would be a good pick for the knicks, even if you have issues with his defense. he is a 7-footer and you can't teach height. and by the by, who was he being pushed around by in the title game? i must have missed that aspect of the game.
Actually Russell isn't ball dominant. He plays off the ball just as well as when he runs point. Russell is a true combo guard. He's more of a scorer but can make spectacular passes. Very much like Steph Curry.
nixluva wrote:Actually Russell isn't ball dominant. He plays off the ball just as well as when he runs point. Russell is a true combo guard. He's more of a scorer but can make spectacular passes. Very much like Steph Curry.
ok if you say so-- since folks seem to project him as top 5 do you see him as a better defender than curry, who was drafted 6th? i ask only because you cannot expect him to be of the same level of shooter as curry for one thing. so the less he is effective on offense the more you need him to be that much better on defense.
at the end of the day you need a positive-sum player, which curry certainly is. but is russell?
also, i read the recap of the last college game russell played: he got locked down by a 3rd round draft pick, who himself had a great game, guarded presumably by russell.
dk7th wrote:holfresh wrote:dk7th wrote:holfresh wrote:dk7th wrote:holfresh wrote:Phil might trade down for Kaminsky..hahahahahhahaha..
if the knicks don't get one of the two top picks, then you have to consider trading down. it need not be ruled out. kaminsky is going to be a solid pro no matter what some people think. i'd be very happy if somehow the knicks could draft both winslow and kaminsky if the first two picks are not there.
what's your back-up plan if the first two picks are not available and why?
The big laugh was due to the story..I think the writer got it off this board..But I won't sign Kaminsky..He plays zero defense...ZERO...He gets pushed around by college kids in the post...What's going to happen at this level...He is no different from Bargs..Only healthier and younger..
so isola is fishing for uk posts to rumor monger. that's ridiculous.
we need defenders in the worst possible way, but if the first two picks are not available, especially towns, then what's your back-up plan?
The next best player available..Russell,Winslow, Mudwhoever..So we need defenders in the worst possible way and you are touting Kaminsky to fill the void?
yes we need defenders which is why if we can't get towns we need to trade down to get a genuine two-way player like winslow. stein would be nice but winslow has a potential "it" factor like leonard, george, butler. knicks can't take russell because he is not a defender and the triangle does not require ball-dominant guards not named jordan.
what the triangle does require-- and here is where the "best player available" mantra makes no sense-- is a player with good midpost and elbow skills, be it shooting or making playmaking passes to off the ball cutters. and that is why kaminsky would be a good pick for the knicks, even if you have issues with his defense. he is a 7-footer and you can't teach height. and by the by, who was he being pushed around by in the title game? i must have missed that aspect of the game.
By the time this pick comes of age, Phil won't be here...You only talk defense but U don't mean it..How is Kaminsky different from Bargnani???.Kaminsky is three years older than Russell, so skill iwse more advanced than any pick coming out..You have to discount that..I see Russell as a Conley type player..Bargs over Conley, really, in today's game??..Kaminsky was being pushed around by everyone who he played against..I'm not worried about Phil picking Kaminsky, Phil talks about defense and unlike you he means it..Melo can give you what Kaminsy gives you and much, much more...Pick doesn't make sense..
If we are serious about making a push during the Melo era and the triangle, we need interior defense, post play and post presence, wing players to handle the ball and shoot the three, outside shooting PG and more defenders..Kaminsky is like 12th on that list of top 10 needs...
dk7th wrote:holfresh wrote:dk7th wrote:holfresh wrote:dk7th wrote:holfresh wrote:Phil might trade down for Kaminsky..hahahahahhahaha..
if the knicks don't get one of the two top picks, then you have to consider trading down. it need not be ruled out. kaminsky is going to be a solid pro no matter what some people think. i'd be very happy if somehow the knicks could draft both winslow and kaminsky if the first two picks are not there.
what's your back-up plan if the first two picks are not available and why?
The big laugh was due to the story..I think the writer got it off this board..But I won't sign Kaminsky..He plays zero defense...ZERO...He gets pushed around by college kids in the post...What's going to happen at this level...He is no different from Bargs..Only healthier and younger..
so isola is fishing for uk posts to rumor monger. that's ridiculous.
we need defenders in the worst possible way, but if the first two picks are not available, especially towns, then what's your back-up plan?
The next best player available..Russell,Winslow, Mudwhoever..So we need defenders in the worst possible way and you are touting Kaminsky to fill the void?
yes we need defenders which is why if we can't get towns we need to trade down to get a genuine two-way player like winslow. stein would be nice but winslow has a potential "it" factor like leonard, george, butler. knicks can't take russell because he is not a defender and the triangle does not require ball-dominant guards not named jordan.
what the triangle does require-- and here is where the "best player available" mantra makes no sense-- is a player with good midpost and elbow skills, be it shooting or making playmaking passes to off the ball cutters. and that is why kaminsky would be a good pick for the knicks, even if you have issues with his defense. he is a 7-footer and you can't teach height. and by the by, who was he being pushed around by in the title game? i must have missed that aspect of the game.
But we need guys that can play defense in the NBA and Kaminsky won't be that guy so why would we draft him?? Everyone is just going right by who will be one of the best players to come out of this draft and he has offense and defense in K.Porzingis.
holfresh wrote:If we are serious about making a push during the Melo era and the triangle, we need interior defense, post play and post presence, wing players to handle the ball and shoot the three, outside shooting PG and more defenders..Kaminsky is like 12th on that list of top 10 needs...
Yeah i'm with you on Kaminsky. I like the kid and think he'll be a decent player in the NBA and i think offensively he fits the triangle, but he won't give us anything that we need on defense, so i understand how people like him but people on here act like they know sooooo much about basketball and who will be what in the NBA but they can't even figure out that he can't give us what we need defensively.....GEESH.
Dolan also needs backup plan.
If Phil will be gone for whatever reason how the hell the Knicks can be interesting again?
Isiah... is the easy answer.
TV crimes at its best!!!
holfresh wrote:If we are serious about making a push during the Melo era and the triangle, we need interior defense, post play and post presence, wing players to handle the ball and shoot the three, outside shooting PG and more defenders..Kaminsky is like 12th on that list of top 10 needs...
We need TOWNS. Pretty much.
holfresh wrote:If we are serious about making a push during the Melo era and the triangle, we need interior defense, post play and post presence, wing players to handle the ball and shoot the three, outside shooting PG and more defenders..Kaminsky is like 12th on that list of top 10 needs...
It might be easier to list the things we don't need
nixluva wrote:Actually Russell isn't ball dominant. He plays off the ball just as well as when he runs point. Russell is a true combo guard. He's more of a scorer but can make spectacular passes. Very much like Steph Curry.
would you take him at #2
Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:If we are serious about making a push during the Melo era and the triangle, we need interior defense, post play and post presence, wing players to handle the ball and shoot the three, outside shooting PG and more defenders..Kaminsky is like 12th on that list of top 10 needs...
It might be easier to list the things we don't need
Exactly,
No matter we draft, he's going to start, and probably be ROY
dk7th wrote:nixluva wrote:Actually Russell isn't ball dominant. He plays off the ball just as well as when he runs point. Russell is a true combo guard. He's more of a scorer but can make spectacular passes. Very much like Steph Curry.
ok if you say so-- since folks seem to project him as top 5 do you see him as a better defender than curry, who was drafted 6th? i ask only because you cannot expect him to be of the same level of shooter as curry for one thing. so the less he is effective on offense the more you need him to be that much better on defense.
at the end of the day you need a positive-sum player, which curry certainly is. but is russell?
also, i read the recap of the last college game russell played: he got locked down by a 3rd round draft pick, who himself had a great game, guarded presumably by russell.
Comparing someone with Curry is kind've unfair since Curry just had a historic season shooting the ball. Russell doesn't have to be at the level of basically a savant to be a positive sum player. Russell also has PG skills so he can contribute racking up assists as well. Also its a bit unfair to judge him on one game and also keep in mind he's super young.
I think Russell has the ability to be a competent defender. He won't win any DPOY awards but his stroke is very sweet and he is a very good passer, on par with many PG's. I think the kid is gonna be on the level of a Brandon Roy.
Russell IMO is a very complete player. I think he also had some injury issues late in the year. He has a ton of talent. I feel he's #3 behind Towns and Okafor, but wouldn't really have a problem if Phil took him #2 after working out all the top players. It would indicate Russell was an amazing talent. Perhaps more than he showed in college. Only Phil and his staff can make that determination. None of us will be able to see the private workouts. I would trust Phil's judgement.
nixluva wrote:Russell IMO is a very complete player. I think he also had some injury issues late in the year. He has a ton of talent. I feel he's #3 behind Towns and Okafor, but wouldn't really have a problem if Phil took him #2 after working out all the top players. It would indicate Russell was an amazing talent. Perhaps more than he showed in college. Only Phil and his staff can make that determination. None of us will be able to see the private workouts. I would trust Phil's judgement.
Towns
OK4
Russell
...has been my top three for quite a long time, too. If we can snag a top 3 pick, we're in a happy place.
Are we guaranteed top 4 or top 5, can't remember?
Moonangie wrote:nixluva wrote:Russell IMO is a very complete player. I think he also had some injury issues late in the year. He has a ton of talent. I feel he's #3 behind Towns and Okafor, but wouldn't really have a problem if Phil took him #2 after working out all the top players. It would indicate Russell was an amazing talent. Perhaps more than he showed in college. Only Phil and his staff can make that determination. None of us will be able to see the private workouts. I would trust Phil's judgement.
Towns
OK4
Russell
...has been my top three for quite a long time, too. If we can snag a top 3 pick, we're in a happy place.
Are we guaranteed top 4 or top 5, can't remember?
We're guaranteed top 5.
newyorker4ever wrote:holfresh wrote:If we are serious about making a push during the Melo era and the triangle, we need interior defense, post play and post presence, wing players to handle the ball and shoot the three, outside shooting PG and more defenders..Kaminsky is like 12th on that list of top 10 needs...
Yeah i'm with you on Kaminsky. I like the kid and think he'll be a decent player in the NBA and i think offensively he fits the triangle, but he won't give us anything that we need on defense, so i understand how people like him but people on here act like they know sooooo much about basketball and who will be what in the NBA but they can't even figure out that he can't give us what we need defensively.....GEESH.
I think Kaminsky from the 4 will provide fine defense.can you point me to video of Frank playing poor defense or is it that he's a white guy from the usa?
BRIGGS wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:holfresh wrote:If we are serious about making a push during the Melo era and the triangle, we need interior defense, post play and post presence, wing players to handle the ball and shoot the three, outside shooting PG and more defenders..Kaminsky is like 12th on that list of top 10 needs...
Yeah i'm with you on Kaminsky. I like the kid and think he'll be a decent player in the NBA and i think offensively he fits the triangle, but he won't give us anything that we need on defense, so i understand how people like him but people on here act like they know sooooo much about basketball and who will be what in the NBA but they can't even figure out that he can't give us what we need defensively.....GEESH.
I think Kaminsky from the 4 will provide fine defense.can you point me to video of Frank playing poor defense or is it that he's a white guy from the usa?
that does not help. White guys from the USA do not exactly have a great track record as defenders.
name some who played recently
mreinman wrote:BRIGGS wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:holfresh wrote:If we are serious about making a push during the Melo era and the triangle, we need interior defense, post play and post presence, wing players to handle the ball and shoot the three, outside shooting PG and more defenders..Kaminsky is like 12th on that list of top 10 needs...
Yeah i'm with you on Kaminsky. I like the kid and think he'll be a decent player in the NBA and i think offensively he fits the triangle, but he won't give us anything that we need on defense, so i understand how people like him but people on here act like they know sooooo much about basketball and who will be what in the NBA but they can't even figure out that he can't give us what we need defensively.....GEESH.
I think Kaminsky from the 4 will provide fine defense.can you point me to video of Frank playing poor defense or is it that he's a white guy from the usa?
that does not help. White guys from the USA do not exactly have a great track record as defenders.
name some who played recently
Who is the pro analyst saying Kaminsky is a bs defender. Show me some video evidence. Just to say kaminsky can't defend wreaks of racism because it's not based on play.
BRIGGS wrote:mreinman wrote:BRIGGS wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:holfresh wrote:If we are serious about making a push during the Melo era and the triangle, we need interior defense, post play and post presence, wing players to handle the ball and shoot the three, outside shooting PG and more defenders..Kaminsky is like 12th on that list of top 10 needs...
Yeah i'm with you on Kaminsky. I like the kid and think he'll be a decent player in the NBA and i think offensively he fits the triangle, but he won't give us anything that we need on defense, so i understand how people like him but people on here act like they know sooooo much about basketball and who will be what in the NBA but they can't even figure out that he can't give us what we need defensively.....GEESH.
I think Kaminsky from the 4 will provide fine defense.can you point me to video of Frank playing poor defense or is it that he's a white guy from the usa?
that does not help. White guys from the USA do not exactly have a great track record as defenders.
name some who played recently
Who is the pro analyst saying Kaminsky is a bs defender. Show me some video evidence. Just to say kaminsky can't defend wreaks of racism because it's not based on play.
is it racism to say that tall scoring US born white guys are good defenders?
They rarely are.
Name some:
