The info. on WCS just doesn't add up to me. He was behind 5 college sophomores and freshmen in the shot charts but we think he will make effective use of shot attempts in the NBA? Was Calipari clueless? If his skills work against NBA competition you'd expect him to be dominant against college competition. Per 40 min, the rankings look even worse. Kentucky had a balanced offense but still had guys taking 12 to 15 shots per 40 but he WCS was 9th on the team with 9 attempts per 40. Why were these freshmen and sophomores ahead of him in the offense?
Dude, how many points did Town average???? Oh by the way, how many points did Davis average when he was in Kentucky?
Bonn1997 wrote:The info. on WCS just doesn't add up to me. He was behind 5 college sophomores and freshmen in the shot charts but we think he will make effective use of shot attempts in the NBA? Was Calipari clueless? If his skills work against NBA competition you'd expect him to be dominant against college competition. Per 40 min, the rankings look even worse. Kentucky had a balanced offense but still had guys taking 12 to 15 shots per 40 but he WCS was 9th on the team with 9 attempts per 40. Why were these freshmen and sophomores ahead of him in the offense?
I am going to assume that you did not watch many of their games, right?
They had many scorers and their offense did not need WCS to score (at all).
Towns could double his output (possibly) in the NBA yet on that team, he did not need to do much.
I think that you may be reading a bit too much into this.
Knicks1969 wrote:Dude, how many points did Town average???? Oh by the way, how many points did Davis average when he was in Kentucky?
Towns was a freshman and averaged 6 more points per 40 min than Stein did as a junior.
mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:The info. on WCS just doesn't add up to me. He was behind 5 college sophomores and freshmen in the shot charts but we think he will make effective use of shot attempts in the NBA? Was Calipari clueless? If his skills work against NBA competition you'd expect him to be dominant against college competition. Per 40 min, the rankings look even worse. Kentucky had a balanced offense but still had guys taking 12 to 15 shots per 40 but he WCS was 9th on the team with 9 attempts per 40. Why were these freshmen and sophomores ahead of him in the offense?
I am going to assume that you did not watch many of their games, right?
They had many scorers and their offense did not need WCS to score (at all).
Towns could double his output (possibly) in the NBA yet on that team, he did not need to do much.
I think that you may be reading a bit too much into this.
Towns averaged 19.5 points per 40 min. I can't imagine that he could easily double his production in college let alone the NBA. An efficient 19.5 per 40 is impressive for a freshman though.
Not needing WCS? That just politely restates my argument that WCS was an inferior scoring option to a bunch of college freshman and sophomores. What are some examples of good NBA scorers whose scoring wasn't needed in college - even by their junior years?
Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:The info. on WCS just doesn't add up to me. He was behind 5 college sophomores and freshmen in the shot charts but we think he will make effective use of shot attempts in the NBA? Was Calipari clueless? If his skills work against NBA competition you'd expect him to be dominant against college competition. Per 40 min, the rankings look even worse. Kentucky had a balanced offense but still had guys taking 12 to 15 shots per 40 but he WCS was 9th on the team with 9 attempts per 40. Why were these freshmen and sophomores ahead of him in the offense?
I am going to assume that you did not watch many of their games, right?
They had many scorers and their offense did not need WCS to score (at all).
Towns could double his output (possibly) in the NBA yet on that team, he did not need to do much.
I think that you may be reading a bit too much into this.
Towns averaged 19.5 points per 40 min. I can't imagine that he could easily double his production in college let alone the NBA. An efficient 19.5 per 40 is impressive for a freshman though.
Not needing WCS? That just politely restates my argument that WCS was an inferior scoring option to a bunch of college freshman and sophomores. What are some examples of good NBA scorers whose scoring wasn't needed in college?
who says that we need him to be a good NBA scorer? We would be happy if he could be D Jordan who can shoot a bit.
I think WCS will be an effective NBA player and I think he fits on the KNicks. That said, if they draft WCS at #4 I might snap
mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:The info. on WCS just doesn't add up to me. He was behind 5 college sophomores and freshmen in the shot charts but we think he will make effective use of shot attempts in the NBA? Was Calipari clueless? If his skills work against NBA competition you'd expect him to be dominant against college competition. Per 40 min, the rankings look even worse. Kentucky had a balanced offense but still had guys taking 12 to 15 shots per 40 but he WCS was 9th on the team with 9 attempts per 40. Why were these freshmen and sophomores ahead of him in the offense?
I am going to assume that you did not watch many of their games, right?
They had many scorers and their offense did not need WCS to score (at all).
Towns could double his output (possibly) in the NBA yet on that team, he did not need to do much.
I think that you may be reading a bit too much into this.
Towns averaged 19.5 points per 40 min. I can't imagine that he could easily double his production in college let alone the NBA. An efficient 19.5 per 40 is impressive for a freshman though.
Not needing WCS? That just politely restates my argument that WCS was an inferior scoring option to a bunch of college freshman and sophomores. What are some examples of good NBA scorers whose scoring wasn't needed in college?
who says that we need him to be a good NBA scorer? We would be happy if he could be D Jordan who can shoot a bit.
OK, let me re-word my question: What are some examples of double-digit NBA scorers whose scoring "wasn't needed" even by their junior year in college?
I think Phil does want to see if he can get more assets from the #4 spot. If he could add a player and a pick or just more picks and still come away with WCS I think he'd be happy with that. Moving back is only beneficial if you can still get a player you think has value after moving back.
WCS role is not that of a primary scorer. It's just the way people think about the draft that it's really mostly about adding a primary scorer. Not many people appreciate a Primary Defender like WCS.
Exactly. Great post. Both Stein and Porzingis are gassed up by teams who want Knicks to pass on the big 4. Everyone wants to make this draft complicated, but it's simple. You take one of the big 4 if they're available. Period. I could see someone making a case for Hezonja, but Porzingis is overrated big time right now.
Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:The info. on WCS just doesn't add up to me. He was behind 5 college sophomores and freshmen in the shot charts but we think he will make effective use of shot attempts in the NBA? Was Calipari clueless? If his skills work against NBA competition you'd expect him to be dominant against college competition. Per 40 min, the rankings look even worse. Kentucky had a balanced offense but still had guys taking 12 to 15 shots per 40 but he WCS was 9th on the team with 9 attempts per 40. Why were these freshmen and sophomores ahead of him in the offense?
I am going to assume that you did not watch many of their games, right?
They had many scorers and their offense did not need WCS to score (at all).
Towns could double his output (possibly) in the NBA yet on that team, he did not need to do much.
I think that you may be reading a bit too much into this.
Towns averaged 19.5 points per 40 min. I can't imagine that he could easily double his production in college let alone the NBA. An efficient 19.5 per 40 is impressive for a freshman though.
Not needing WCS? That just politely restates my argument that WCS was an inferior scoring option to a bunch of college freshman and sophomores. What are some examples of good NBA scorers whose scoring wasn't needed in college?
who says that we need him to be a good NBA scorer? We would be happy if he could be D Jordan who can shoot a bit.
OK, let me re-word my question: What are some examples of double-digit NBA scorers whose scoring "wasn't needed" even by their junior year in college?
There are probably many players who have shown things in practice that they can't duplicate in games on a consistent basis.
There is simply no way that Calipari does not expand Stein's role in the offense if he feels he can be counted on.
If Stein was coming out as a freshman, and you heard he had a good shot but was not featured in the offense because of this or that player, I would not be as critical of him, but...
...this guy has been on the team for 3 years and had an opportunity to practice against some very good big men, yet Calipari declined to give him a greater role in the offense...It was Stein's job to play well enough to force Calipari to give him a large offensive role, and Calipari must have seen something that kept him from doing this.
If Stein did show these things in practice, but Cal still did not expand his role, you have to figure that he saw something in Stein's mental makeup that prevented him from being a consistent offensive contributor in actual games, unless everyone thinks Calipari does not want the best for his team.
Yet guys now want Stein for a team whose bigs just don't stand around waiting for a rebound put-back or pick and roll.
If you look at the bigs who came up with red flagged limited offensive games and were drafted top 8, I would challenge people to find a big man who became an accomplished and polished offensive player in the NBA. Might find one or two, but they are very rare.
Good luck with this thread though...be prepared for a barrage of Steinlove.
Moonangie wrote:mreinman wrote:WAKEUPKNICKS2015 wrote:Exactly. Great post. Both Stein and Porzingis are gassed up by teams who want Knicks to pass on the big 4. Everyone wants to make this draft complicated, but it's simple. You take one of the big 4 if they're available. Period. I could see someone making a case for Hezonja, but Porzingis is overrated big time right now.
who is the big 4?
Towns
Ok44
Russell
???
Mudiay.
Mudiay????? That is delusional. Mudiay is not even top 10 material
Knicks1969 wrote:Moonangie wrote:mreinman wrote:WAKEUPKNICKS2015 wrote:Exactly. Great post. Both Stein and Porzingis are gassed up by teams who want Knicks to pass on the big 4. Everyone wants to make this draft complicated, but it's simple. You take one of the big 4 if they're available. Period. I could see someone making a case for Hezonja, but Porzingis is overrated big time right now.
who is the big 4?
Towns
Ok44
Russell
???
Mudiay.
Mudiay????? That is delusional. Mudiay is not even top 10 material
Not sure if trolling or stupid. Mudiay was considered the unanimous top pick before the year started and hasn't gone below 6 on ANY credible draft site. You're too infuatuated with these little workout videos, and not watching the players who perform when it matters. In game. Mudiay is a big physical specimen who will get to the rack at will. He's not frail like Galloway, would love to get Mudiay.
