Knicks · At what point is Chris Paul criticized for lack of success? (page 3)
gunsnewing wrote:Doc should relinquish his duties as GM but that is not the reason they lost this series. The team was good enough to dethrone the Champions. Like DK said they were simply gassed the final 3 games of this series. Houston was fresh off a 5 game series and give Houston credit. They refused to lose. Great job by Mchale getting Smith to contribute and as always great job by Ariza(ex-Knick) who always elevates his performance in the playoffs and is invaluable defensively and doing the little things to win.
and don't forgot our very own Cory Brewer.
mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Knixkik wrote:nyk4ever wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:nyk4ever wrote:LivingLegend wrote:Guys can play well and lead their team but still lose - I think that applies to Paul.Melo on the other hand doesn't lead, pass or defend like Paul and in terms of B-Ball IQ Paul dwarfs Melo.
not really trying to defend melo at all but... when has melo ever played with a guy like blake griffin or deandre jordan? all of pauls b-ball iq isn't enough to lead those guys further than the 2nd round of the playoffs? not to mention guys like reddick, barnes, crawford aren't even close to the kind of guys melo has ever played with. i think paul takes a HUGE hit this year with this loss, the clippers were/are arguably the 2nd best team in the west and they bow out early. instead of talking shit to dwight howard (who i hate) paul should have been more concerned with preserving a 16pt 4th guarter game 6 lead.
Melo's had a lot of all-stars and even Olympians over the years. I bet Iverson and maybe even Billups have a better shot at being in the HOF than Griffin and Jordan will. Billups was even a top 5 MVP candidate playing with Melo.thanks for the breaking news bonn. you despise iverson, so giving him as an example isn't really saying much. billups fine, he played well in denver. but to say billups and iverson (as they were late in their careers) equate to what griffin and jordan are, is quite silly.
Yeah nothing he has ever had competes with blake. Blake looked like an MVP when Paul was out in the playoffs. Melo never had someone who could take over at that level.
top 5 MVP candidate and NBA finals MVP doesn't count?
Iverson was not capable of taking games over on a level of Blake Griffin? Really?Iverson? Really? Did not expect this from you.
C'mon man ... he was terrible in Denver and the absolute worst matchup for a guy like Melo.
Yeah, using Iverson as an example is a reach to say the least. Billups was great, and from a leadership standpoint, is tough to compete with. He was finals MVP, no doubt. But 30-something year old billups cannot be compared to Blake right now from a talent standpoint, which is what is being compared. Paul plays with a lot of talent. He plays with 1 other franchise player, 1 other star player, and role players built to surround these stars.
Knixkik wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Knixkik wrote:nyk4ever wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:nyk4ever wrote:LivingLegend wrote:Guys can play well and lead their team but still lose - I think that applies to Paul.Melo on the other hand doesn't lead, pass or defend like Paul and in terms of B-Ball IQ Paul dwarfs Melo.
not really trying to defend melo at all but... when has melo ever played with a guy like blake griffin or deandre jordan? all of pauls b-ball iq isn't enough to lead those guys further than the 2nd round of the playoffs? not to mention guys like reddick, barnes, crawford aren't even close to the kind of guys melo has ever played with. i think paul takes a HUGE hit this year with this loss, the clippers were/are arguably the 2nd best team in the west and they bow out early. instead of talking shit to dwight howard (who i hate) paul should have been more concerned with preserving a 16pt 4th guarter game 6 lead.
Melo's had a lot of all-stars and even Olympians over the years. I bet Iverson and maybe even Billups have a better shot at being in the HOF than Griffin and Jordan will. Billups was even a top 5 MVP candidate playing with Melo.thanks for the breaking news bonn. you despise iverson, so giving him as an example isn't really saying much. billups fine, he played well in denver. but to say billups and iverson (as they were late in their careers) equate to what griffin and jordan are, is quite silly.
Yeah nothing he has ever had competes with blake. Blake looked like an MVP when Paul was out in the playoffs. Melo never had someone who could take over at that level.
top 5 MVP candidate and NBA finals MVP doesn't count?
Iverson was not capable of taking games over on a level of Blake Griffin? Really?Iverson? Really? Did not expect this from you.
C'mon man ... he was terrible in Denver and the absolute worst matchup for a guy like Melo.
Yeah, using Iverson as an example is a reach to say the least. Billups was great, and from a leadership standpoint, is tough to compete with. He was finals MVP, no doubt. But 30-something year old billups cannot be compared to Blake right now from a talent standpoint, which is what is being compared. Paul plays with a lot of talent. He plays with 1 other franchise player, 1 other star player, and role players built to surround these stars.
well obviously Paul had mucher better teams than Melo but I think that Billups was more important to that team than Blake would have been.
Replace CB for Blake and there is no chance that Denver makes it to the conf final.
CB was a leader who was also quite efficient (great TS!) though according to some, he really sucked and was like putting lipstick on a pig. The dude got too many freebies at the FT line. haha
gunsnewing wrote:How about we forget CP3 and discuss why all of these ex-Knicks are succeeding without $24mil per Carmelo Anthony? And look like trash playing next to him
You mean how about we disregard the topic and turn this into a bash melo thread? Do we really have to...
yellowboy90 wrote:Replace Jordan with Nene and oh my
on the clippers or denver?
mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Knixkik wrote:nyk4ever wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:nyk4ever wrote:LivingLegend wrote:Guys can play well and lead their team but still lose - I think that applies to Paul.Melo on the other hand doesn't lead, pass or defend like Paul and in terms of B-Ball IQ Paul dwarfs Melo.
not really trying to defend melo at all but... when has melo ever played with a guy like blake griffin or deandre jordan? all of pauls b-ball iq isn't enough to lead those guys further than the 2nd round of the playoffs? not to mention guys like reddick, barnes, crawford aren't even close to the kind of guys melo has ever played with. i think paul takes a HUGE hit this year with this loss, the clippers were/are arguably the 2nd best team in the west and they bow out early. instead of talking shit to dwight howard (who i hate) paul should have been more concerned with preserving a 16pt 4th guarter game 6 lead.
Melo's had a lot of all-stars and even Olympians over the years. I bet Iverson and maybe even Billups have a better shot at being in the HOF than Griffin and Jordan will. Billups was even a top 5 MVP candidate playing with Melo.thanks for the breaking news bonn. you despise iverson, so giving him as an example isn't really saying much. billups fine, he played well in denver. but to say billups and iverson (as they were late in their careers) equate to what griffin and jordan are, is quite silly.
Yeah nothing he has ever had competes with blake. Blake looked like an MVP when Paul was out in the playoffs. Melo never had someone who could take over at that level.
top 5 MVP candidate and NBA finals MVP doesn't count?
Iverson was not capable of taking games over on a level of Blake Griffin? Really?Iverson? Really? Did not expect this from you.
C'mon man ... he was terrible in Denver and the absolute worst matchup for a guy like Melo.
He took over games at times. That's all that was being discussed - not how great he was. He averaged mid to upper 20 ppg his first few years in Denver. Using the eyeball test that these guys usually use, people would have put him ahead of Blake. If you want to use the advanced metrics instead, Paul is outstanding and this whole thread is a waste of time.
Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Knixkik wrote:nyk4ever wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:nyk4ever wrote:LivingLegend wrote:Guys can play well and lead their team but still lose - I think that applies to Paul.Melo on the other hand doesn't lead, pass or defend like Paul and in terms of B-Ball IQ Paul dwarfs Melo.
not really trying to defend melo at all but... when has melo ever played with a guy like blake griffin or deandre jordan? all of pauls b-ball iq isn't enough to lead those guys further than the 2nd round of the playoffs? not to mention guys like reddick, barnes, crawford aren't even close to the kind of guys melo has ever played with. i think paul takes a HUGE hit this year with this loss, the clippers were/are arguably the 2nd best team in the west and they bow out early. instead of talking shit to dwight howard (who i hate) paul should have been more concerned with preserving a 16pt 4th guarter game 6 lead.
Melo's had a lot of all-stars and even Olympians over the years. I bet Iverson and maybe even Billups have a better shot at being in the HOF than Griffin and Jordan will. Billups was even a top 5 MVP candidate playing with Melo.thanks for the breaking news bonn. you despise iverson, so giving him as an example isn't really saying much. billups fine, he played well in denver. but to say billups and iverson (as they were late in their careers) equate to what griffin and jordan are, is quite silly.
Yeah nothing he has ever had competes with blake. Blake looked like an MVP when Paul was out in the playoffs. Melo never had someone who could take over at that level.
top 5 MVP candidate and NBA finals MVP doesn't count?
Iverson was not capable of taking games over on a level of Blake Griffin? Really?Iverson? Really? Did not expect this from you.
C'mon man ... he was terrible in Denver and the absolute worst matchup for a guy like Melo.
He took over games at times. That's all that was being discussed - not how great he was. He averaged mid to upper 20 ppg his first few years in Denver. Using the eyeball test that these guys usually use, people would have put him ahead of Blake. If you want to use the advanced metrics instead, Paul is outstanding and this whole thread is a waste of time.
Well why don't you evaluate Iverson the way you usually would? You're not big on the eyeball test nor ppg.
Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Knixkik wrote:nyk4ever wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:nyk4ever wrote:LivingLegend wrote:Guys can play well and lead their team but still lose - I think that applies to Paul.Melo on the other hand doesn't lead, pass or defend like Paul and in terms of B-Ball IQ Paul dwarfs Melo.
not really trying to defend melo at all but... when has melo ever played with a guy like blake griffin or deandre jordan? all of pauls b-ball iq isn't enough to lead those guys further than the 2nd round of the playoffs? not to mention guys like reddick, barnes, crawford aren't even close to the kind of guys melo has ever played with. i think paul takes a HUGE hit this year with this loss, the clippers were/are arguably the 2nd best team in the west and they bow out early. instead of talking shit to dwight howard (who i hate) paul should have been more concerned with preserving a 16pt 4th guarter game 6 lead.
Melo's had a lot of all-stars and even Olympians over the years. I bet Iverson and maybe even Billups have a better shot at being in the HOF than Griffin and Jordan will. Billups was even a top 5 MVP candidate playing with Melo.thanks for the breaking news bonn. you despise iverson, so giving him as an example isn't really saying much. billups fine, he played well in denver. but to say billups and iverson (as they were late in their careers) equate to what griffin and jordan are, is quite silly.
Yeah nothing he has ever had competes with blake. Blake looked like an MVP when Paul was out in the playoffs. Melo never had someone who could take over at that level.
top 5 MVP candidate and NBA finals MVP doesn't count?
Iverson was not capable of taking games over on a level of Blake Griffin? Really?Iverson? Really? Did not expect this from you.
C'mon man ... he was terrible in Denver and the absolute worst matchup for a guy like Melo.
He took over games at times. That's all that was being discussed - not how great he was. He averaged mid to upper 20 ppg his first few years in Denver. Using the eyeball test that these guys usually use, people would have put him ahead of Blake. If you want to use the advanced metrics instead, Paul is outstanding and this whole thread is a waste of time.
oh, so now you're telling everyone what everyone WOULD have said about iverson. that's funny bonn, i know metrics are your thing but i didnt realize you were also ms. cleo.
TeamBall wrote:gunsnewing wrote:How about we forget CP3 and discuss why all of these ex-Knicks are succeeding without $24mil per Carmelo Anthony? And look like trash playing next to him
You mean how about we disregard the topic and turn this into a bash melo thread? Do we really have to...
The original post is about Melo and Melo is the reason for this post
Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Knixkik wrote:nyk4ever wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:nyk4ever wrote:LivingLegend wrote:Guys can play well and lead their team but still lose - I think that applies to Paul.Melo on the other hand doesn't lead, pass or defend like Paul and in terms of B-Ball IQ Paul dwarfs Melo.
not really trying to defend melo at all but... when has melo ever played with a guy like blake griffin or deandre jordan? all of pauls b-ball iq isn't enough to lead those guys further than the 2nd round of the playoffs? not to mention guys like reddick, barnes, crawford aren't even close to the kind of guys melo has ever played with. i think paul takes a HUGE hit this year with this loss, the clippers were/are arguably the 2nd best team in the west and they bow out early. instead of talking shit to dwight howard (who i hate) paul should have been more concerned with preserving a 16pt 4th guarter game 6 lead.
Melo's had a lot of all-stars and even Olympians over the years. I bet Iverson and maybe even Billups have a better shot at being in the HOF than Griffin and Jordan will. Billups was even a top 5 MVP candidate playing with Melo.thanks for the breaking news bonn. you despise iverson, so giving him as an example isn't really saying much. billups fine, he played well in denver. but to say billups and iverson (as they were late in their careers) equate to what griffin and jordan are, is quite silly.
Yeah nothing he has ever had competes with blake. Blake looked like an MVP when Paul was out in the playoffs. Melo never had someone who could take over at that level.
top 5 MVP candidate and NBA finals MVP doesn't count?
Iverson was not capable of taking games over on a level of Blake Griffin? Really?Iverson? Really? Did not expect this from you.
C'mon man ... he was terrible in Denver and the absolute worst matchup for a guy like Melo.
He took over games at times. That's all that was being discussed - not how great he was. He averaged mid to upper 20 ppg his first few years in Denver. Using the eyeball test that these guys usually use, people would have put him ahead of Blake. If you want to use the advanced metrics instead, Paul is outstanding and this whole thread is a waste of time.
Right this thread is a waste of time and desperate attempt at trying to pump up Melo
gunsnewing wrote:TeamBall wrote:gunsnewing wrote:How about we forget CP3 and discuss why all of these ex-Knicks are succeeding without $24mil per Carmelo Anthony? And look like trash playing next to him
You mean how about we disregard the topic and turn this into a bash melo thread? Do we really have to...The original post is about Melo and Melo is the reason for this post
The original post is about melo AND cp3 which is the reason you requested to forget about him the post I quoted. Melo was the reason it was posted but the discussion is more so about Paul.
gunsnewing wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Knixkik wrote:nyk4ever wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:nyk4ever wrote:LivingLegend wrote:Guys can play well and lead their team but still lose - I think that applies to Paul.Melo on the other hand doesn't lead, pass or defend like Paul and in terms of B-Ball IQ Paul dwarfs Melo.
not really trying to defend melo at all but... when has melo ever played with a guy like blake griffin or deandre jordan? all of pauls b-ball iq isn't enough to lead those guys further than the 2nd round of the playoffs? not to mention guys like reddick, barnes, crawford aren't even close to the kind of guys melo has ever played with. i think paul takes a HUGE hit this year with this loss, the clippers were/are arguably the 2nd best team in the west and they bow out early. instead of talking shit to dwight howard (who i hate) paul should have been more concerned with preserving a 16pt 4th guarter game 6 lead.
Melo's had a lot of all-stars and even Olympians over the years. I bet Iverson and maybe even Billups have a better shot at being in the HOF than Griffin and Jordan will. Billups was even a top 5 MVP candidate playing with Melo.thanks for the breaking news bonn. you despise iverson, so giving him as an example isn't really saying much. billups fine, he played well in denver. but to say billups and iverson (as they were late in their careers) equate to what griffin and jordan are, is quite silly.
Yeah nothing he has ever had competes with blake. Blake looked like an MVP when Paul was out in the playoffs. Melo never had someone who could take over at that level.
top 5 MVP candidate and NBA finals MVP doesn't count?
Iverson was not capable of taking games over on a level of Blake Griffin? Really?Iverson? Really? Did not expect this from you.
C'mon man ... he was terrible in Denver and the absolute worst matchup for a guy like Melo.
He took over games at times. That's all that was being discussed - not how great he was. He averaged mid to upper 20 ppg his first few years in Denver. Using the eyeball test that these guys usually use, people would have put him ahead of Blake. If you want to use the advanced metrics instead, Paul is outstanding and this whole thread is a waste of time.
Right this thread is a waste of time and desperate attempt at trying to pump up Melo
is it really what it is? have you read the whole thread or just looking at certain posts? the premise of the thread has nothing to do with melo, only that chris paul has choked himself out the playoffs multiple times and with very good basketball teams.
TeamBall wrote:gunsnewing wrote:TeamBall wrote:gunsnewing wrote:How about we forget CP3 and discuss why all of these ex-Knicks are succeeding without $24mil per Carmelo Anthony? And look like trash playing next to him
You mean how about we disregard the topic and turn this into a bash melo thread? Do we really have to...The original post is about Melo and Melo is the reason for this post
The original post is about melo AND cp3 which is the reason you requested to forget about him the post I quoted. Melo was the reason it was posted but the discussion is more so about Paul.
c'mon ... its always about Melo.
trying to kill every other legitimate super star to prop up melo and to make him look less bad.
mreinman wrote:TeamBall wrote:gunsnewing wrote:TeamBall wrote:gunsnewing wrote:How about we forget CP3 and discuss why all of these ex-Knicks are succeeding without $24mil per Carmelo Anthony? And look like trash playing next to him
You mean how about we disregard the topic and turn this into a bash melo thread? Do we really have to...The original post is about Melo and Melo is the reason for this post
The original post is about melo AND cp3 which is the reason you requested to forget about him the post I quoted. Melo was the reason it was posted but the discussion is more so about Paul.c'mon ... its always about Melo.
trying to kill every other legitimate super star to prop up melo and to make him look less bad.
Is it? That thread about Blake griffin and his free throws is about melo? JRs Instagram post was directed at melo and not Phil? Phil Jackson should stop tweeting because melo? Stop with the hyperbole. This thread is about melo and his comparison to another star but the poster was honest about that.
TeamBall wrote:gunsnewing wrote:TeamBall wrote:gunsnewing wrote:How about we forget CP3 and discuss why all of these ex-Knicks are succeeding without $24mil per Carmelo Anthony? And look like trash playing next to him
You mean how about we disregard the topic and turn this into a bash melo thread? Do we really have to...The original post is about Melo and Melo is the reason for this post
The original post is about melo AND cp3 which is the reason you requested to forget about him the post I quoted. Melo was the reason it was posted but the discussion is more so about Paul.
Where you been? People are constantly $hitting on Paul, Harden, George & Blake in a desperate attempt to pump up Melo. Do I have to find the threads from the past 3yrs?
Melo for Griff straight up.
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TeamBall wrote:mreinman wrote:TeamBall wrote:gunsnewing wrote:TeamBall wrote:gunsnewing wrote:How about we forget CP3 and discuss why all of these ex-Knicks are succeeding without $24mil per Carmelo Anthony? And look like trash playing next to him
You mean how about we disregard the topic and turn this into a bash melo thread? Do we really have to...The original post is about Melo and Melo is the reason for this post
The original post is about melo AND cp3 which is the reason you requested to forget about him the post I quoted. Melo was the reason it was posted but the discussion is more so about Paul.c'mon ... its always about Melo.
trying to kill every other legitimate super star to prop up melo and to make him look less bad.
Is it? That thread about Blake griffin and his free throws is about melo? JRs Instagram post was directed at melo and not Phil? Phil Jackson should stop tweeting because melo? Stop with the hyperbole. This thread is about melo and his comparison to another star but the poster was honest about that.
well the Blake Griffin post started out about Blake Griffin only but a poster made it about Harden which one of those players that get knocked by the pro melo world (for some odd reason) and they feel that it props melo up yet it does the exact opposite.
people need to be honest (on both sides) and keep the same standards across the board.
Comparing CP3's failures to Melo's is a complete joke and beyond dishonest and ignorant.
mreinman wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Replace Jordan with Nene and oh myon the clippers or denver?
In Denver
gunsnewing wrote:TeamBall wrote:gunsnewing wrote:How about we forget CP3 and discuss why all of these ex-Knicks are succeeding without $24mil per Carmelo Anthony? And look like trash playing next to him
You mean how about we disregard the topic and turn this into a bash melo thread? Do we really have to...The original post is about Melo and Melo is the reason for this post
The original post is about Paul (see the title) and his lack of accountability for playoff failure. Melo was mentioned as a comparison for what accountability looks like when you don't have playoff success. Plus this is a Knicks board, so a Knicks reference was made.