Knicks · New mock on dx just came out they moved Stein to 11 (page 1)

Actually I think this is fair. Something is foul if a mock which has as much real news as anyone and had you at 5-6 all year drops u like a rock 3 days before the draft. Right now I'd assume that WCS is a significant reach if he is listed at 11 on BOTH major draft sites and we take him at 4. Dx has Kaminsky ahead of Stein by the way. It has us taking Porzingis which is the RIGHT move whether we keep him or trade him. If we keep him I think it's reasonable that he submit tona MD check for us. I think we can make a helluva deal if he doesn't by trading him.

Reading in f farther seems like wcs red flagged the medical

BRIGGS wrote:Reading in f farther seems like wcs red flagged the medical

uh oh. i take everything i said back about warming up to him as the pick!

Cartman718 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Reading in f farther seems like wcs red flagged the medical

uh oh. i take everything i said back about warming up to him as the pick!

I still don't see him dropping past the kings at #6. I wonder what the health issues are.

BRIGGS wrote:Reading in f farther seems like wcs red flagged the medical

Well if it has anything to do with his knees then that changes my mind some or at least makes me think twice about him for the Knicks.

BRIGGS wrote:Reading in f farther seems like wcs red flagged the medical

By "reading in farther" you of course mean that you are completely speculating.

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Reading in f farther seems like wcs red flagged the medical

By "reading in farther" you of course mean that you are completely speculating.

No draftexpress said this am they received feedback that his medical issues have been red flagged

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-dra...

Concerns around Cauley-Stein's background and medical history could cause him to fall out of the Top-10 according to recent reports we've received, which would be a huge boon for Indiana, who are currently in the market for a starting center. Cauley-Stein is the most versatile defender in this draft class, and the Pacers have done a great job of helping other young underachieving players reach their full potential in the past.

This is the only medical issue that I could find regarding WCS. It was his having Sickle Cell Trait. It's been known for years now.

Sickle cell trait, a blood disorder which can affect endurance, was a factor in playing 25 minutes in Kentucky's victory over Boise State.

When asked about how he might have posted a triple-double if he played more minutes, Cauley-Stein said, "I was having a sickle cell problem. My chest starts to hurt."

Apparently, it's a recurring issue.

"Some days, just randomly, I've had real bad chest pain," he said. "I can't, like, breathe and my heart rate won't come down. I have to stop and wait for it to come down."

Cauley-Stein said he does not take medication to treat the sickle cell trait.

According to the American Society of Hematology website, sickle cell trait is an inherited blood disorder that affects about 8 percent of blacks. Unlike sickle cell disease, a serious illness in which patients have two genes that cause the production of abnormal hemoglobin, individuals with sickle cell trait carry only one defective gene and typically live normal lives.

Most people with sickle cell trait have no symptoms and will not have any health complications, the website said. They can participate in athletics. Maintaining good hydration is important.

Coaches should consider someone with sickle cell trait like any athlete at risk for heat exhaustion, the website said.

Mike Grove, who coached Cauley-Stein at Northwest High School in Olathe, Kan., said he was unaware of the 7-footer having sickle cell trait.

Meanwhile, the new hair style showed that blonds can have a lot of fun. Cauley-Stein equalled a career high of nine blocks. He also scored six points and grabbed seven rebounds.

http://www.kentucky.com/2013/12/11/29833...

BRIGGS please stop with your hate for Stein....

nixluva wrote:This is the only medical issue that I could find regarding WCS. It was his having Sickle Cell Trait. It's been known for years now.

Sickle cell trait, a blood disorder which can affect endurance, was a factor in playing 25 minutes in Kentucky's victory over Boise State.

When asked about how he might have posted a triple-double if he played more minutes, Cauley-Stein said, "I was having a sickle cell problem. My chest starts to hurt."

Apparently, it's a recurring issue.

"Some days, just randomly, I've had real bad chest pain," he said. "I can't, like, breathe and my heart rate won't come down. I have to stop and wait for it to come down."

Cauley-Stein said he does not take medication to treat the sickle cell trait.

According to the American Society of Hematology website, sickle cell trait is an inherited blood disorder that affects about 8 percent of blacks. Unlike sickle cell disease, a serious illness in which patients have two genes that cause the production of abnormal hemoglobin, individuals with sickle cell trait carry only one defective gene and typically live normal lives.

Most people with sickle cell trait have no symptoms and will not have any health complications, the website said. They can participate in athletics. Maintaining good hydration is important.

Coaches should consider someone with sickle cell trait like any athlete at risk for heat exhaustion, the website said.

Mike Grove, who coached Cauley-Stein at Northwest High School in Olathe, Kan., said he was unaware of the 7-footer having sickle cell trait.

Meanwhile, the new hair style showed that blonds can have a lot of fun. Cauley-Stein equalled a career high of nine blocks. He also scored six points and grabbed seven rebounds.

http://www.kentucky.com/2013/12/11/29833...

Well SCT isn't nearly as bad as SCD and usually just means that depending on if they have children with someone else with SCT their kids could have SCD. But then you look up athletes on the who have SCT on the CDC website and it says

SCT and Athletes

Some people with SCT have been shown to be more likely than those without SCT to experience heat stroke and muscle breakdown when doing intense exercise, such as competitive sports or military training under unfavorable temperatures( very high or low) or conditions.

Studies have shown that the chance of this problem can be reduced by avoiding dehydration and getting too hot during training.

People with SCT who participate in competitive or team sports (i.e. student athletes) should be careful when doing training or conditioning activities. To prevent illness it is important to:

Set your own pace and build your intensity slowly.
Rest often in between repetitive sets and drills.
Drink plenty of water before, during and after training and conditioning activities.
Keep the body temperature cool when exercising in hot and humid temperatures by misting the body with water or going to an air conditioned area during breaks or rest periods.
Immediately seek medical care when feeling ill.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/sicklecell/tra...

Obviously WCS has dealt with this so far in his life and has excelled at sports, but It does make you wonder about drafting him at #4.

nixluva wrote:This is the only medical issue that I could find regarding WCS. It was his having Sickle Cell Trait. It's been known for years now.

Sickle cell trait, a blood disorder which can affect endurance, was a factor in playing 25 minutes in Kentucky's victory over Boise State.

When asked about how he might have posted a triple-double if he played more minutes, Cauley-Stein said, "I was having a sickle cell problem. My chest starts to hurt."

Apparently, it's a recurring issue.

"Some days, just randomly, I've had real bad chest pain," he said. "I can't, like, breathe and my heart rate won't come down. I have to stop and wait for it to come down."

Cauley-Stein said he does not take medication to treat the sickle cell trait.

According to the American Society of Hematology website, sickle cell trait is an inherited blood disorder that affects about 8 percent of blacks. Unlike sickle cell disease, a serious illness in which patients have two genes that cause the production of abnormal hemoglobin, individuals with sickle cell trait carry only one defective gene and typically live normal lives.

Most people with sickle cell trait have no symptoms and will not have any health complications, the website said. They can participate in athletics. Maintaining good hydration is important.

Coaches should consider someone with sickle cell trait like any athlete at risk for heat exhaustion, the website said.

Mike Grove, who coached Cauley-Stein at Northwest High School in Olathe, Kan., said he was unaware of the 7-footer having sickle cell trait.

Meanwhile, the new hair style showed that blonds can have a lot of fun. Cauley-Stein equalled a career high of nine blocks. He also scored six points and grabbed seven rebounds.

http://www.kentucky.com/2013/12/11/29833...

I have to assume that something else just showed up. He was listed at 5 all year and now dumped last minute? I'm sure teams knew about this why would his stock tank if everything was OK?

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:This is the only medical issue that I could find regarding WCS. It was his having Sickle Cell Trait. It's been known for years now.

Sickle cell trait, a blood disorder which can affect endurance, was a factor in playing 25 minutes in Kentucky's victory over Boise State.

When asked about how he might have posted a triple-double if he played more minutes, Cauley-Stein said, "I was having a sickle cell problem. My chest starts to hurt."

Apparently, it's a recurring issue.

"Some days, just randomly, I've had real bad chest pain," he said. "I can't, like, breathe and my heart rate won't come down. I have to stop and wait for it to come down."

Cauley-Stein said he does not take medication to treat the sickle cell trait.

According to the American Society of Hematology website, sickle cell trait is an inherited blood disorder that affects about 8 percent of blacks. Unlike sickle cell disease, a serious illness in which patients have two genes that cause the production of abnormal hemoglobin, individuals with sickle cell trait carry only one defective gene and typically live normal lives.

Most people with sickle cell trait have no symptoms and will not have any health complications, the website said. They can participate in athletics. Maintaining good hydration is important.

Coaches should consider someone with sickle cell trait like any athlete at risk for heat exhaustion, the website said.

Mike Grove, who coached Cauley-Stein at Northwest High School in Olathe, Kan., said he was unaware of the 7-footer having sickle cell trait.

Meanwhile, the new hair style showed that blonds can have a lot of fun. Cauley-Stein equalled a career high of nine blocks. He also scored six points and grabbed seven rebounds.

http://www.kentucky.com/2013/12/11/29833...

I have to assume that something else just showed up. He was listed at 5 all year and now dumped last minute? I'm sure teams knew about this why would his stock tank if everything was OK?

I'm not buying that something "just showed up" when they do such important testing to make sure these young players are good to go for playing in the NBA. I haven't heard anything definitive that would suggest that WCS is a great risk health wise. Until something new comes out I have to think it's something like the Sickle Cell stuff.

He's been working out and sweating hard and even pushed in his workout in Denver where it's punishing for every athlete that goes there for the 1st time. He did an interview right after that Denver workout and talked about it being tough as expected but getting his 2nd wind.

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:This is the only medical issue that I could find regarding WCS. It was his having Sickle Cell Trait. It's been known for years now.

Sickle cell trait, a blood disorder which can affect endurance, was a factor in playing 25 minutes in Kentucky's victory over Boise State.

When asked about how he might have posted a triple-double if he played more minutes, Cauley-Stein said, "I was having a sickle cell problem. My chest starts to hurt."

Apparently, it's a recurring issue.

"Some days, just randomly, I've had real bad chest pain," he said. "I can't, like, breathe and my heart rate won't come down. I have to stop and wait for it to come down."

Cauley-Stein said he does not take medication to treat the sickle cell trait.

According to the American Society of Hematology website, sickle cell trait is an inherited blood disorder that affects about 8 percent of blacks. Unlike sickle cell disease, a serious illness in which patients have two genes that cause the production of abnormal hemoglobin, individuals with sickle cell trait carry only one defective gene and typically live normal lives.

Most people with sickle cell trait have no symptoms and will not have any health complications, the website said. They can participate in athletics. Maintaining good hydration is important.

Coaches should consider someone with sickle cell trait like any athlete at risk for heat exhaustion, the website said.

Mike Grove, who coached Cauley-Stein at Northwest High School in Olathe, Kan., said he was unaware of the 7-footer having sickle cell trait.

Meanwhile, the new hair style showed that blonds can have a lot of fun. Cauley-Stein equalled a career high of nine blocks. He also scored six points and grabbed seven rebounds.

http://www.kentucky.com/2013/12/11/29833...

I have to assume that something else just showed up. He was listed at 5 all year and now dumped last minute? I'm sure teams knew about this why would his stock tank if everything was OK?

I'm not buying that something "just showed up" when they do such important testing to make sure these young players are good to go for playing in the NBA. I haven't heard anything definitive that would suggest that WCS is a great risk health wise. Until something new comes out I have to think it's something like the Sickle Cell stuff.

He's been working out and sweating hard and even pushed in his workout in Denver where it's punishing for every athlete that goes there for the 1st time. He did an interview right after that Denver workout and talked about it being tough as expected but getting his 2nd wind.

Dx is pretty reputable-- while the truth at this time of year is not exactly told-- I doubt that they would dump him based on info that is out there. I've never seen 1 player listed at 11 on a mock go 4 have you?

Speaking on the radio show he shares with former Louisville coach Denny Crum on AM-790 in Louisville, Hall said he’d recently asked Cauley-Stein at a UK practice about the extent of his injury. The junior big man told Hall he’d had a metal plate and three screws inserted to stabilize his ankle.

A UK spokesman could not confirm Hall’s account of Cauley-Stein’s procedure or elaborate in any way.

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...

It could just be the plate and screws in his ankle and the athletic way he plays....

You see this alot...especially when certain teams want him to slide like the Pacers. It's very easy to put out reports around this time, becasue it's crunch time before the draft. It could also be based on what they think the knicks will do. That has a trickle affect on the other picks. And since Phil is all over the place every other day, I'm not surprised on WCS going from 4 to 11....

I still believe he's the 1 player that would impact this team the most. He's not the best player at 4 and he doesn't have the most upside at 4, but he will be a positive impact on this team for years. He's that security blanket every team needs, which allows you to add almost anybody you want after him, because you know he will bring it on defense. The perfect player Melo needs, next to Winslow, who I still think could be the pick. Melo and Winslow would make each other better! You can't go wrong with either player. Don't sleep on Winslow shot blocking as well.....He's not like WCS, but if I'm not mistaken, he had more blocks than OK4 during thier championship run....

Oh, and if you like HS stats....I beleive Winslow was murdering everybody.....I read a story about a game where he had 40 something, and won the game on a last minute play. So he has a history of winning....and he's a legit two way player. Might be the safest pick at 4.

Yikes. Can't wait to get to Thursday. Some of you are making alarming statements, like "let's pick WCS at #4". Talk about a waste of a lost season. Jeepers.

Moonangie wrote:Yikes. Can't wait to get to Thursday. Some of you are making alarming statements, like "let's pick WCS at #4". Talk about a waste of a lost season. Jeepers.

Clever line.

Moonangie wrote:Yikes. Can't wait to get to Thursday. Some of you are making alarming statements, like "let's pick WCS at #4". Talk about a waste of a lost season. Jeepers.

It really depends on what you value most. If you really value great Team Defense, then you might consider WCS at #4 even if others may differ on that opinion. We may not end up keeping the #4 pick so it could come to be that we take WCS with a later pick. Who knows if they even end up taking him at all. This is all just speculation anyway. So many different things can happen including players dropping that we didn't expect.

Espn has also moved him down to 11 This am

BRIGGS wrote:Espn has also moved him down to 11 This am

Meh! This is the kind of thing that is expected at this time of the process. It doesn't mean WCS is not a worthy player but it's mostly about what analysts think is likely to be the preferences of teams as the tea leaves indicate right now. It's actually good news for Phil if he looks to try and make a deal to get more assets. He can get WCS and another player out of this if he plays it right.