Knicks · i need a PLAN!! (page 2)

callmened wrote:carmelo isnt being traded and he doesnt want to be traded

the next time you talk to him, ask him about honey nut cheerios. thanks.

nyk4ever wrote:

markvmc wrote:

VCoug wrote:

callmened wrote:

VCoug wrote:I'd prefer to blow it up and trade Melo but here's my plan based on keeping Melo.

Draft Winslow 4th. He starts at the 3 and Melo at the 4. Target either Koufos or Ajinca in free agency, don't really care which one, should probably cost $9M-ish of our $26M available. Either of them starts at 5. Target Biyombo at about $6M. Worst case scenario he's a very good defensive big on the bench. Best case scenario he turns into Marcus Camby. That leave about $11M in cap space. Tell Jimmy Dolan to go fuck himself and try to bring in Lin for around $5M or $6M. Throw the rest of our money at Lou Williams or Mo Williams.

Not really interested in Monroe who seems like a good stats on a bad team kind of guy. Like Shareef Abdur Rahim. Definitely not interested in Rondo who hasn't had a single positive moment on the court in 3 seasons. I like Tobias Harris but not at the money it will take to get him away from Orlando. Don't expect anything from Thanasis.

That gives us a lineup of

PG: Lin
SG: Galloway
SF: Winslow
PF: Melo
C: Ajinca/Koufos
Bench: Biyombo, THJr, Lou/Mo Williams

That gives us a very diverse lineup that allows us to match up with a lot of different teams. We can go big with Koufos/Ajinca and Biyombo up front, Melo @ 3, and Winslow @ 2. We can go super small with Lin-Williams-Galloway-Winslow-Biyombo. That's a team good enough offensively and defensively to be a top 4 or 5 team in the crappy East.

folks Melo is NOT being traded in the near future

Unless he demands one. That's a legit possibility if we suck again next season, also a legit possibility. Then we get to experience what Orlando and Toronto went through with Dwight and Vince.

Fuck him. He got his money; he gets traded if its good for us, not otherwise.

exactly. if trading melo nets us a bunch of assets that help us and it makes sense, then it should be completed ASAP

That's what we should have done last Summer but I'm tired of going over that disaster.

More likely than not, we should trade down. I now believe that it's in our better interest to put an emphasis on acquiring a quantity of assets as opposed to focusing on quality. I'd accomplish that by making a succession of incremental trades that moves us further into the draft and also gives us an additional pick.

First, I'd trade our 4th pick (Mudiay), THJr and Calderon to the Kings for their 6th pick and Nik Stauskaus. George Karl intends to run a high octane offense and a guy like Mudiay could be a star in that kind of system.

Second, I'd trade the 6th pick to the Heat for their 10th pick, 40th pick and Shabazz Napier. If mock drafts remain consistent, Winslow will be available with the pick who is a Riley type player.

Third, I'd trade the 10th pick to the Celtics for Gerald Wallace, their 16th, 28th, 33rd pick and a favorable future first. Word on the street is that the Celtics desperately want to move up to select Willie Cauley Stein, who should definitely be available at 10. At 16, I'd look to select the better prospect of either Bobby Portis or Jerian Grant. With the 28th, 33rd and 40th picks, I'd look to trade up to get a pick for the lesser prospect of either Grant or Portis. I definitely think that the Mavs at 21 would be a potential trade partner since they'll be looking to maximize their cap space this offseason, which this trade allows them to do. Remember that you don't need to pay 2nd round picks and the 28th pick barely makes $1 million.

So in effect, we'd walk away with Jerian Grant, Bobby Portis, Shabazz Napier, Nik Stauskaus and a future first round pick from the Celtics for the 4th pick. I could live with that even though there'd be no stars in that bunch. All 4 could be pretty good bench players and are cheap enough to allow us to use our cap space entirely on signing players for our starting lineup though I'd be inclined to leverage some of it on the impending OKC firesale of Mitch McGary, Perry Jones III, Jeremy Lamb, Dion Waiters and Steve Novak. With some 2nd round picks sprinkled in on their part, we could field a similar team to the one the Celtics featured in the playoffs.

nyk4ever wrote:

callmened wrote:carmelo isnt being traded and he doesnt want to be traded

the next time you talk to him, ask him about honey nut cheerios. thanks.

i mean im not making this up. he loves nyc and dolan love melo.

VCoug wrote:I'd prefer to blow it up and trade Melo but here's my plan based on keeping Melo.

Draft Winslow 4th. He starts at the 3 and Melo at the 4. Target either Koufos or Ajinca in free agency, don't really care which one, should probably cost $9M-ish of our $26M available. Either of them starts at 5. Target Biyombo at about $6M. Worst case scenario he's a very good defensive big on the bench. Best case scenario he turns into Marcus Camby. That leave about $11M in cap space. Tell Jimmy Dolan to go fuck himself and try to bring in Lin for around $5M or $6M. Throw the rest of our money at Lou Williams or Mo Williams.

Not really interested in Monroe who seems like a good stats on a bad team kind of guy. Like Shareef Abdur Rahim. Definitely not interested in Rondo who hasn't had a single positive moment on the court in 3 seasons. I like Tobias Harris but not at the money it will take to get him away from Orlando. Don't expect anything from Thanasis.

That gives us a lineup of

PG: Lin
SG: Galloway
SF: Winslow
PF: Melo
C: Ajinca/Koufos
Bench: Biyombo, THJr, Lou/Mo Williams

That gives us a very diverse lineup that allows us to match up with a lot of different teams. We can go big with Koufos/Ajinca and Biyombo up front, Melo @ 3, and Winslow @ 2. We can go super small with Lin-Williams-Galloway-Winslow-Biyombo. That's a team good enough offensively and defensively to be a top 4 or 5 team in the crappy East.

I can go with everything except Biyombo at $6m and Lin/Mo or Lin/Lou. I'd rather throw that money at Corey Joseph. I think Biyombo will be a min-mmle type money player. So the Knicks could use their 6m and 2.8 room exception to get a williams. Not sure you want the Knicks version of Terry and Prigs with Jose and Mo. Is in a mandate that the Knicks must have two aging pgs going into each season?

what we do in FA will be interesting... but winslow and melo isn't a bad pairing...

yellowboy90 wrote:

VCoug wrote:I'd prefer to blow it up and trade Melo but here's my plan based on keeping Melo.

Draft Winslow 4th. He starts at the 3 and Melo at the 4. Target either Koufos or Ajinca in free agency, don't really care which one, should probably cost $9M-ish of our $26M available. Either of them starts at 5. Target Biyombo at about $6M. Worst case scenario he's a very good defensive big on the bench. Best case scenario he turns into Marcus Camby. That leave about $11M in cap space. Tell Jimmy Dolan to go fuck himself and try to bring in Lin for around $5M or $6M. Throw the rest of our money at Lou Williams or Mo Williams.

Not really interested in Monroe who seems like a good stats on a bad team kind of guy. Like Shareef Abdur Rahim. Definitely not interested in Rondo who hasn't had a single positive moment on the court in 3 seasons. I like Tobias Harris but not at the money it will take to get him away from Orlando. Don't expect anything from Thanasis.

That gives us a lineup of

PG: Lin
SG: Galloway
SF: Winslow
PF: Melo
C: Ajinca/Koufos
Bench: Biyombo, THJr, Lou/Mo Williams

That gives us a very diverse lineup that allows us to match up with a lot of different teams. We can go big with Koufos/Ajinca and Biyombo up front, Melo @ 3, and Winslow @ 2. We can go super small with Lin-Williams-Galloway-Winslow-Biyombo. That's a team good enough offensively and defensively to be a top 4 or 5 team in the crappy East.

I can go with everything except Biyombo at $6m and Lin/Mo or Lin/Lou. I'd rather throw that money at Corey Joseph. I think Biyombo will be a min-mmle type money player. So the Knicks could use their 6m and 2.8 room exception to get a williams. Not sure you want the Knicks version of Terry and Prigs with Jose and Mo. Is in a mandate that the Knicks must have two aging pgs going into each season?

It's not definite but Biyombo will probably be a RFA; that's why I threw $6M at him to make sure Charlotte doesn't match. If Charlotte doesn't offer him his QO than that number would definitely go down.

I completely forgot Jose was on the team. Honestly, considering how his play has deteriorated over the last two seasons, his injuries, and his age (34 in September) we're probably better off planning without Calderon.

I understand why people like Cory Joseph but I just don't trust SAS role players. They never seem to work out for other teams.

VCoug wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

VCoug wrote:I'd prefer to blow it up and trade Melo but here's my plan based on keeping Melo.

Draft Winslow 4th. He starts at the 3 and Melo at the 4. Target either Koufos or Ajinca in free agency, don't really care which one, should probably cost $9M-ish of our $26M available. Either of them starts at 5. Target Biyombo at about $6M. Worst case scenario he's a very good defensive big on the bench. Best case scenario he turns into Marcus Camby. That leave about $11M in cap space. Tell Jimmy Dolan to go fuck himself and try to bring in Lin for around $5M or $6M. Throw the rest of our money at Lou Williams or Mo Williams.

Not really interested in Monroe who seems like a good stats on a bad team kind of guy. Like Shareef Abdur Rahim. Definitely not interested in Rondo who hasn't had a single positive moment on the court in 3 seasons. I like Tobias Harris but not at the money it will take to get him away from Orlando. Don't expect anything from Thanasis.

That gives us a lineup of

PG: Lin
SG: Galloway
SF: Winslow
PF: Melo
C: Ajinca/Koufos
Bench: Biyombo, THJr, Lou/Mo Williams

That gives us a very diverse lineup that allows us to match up with a lot of different teams. We can go big with Koufos/Ajinca and Biyombo up front, Melo @ 3, and Winslow @ 2. We can go super small with Lin-Williams-Galloway-Winslow-Biyombo. That's a team good enough offensively and defensively to be a top 4 or 5 team in the crappy East.

I can go with everything except Biyombo at $6m and Lin/Mo or Lin/Lou. I'd rather throw that money at Corey Joseph. I think Biyombo will be a min-mmle type money player. So the Knicks could use their 6m and 2.8 room exception to get a williams. Not sure you want the Knicks version of Terry and Prigs with Jose and Mo. Is in a mandate that the Knicks must have two aging pgs going into each season?

It's not definite but Biyombo will probably be a RFA; that's why I threw $6M at him to make sure Charlotte doesn't match. If Charlotte doesn't offer him his QO than that number would definitely go down.

I completely forgot Jose was on the team. Honestly, considering how his play has deteriorated over the last two seasons, his injuries, and his age (34 in September) we're probably better off planning without Calderon.

I understand why people like Cory Joseph but I just don't trust SAS role players. They never seem to work out for other teams.

I could live with George Hill. I see posters say this like it is a large list of players that left SA. Also, I want a guard that has defensive skills. Honestly, in your plan if you do not pay Biyombo you can get Joseph and bring back Lin.

Ajinca/Koufos - total $9m

Joseph - $7-9m

Lin - 5m

? - $3m

Biyombo - vet min but maybe $2.8m room exception.

Maybe you save the money or maybe you bring in Dunleavy, Bass, or etc.

The more Likely case is instead if Lin they will bring back Shved

So the line up would be to start

PG:Jose
SG:Joseph
SF:Dunleavy
PF:Melo
C:Koufos

then mold into

PG:Joseph
SG:Winslow
SF:Dunleavy
PF:Melo
C:Koufos

bench Lin, Gallo, Ajinca, Biyombo, Lou, THJR, Calderon, Thanasis

callmened wrote:i have to admit i NEVER expected we'd draft lower than 3rd. im in panic mode now. lol. but i need a realistic plan to feel good again

1. draft winslow (i dont think mudiay fits the triangle)
2. trade down with another team - but who?

BRIGGS, RonRon, Finestrg...i need your "think-outside-the-box" plans!!!

someone talk me off the ledge!!!

(sorry for the drama. lol)

How about this, which I posted in another thread:

There is a 0.0003% chance, but maybe if the Lakers sign Love in free agency, they would be willing to trade OK4 to us for Melo- maybe we would take back Kobe's contract, allowing them cap space to sign Rondo too (he ain't getting a max). The reasoning being a front court of Love and OK4 makes no sense. The Lakers are the only team Melo would likely accept a trade to. It would give them a team of Randle, Love, Melo, Rondo and whomever (they'd better off building around OK4 and Randle, but their new management and ownership sucks), and us a fresh start with OK4 and either Mudiay or Winslow as its building blocks (though signing free agents would be harder).

Other than that there isn't really anything to get excited about: I would say maybe you could trade the 4th for the Magics 5th and the rights to Harris, but I don't want Harris and it seems like they will target a player who is still on the board at 5th.

Both the Celtics and Pacers seem keen on WCS- do they have anything you want? Do a deal with the Pacers if you want to draft Kaminsky, Celtics if you want a future pick.

Sit tight until 2016 and add either Durant or Horford.

Knixkik wrote:C Koufos
PF Monroe
SF Anthony
SG Galloway
PG Mudiay

Sit tight until 2016 and add either Durant or Horford.

There's 0 chance Durant or Horford would come here. They're on title contending teams now, why would they leave to come to this dumpster fire?

Knixkik wrote:C Koufos
PF Monroe
SF Anthony
SG Galloway
PG Mudiay

Sit tight until 2016 and add either Durant or Horford.

Galloway's shooting would have to really improve. His mechanics are there though. That line up looks very Memphis like.

yellowboy90 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:C Koufos
PF Monroe
SF Anthony
SG Galloway
PG Mudiay

Sit tight until 2016 and add either Durant or Horford.

Galloway's shooting would have to really improve. His mechanics are there though. That line up looks very Memphis like.

yay

yellowboy90 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:C Koufos
PF Monroe
SF Anthony
SG Galloway
PG Mudiay

Sit tight until 2016 and add either Durant or Horford.

Galloway's shooting would have to really improve. His mechanics are there though. That line up looks very Memphis like.

It does? I can certainly see where it's offensively challenged like Memphis but I'm not seeing a dominant defense.

chewy wrote:Maybe trade with the Hornets. Caldron and the 4th pick for Stevenson and the 9th. Draft Lyles or Grant.

Would not give us too many shooters Lance, Grant and Lyles are all limited in terms of their jump shooting.

Would not mind either of those guys if we had a pick in the mid-late teens.

I do think Lyles should have stayed in another year.