Knicks · Hezonga is the only other guy who should get consideration at 4 (page 3)

Drazen Petro on steroids? As others have said, why only 5 pts a game? Is it his attitude, selfishness or just raw and needing seasoning? He clearly has significant athletic ability and can shoot, seems like a competitor... maybe I'd take him in the 20's if we had a late 1st pick

jskinny35 wrote:Drazen Petro on steroids? As others have said, why only 5 pts a game? Is it his attitude, selfishness or just raw and needing seasoning? He clearly has significant athletic ability and can shoot, seems like a competitor... maybe I'd take him in the 20's if we had a late 1st pick

Young Euros or foreigners and stats never add up right. The difference between this Euro and others is his athletic ability. He also has a pure shot and can handle at 6-8. Thats a mighty enticing set of tools for a 2G.

Ill tell you what he looks like--people probably will never remember this video but here it is.

Danilo Gallinari before he was drafted. He actually looks like Hezonga in many ways--you add two inches for Gallo and probably 6 inches in vert for Hezonga

If I had to make a pro comparison I say Paul George.

BRIGGS wrote:Ill tell you what he looks like--people probably will never remember this video but here it is.

Danilo Gallinari before he was drafted. He actually looks like Hezonga in many ways--you add two inches for Gallo and probably 6 inches in vert for Hezonga

If I had to make a pro comparison I say Paul George.

I always found it weird how Gallo looked like a completely different player with a completely different game after being drafted. I do wonder what he would have been like if Tractor Taylor hadn't broken his back.

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Ill tell you what he looks like--people probably will never remember this video but here it is.

Danilo Gallinari before he was drafted. He actually looks like Hezonga in many ways--you add two inches for Gallo and probably 6 inches in vert for Hezonga

If I had to make a pro comparison I say Paul George.

I always found it weird how Gallo looked like a completely different player with a completely different game after being drafted. I do wonder what he would have been like if Tractor Taylor hadn't broken his back.

Gallo was pretty athletic before he was hurt. Both these Euros are good. This guy Hezonga has the tools to be one of the best scorers in the league. Evene though Porzingis is ahead of him stats wise--I think Hezongas game will be much faster to translate.
Really look at Hezonga and Fuzaro--two guys who have a lot of skills compared to the American players BUT with the caveat that their both very athletic themselves--not typical Euro.

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crzymdups wrote:D'Angelo Russell reminds me a lot more of Pistol Pete than Hezonja.

Hezonja reminds me of Wilson Chandler but with a harder to spell name.

Hezonja reminds me of Rudy Fernandez (who I used to want us to trade for). His attitude puts me off him though, I've had enough of assholes on this team

the draftnet comp is rex chapman

Interesting, especially the athleticism. Completely forgot about him. Hezonja's length is much superior, but Chapman was a decent player. Can't remember if he played and D.

Had a decent run in the NBA, but was never as good as people expected he would be.

WaltLongmire wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

crzymdups wrote:D'Angelo Russell reminds me a lot more of Pistol Pete than Hezonja.

Hezonja reminds me of Wilson Chandler but with a harder to spell name.

Hezonja reminds me of Rudy Fernandez (who I used to want us to trade for). His attitude puts me off him though, I've had enough of assholes on this team

the draftnet comp is rex chapman

Interesting, especially the athleticism. Completely forgot about him. Hezonja's length is much superior, but Chapman was a decent player. Can't remember if he played and D.

Had a decent run in the NBA, but was never as good as people expected he would be.

I think the upside in this draft is #1 Towns #2 Hezonga #3 Russell #4 Okafor #5 Porzingis

Safety would be #1 Towns #2 Okafor #3 Russell #4 Kaminsky #5 Winslow

BRIGGS wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

crzymdups wrote:D'Angelo Russell reminds me a lot more of Pistol Pete than Hezonja.

Hezonja reminds me of Wilson Chandler but with a harder to spell name.

Hezonja reminds me of Rudy Fernandez (who I used to want us to trade for). His attitude puts me off him though, I've had enough of assholes on this team

the draftnet comp is rex chapman

Interesting, especially the athleticism. Completely forgot about him. Hezonja's length is much superior, but Chapman was a decent player. Can't remember if he played and D.

Had a decent run in the NBA, but was never as good as people expected he would be.

I think the upside in this draft is #1 Towns #2 Hezonga #3 Russell #4 Okafor #5 Porzingis

Safety would be #1 Towns #2 Okafor #3 Russell #4 Kaminsky #5 Winslow

I assume there would be a fight if other folks commented, especially regarding Stein's absence under the upside category, but this would be a legit starting point.

Johnson and Mudiay have some ground to recover at this point. Have not heard anything about Booker and how he's doing.

I think Jackson will go with a safety choice, though. I also believe Winslow might have more upside that most think, but the Knicks are showing us squat in terms of video, even though Winslow is finished.

Got to hope another team releases some shooting by him.

WaltLongmire wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

crzymdups wrote:D'Angelo Russell reminds me a lot more of Pistol Pete than Hezonja.

Hezonja reminds me of Wilson Chandler but with a harder to spell name.

Hezonja reminds me of Rudy Fernandez (who I used to want us to trade for). His attitude puts me off him though, I've had enough of assholes on this team

the draftnet comp is rex chapman

Interesting, especially the athleticism. Completely forgot about him. Hezonja's length is much superior, but Chapman was a decent player. Can't remember if he played and D.

Had a decent run in the NBA, but was never as good as people expected he would be.

I think the upside in this draft is #1 Towns #2 Hezonga #3 Russell #4 Okafor #5 Porzingis

Safety would be #1 Towns #2 Okafor #3 Russell #4 Kaminsky #5 Winslow

I assume there would be a fight if other folks commented, especially regarding Stein's absence under the upside category, but this would be a legit starting point.

Johnson and Mudiay have some ground to recover at this point. Have not heard anything about Booker and how he's doing.

I think Jackson will go with a safety choice, though. I also believe Winslow might have more upside that most think, but the Knicks are showing us squat in terms of video, even though Winslow is finished.

Got to hope another team releases some shooting by him.

I would pick Winslow before Mudiay or Stein.

jbeachboy wrote:whats weaknesses and negatives with him? i heard teammates dont like him

- Very raw
- Poor defensive instincts. Not just poor effort ( which can sometimes be corrected) but clearly doesn't understand where to be on the floor and why. The defensive side of the ball might move too fast for him in terms of BBIQ.
- Sixth man mentality i.e. will try to shoot his way out of a bad shooting night
- Game translated to NBA style ball, he might be far more foul prone, and where he can excel in transition, most NBA teams simply don't space the floor and play the team game to facilitate that for him, not to the degree of Euro ball.
- Ball dominant/does not appear to consistently move well off the ball
- Will likely need a dominant coach to maximize his ability ( think Parcells)

Worst case scenarios

1) He ends up profiling as a Sixth Man. When the Knicks already have a Sixth Man as their core player.
2) His shot selection plus Melo's might cause Allan Houston to spontaneously shove a Glock in his mouth during halftime of a game and pull the trigger.
3) He ends up profiling as a career long defensive liability that suits more of a tweener Stretch 4. He's young now, without some serious work, his defense will get even worse as he loses a step.
4) The Triangle is simply a bad fit for him. He can create his own shot and he might simply function better in a "space and pace" situation.

Let's take a hierarchy of shotjackers

At the top is Kobe Bryant. The ultimate Anti-Team player. A relentless shotjacker who freezes out team mates and plays complete hero ball non stop. Ironically Mamba's shot selection is probably tantamount to basic rape. He forces everything and acts like he's doing you the favor. So in that regard, since he's actually a real life rapist, it's sort of a fit

Then there is Cory Maggette level shot jacking. Without any kind of conscience at all. A guy who isn't as talented as he thinks he is and just won't stop heaving up the ball like a chucker

Then there is Nate Robinson. Who is like the Rocket Racoon from Guardians of the Galaxy of shot jackers. He can see the difference between a good shot and a bad shot, but he can't help but amuse himself.

Somewhere between Nate Robinson and Cory Maggette is Hezonga in terms of a gunners mentality. The best thing about a guy like that is he believes there is no shot he can't make at any given time. The worst thing about a guy like this is he believes there is no shot he can't make at any given time.

IMHO, I still believe that Devin Booker is the "right choice" in terms of the Knicks getting a wing that fits their variable needs ( help at the present, help at the future, still have room to develop into more, can play around Melo's limitations, is a two way player, strong fundamentals)