Knicks · WE MUST ADDRESS THE LEADERSHIP ISSUES OF OUR ROSTER (page 1)

I know some of you will point out FISHER is our leader or Phil, but I have news for you all; what we need a player or two to play that role, because our best player (Carmelo) is NOT capable of being that man. Phil is dumb to think that Carmelo is that man, and if he does not acquire a proven dude to help guys to be accountable, his stint in NY as President will be a failure.

Leaders:
Jayson Terry
Draymond Green
Noah
D west

Greg Monroe anyone

I'd agree this is a big issue, along with talent levels.

I think Mudiay might be the kind of character who could bring leadership - but he isn't doing that as a rookie.

I'd love to get Dragic because I think he could help.

But we're probably going to look to Calderon and Bargnani for leadership.

franco12 wrote:Greg Monroe anyone

I'd agree this is a big issue, along with talent levels.

I think Mudiay might be the kind of character who could bring leadership - but he isn't doing that as a rookie.

I'd love to get Dragic because I think he could help.

But we're probably going to look to Calderon and Bargnani for leadership.

Calderon and Bargnani? Oh my! This is my only issue with Monroe, he has not proven to be the VOCAL person we so desired. We simply CAN'T afford to have two max guys who are not vocal on the roster

That will be easy to find. It doesn't have to be a star, it can be a role player.

Knixkik wrote:That will be easy to find. It doesn't have to be a star, it can be a role player.

Stars have more weights. On our quest for a SG or Big, we can ensure that who so ever we extend a contract to has those qualities

WE MUST ADDRESS THE TENDENCY OF 1969 TO USE ALL CAPS IN HIS THREAD TITLES!!!!!!!!!!

Moonangie wrote:WE MUST ADDRESS THE TENDENCY OF 1969 TO USE ALL CAPS IN HIS THREAD TITLES!!!!!!!!!!

I disagree, i think the issue deserves a decent size protest outside of MSG, because it's that serious.

The Hawks were a prime example, better yet, when have the knicks been remotely successful without a leader.

Melo is our man... he takes all space of the leader.
Unfortunately with him it is an empty space.

arkrud wrote:Melo is our man... he takes all space of the leader.
Unfortunately with him it is an empty space.

AGREE

Agree with the premise of this thread. Not sure where leadership might come from. Maybe a vet like Elton Brand?

knicks1248 wrote:

Moonangie wrote:WE MUST ADDRESS THE TENDENCY OF 1969 TO USE ALL CAPS IN HIS THREAD TITLES!!!!!!!!!!

I disagree, i think the issue deserves a decent size protest outside of MSG, because it's that serious.

The Hawks were a prime example, better yet, when have the knicks been remotely successful without a leader.

The last time the Knicks signed a 'leader' they paid him 15 mil and he was either hurt, sick or didn't show up in big games. When times got tough he tried to get his coach fired and criticized the coach and his teammates in the media. The Knicks need to make sure they don't over pay for a faux leader over a more talented player. If guys are focused on one team goal leaders will step up. Moving out talented guys that as Knicks had character flaws seems to indicate that the new regime wants high character players

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Moonangie wrote:WE MUST ADDRESS THE TENDENCY OF 1969 TO USE ALL CAPS IN HIS THREAD TITLES!!!!!!!!!!

I disagree, i think the issue deserves a decent size protest outside of MSG, because it's that serious.

The Hawks were a prime example, better yet, when have the knicks been remotely successful without a leader.

The last time the Knicks signed a 'leader' they paid him 15 mil and he was either hurt, sick or didn't show up in big games. When times got tough he tried to get his coach fired and criticized the coach and his teammates in the media. The Knicks need to make sure they don't over pay for a faux leader over a more talented player. If guys are focused on one team goal leaders will step up. Moving out talented guys that as Knicks had character flaws seems to indicate that the new regime wants high character players

who is this leader that you speak of?

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Moonangie wrote:WE MUST ADDRESS THE TENDENCY OF 1969 TO USE ALL CAPS IN HIS THREAD TITLES!!!!!!!!!!

I disagree, i think the issue deserves a decent size protest outside of MSG, because it's that serious.

The Hawks were a prime example, better yet, when have the knicks been remotely successful without a leader.

The last time the Knicks signed a 'leader' they paid him 15 mil and he was either hurt, sick or didn't show up in big games. When times got tough he tried to get his coach fired and criticized the coach and his teammates in the media. The Knicks need to make sure they don't over pay for a faux leader over a more talented player. If guys are focused on one team goal leaders will step up. Moving out talented guys that as Knicks had character flaws seems to indicate that the new regime wants high character players

who is this leader that you speak of?

I think he meant JKidd

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Moonangie wrote:WE MUST ADDRESS THE TENDENCY OF 1969 TO USE ALL CAPS IN HIS THREAD TITLES!!!!!!!!!!

I disagree, i think the issue deserves a decent size protest outside of MSG, because it's that serious.

The Hawks were a prime example, better yet, when have the knicks been remotely successful without a leader.

The last time the Knicks signed a 'leader' they paid him 15 mil and he was either hurt, sick or didn't show up in big games. When times got tough he tried to get his coach fired and criticized the coach and his teammates in the media. The Knicks need to make sure they don't over pay for a faux leader over a more talented player. If guys are focused on one team goal leaders will step up. Moving out talented guys that as Knicks had character flaws seems to indicate that the new regime wants high character players

who is this leader that you speak of?

I think he meant JKidd

ha! the only leader that we've had in years

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Moonangie wrote:WE MUST ADDRESS THE TENDENCY OF 1969 TO USE ALL CAPS IN HIS THREAD TITLES!!!!!!!!!!

I disagree, i think the issue deserves a decent size protest outside of MSG, because it's that serious.

The Hawks were a prime example, better yet, when have the knicks been remotely successful without a leader.

The last time the Knicks signed a 'leader' they paid him 15 mil and he was either hurt, sick or didn't show up in big games. When times got tough he tried to get his coach fired and criticized the coach and his teammates in the media. The Knicks need to make sure they don't over pay for a faux leader over a more talented player. If guys are focused on one team goal leaders will step up. Moving out talented guys that as Knicks had character flaws seems to indicate that the new regime wants high character players

who is this leader that you speak of?

I think he meant JKidd

ha! the only leader that we've had in years

Well, like, don't forget Sheed

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Moonangie wrote:WE MUST ADDRESS THE TENDENCY OF 1969 TO USE ALL CAPS IN HIS THREAD TITLES!!!!!!!!!!

I disagree, i think the issue deserves a decent size protest outside of MSG, because it's that serious.

The Hawks were a prime example, better yet, when have the knicks been remotely successful without a leader.

The last time the Knicks signed a 'leader' they paid him 15 mil and he was either hurt, sick or didn't show up in big games. When times got tough he tried to get his coach fired and criticized the coach and his teammates in the media. The Knicks need to make sure they don't over pay for a faux leader over a more talented player. If guys are focused on one team goal leaders will step up. Moving out talented guys that as Knicks had character flaws seems to indicate that the new regime wants high character players

who is this leader that you speak of?

I think he meant JKidd

The money would have been better spent on Kidd. This guy was exposed once Kidd was done.

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Moonangie wrote:WE MUST ADDRESS THE TENDENCY OF 1969 TO USE ALL CAPS IN HIS THREAD TITLES!!!!!!!!!!

I disagree, i think the issue deserves a decent size protest outside of MSG, because it's that serious.

The Hawks were a prime example, better yet, when have the knicks been remotely successful without a leader.

The last time the Knicks signed a 'leader' they paid him 15 mil and he was either hurt, sick or didn't show up in big games. When times got tough he tried to get his coach fired and criticized the coach and his teammates in the media. The Knicks need to make sure they don't over pay for a faux leader over a more talented player. If guys are focused on one team goal leaders will step up. Moving out talented guys that as Knicks had character flaws seems to indicate that the new regime wants high character players

who is this leader that you speak of?

I think he meant JKidd

The money would have been better spent on Kidd. This guy was exposed once Kidd was done.

Kmart? Richard Jefferson???

crzymdups wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Moonangie wrote:WE MUST ADDRESS THE TENDENCY OF 1969 TO USE ALL CAPS IN HIS THREAD TITLES!!!!!!!!!!

I disagree, i think the issue deserves a decent size protest outside of MSG, because it's that serious.

The Hawks were a prime example, better yet, when have the knicks been remotely successful without a leader.

The last time the Knicks signed a 'leader' they paid him 15 mil and he was either hurt, sick or didn't show up in big games. When times got tough he tried to get his coach fired and criticized the coach and his teammates in the media. The Knicks need to make sure they don't over pay for a faux leader over a more talented player. If guys are focused on one team goal leaders will step up. Moving out talented guys that as Knicks had character flaws seems to indicate that the new regime wants high character players

who is this leader that you speak of?

I think he meant JKidd

The money would have been better spent on Kidd. This guy was exposed once Kidd was done.

Kmart? Richard Jefferson???

I think he is referring to Tyson Chandler

I actually think the leader will come from within. I think Galloway has what it takes. He's a tough guy with guts. I think he's gonna be the one to step up.

TripleThreat wrote:

Knixkik wrote:That will be easy to find. It doesn't have to be a star, it can be a role player.

Melo wanted out of Denver and wanted every last dollar he could get, despite knowing a trade would gut his new team, Melo got what he wanted.

Melo wanted Pringles gone, can't have a coach who preaches things like let the flow of the game dictate the shot, Melo got what he wanted.

Melo wasn't going to stand for Jeremy Lin getting MVP chants and the cover of Time magazine, so the young point guard had to go, Melo got what he wanted.

Melo wasn't going to have anyone else tell the team what to do or how to act, so Tyson Chandler had to go, so Chandler got traded, saddling the team with the horrible Calderon contract, Melo got what he wanted.

Notice a mother fucking trend here?

Melo gets what he wants. The team GETS PROGRESSIVELY WORSE. Anyone else who shows any semblance of taking away any kind of attention away from Melo has to go and gets hatched in the press by Leon Rose and CAA as lapdogs.

Melo wants to be the Alpha Dog, but none of the responsibility of actual leadership. You know things like showing up in shape, playing defense, knowing when to shut his big fat mouth from saying stupid things in the press, and driving off anyone who could help the Knicks in that regard.

If you want true leadership on the roster, MELO HAS TO GO. Melo isn't going to tolerate anyone who gets more attention from the press than he gets.

Some of you guys are going to immediately say anyone who criticizes Melo's lack of leadership as "Melo Hate" except the people who criticize Melo do so BY POINTING OUT VERY SPECIFIC THINGS HE FAILS TO DO THAT OTHER FRANCHISES PLAYERS DO AS A MATTER OF COURSE WHILE UPHOLDING THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES TO THEIR FRANCHISES.

A "leader" doesn't need a 60 million dollar geriatric splash hiring to explain why playing team basketball is important.

A "leader" doesn't need to be cajoled to show up in shape.

A "leader" actually put forth effort on defense.

A "leader" doesn't risk his long term health under his current contract so he can play in an All Star game for his "branding"

A "leader" doesn't drive off players and coaches who can actually help the team win.

Since Melo showed up, this team has GOTTEN WORSE.

Didn't he recently help the Knicks to win 50+ games just three years ago???? The dude may not be Lebron, but he is valuable. It is not his fault the front office decision makers are to dumb to know how to get the best out of him. Surround the dude with smart people, he will be successful

nixluva wrote:I actually think the leader will come from within. I think Galloway has what it takes. He's a tough guy with guts. I think he's gonna be the one to step up.

Love Galloway, and I think he is leadership material in the clubhouse, but on the court there is a different dynamic, and this mostly has to do with Anthony.

You need someone who will "stand up" to Anthony. I don't mean getting into a fight- just someone who will be unafraid to take control on the floor. Chandler was an emotional leader, but was not good enough on offense to assert himself.

Galloway is probably the Triangle expert on the team already, but I don't think Carmelo is going to defer to him.

It was especially evident with Woodson last year, but even this year, guys stood around when Anthony was doing his thing. For the most part, Anthony has yet to completely buy into the Triangle from what I've seen. This has also hurt THJ's development, IMO, because he follows Anthony's cues and I believe THJ is also playing under the assumption that if he gets the ball, he better think shot first, because he may not get it again.

Kidd and Billups both had rings by the time they played with Anthony, and that is something he respected, and I think he was willing to give up some of his authority on the floor. If you bring in a rookie/young PG is he going to let that guy take over in big moments and play second fiddle. We already saw that with Lin.

I think Mudiay is more likely to mesh with Anthony than Russell because he is a more classic PG and more likely to "take care" of Anthony during the game. I think Russell needs to control the ball and the game to be at his best, and you wonder how that will work out in crunch time.

It would be interesting to see Russell and Anthony battle for the "soul" of the offense, though.

Ultimately, Fisher will have to create an atmosphere where someone else can emerge as the on court leader. If Anthony totally buys in to the Triangle, which should actually be a good system for him, that would be a positive thing, but if you see him doing those ISO 1/1 moves at the end of the shot clock too often, or watch guys stand around while he is doing this, we are in real trouble.