Knicks · Berger suggesting the Nuggets if they have both the 6th and 7th pick might use it to trade for the knicks pick (page 2)

crzymdups wrote:This trade would be fantastic. I would sign up for it. Draft Winslow and Stein.

That's a great haul for the #4 pick. I don't want to get too excited about the possibilities of that happening. It's too good to be hoped for. That would really changed the direction of the franchise. You could still make a deal for another pick to try and grab a guard later.

stein is injured and has sickle cell trait

jbeachboy wrote:stein is injured and has sickle cell trait

dude come on man, there are threads and details about what is really going on with Stein, it's just a concern about a pin, and that's not "injured"

This LA/SAC/Orl may have more legs than people realize, remember this :

smackeddog wrote:Looks like either Sacramento or Denver are after the lakers pick (I suspect Sacramento):

“Let’s just say there was a team that had the fifth or sixth or seventh pick, and they wanted to go to No. 2,” Kupchak told SiriusXM NBA Radio. “In that area of the draft, just to move up two or three or four slots, normally, it’s hard to do. And the price that that team would pay would be high, because they’ve targeted a player that they really want. Obviously the other team would know that, and they would have to pay for that.”

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:4 for 6 and 7??

ugh ... you have to be freakin kidding me?

What's wrong with that? Likely nuggets draft Mudiay at 4, Porzingis goes to Magic at 5, leaving us to pick up Winslow and WCS, or whomever (lyle, Kaminsky, Payne, Looney, Hezonja)

Nothing wrong for the Knicks. Everything wrong for Denver

If Towns/Okafor/Russell are gone, that could be a good, move depending on the picks. Triangle or not, I would prefer to see Phil use one of the picks to draft the best PG available. Mudiay at 6 and another first round pick would be a lot safer than Mudiay at 4, if he falls to 6. Tired of watching the Knicks go on the retread PG market again and again. Would like to see a good long term solution at PG.

The other pick I would want to use on a big. If we possibly have a PG of the future, going after a big with one of the picks, looks like a good option. WCS, or maybe a player with more proven scoring ability.

yellowboy90 wrote:This LA/SAC/Orl may have more legs than people realize, remember this :

smackeddog wrote:Looks like either Sacramento or Denver are after the lakers pick (I suspect Sacramento):

“Let’s just say there was a team that had the fifth or sixth or seventh pick, and they wanted to go to No. 2,” Kupchak told SiriusXM NBA Radio. “In that area of the draft, just to move up two or three or four slots, normally, it’s hard to do. And the price that that team would pay would be high, because they’ve targeted a player that they really want. Obviously the other team would know that, and they would have to pay for that.”

seriously doubt that 3team trade is even remotely close to happening.... i could see vucevic being used to trade up to #2 or cousins straight up for #2... but that 3 teamer has little chance of happening...

Orlando would take Porzingis, I would assume, and...

Phil would take Winslow and Kaminsky-two high character guys with great ability who just happened to have reached the NCAA finals this year.

After Anthony is gone we will have our 3 & 4 slots finalized for a long time.

wargames wrote:Its speculation (hell I brought this scenario up myself a few weeks ago) but this is the ideal scenario I think for the knicks if they don't want Mudiay. Kings stock up for a playoff run, Nuggets get a young star to build around that might need 2-3 seasons to develop, knicks get players to build cheap depth around (and maybe a contract dump) who might become stars but not as likely as mudiay.

Think I remember you bringing it up and most of us liked it, including me.

More from the Berger article:

Two teams in the bottom of the first round, Memphis (25) and San Antonio (26), may be open to dealing their picks to avoid cap holds and preserve room as they re-sign Marc Gasol and Kawhi Leonard, respectively.

I also heard Boston wants to use the 28th to move up in a package with the 16th pick. If they can't they may not want the cap hold and might move the pick.

GustavBahler wrote:If Towns/Okafor/Russell are gone, that could be a good, move depending on the picks. Triangle or not, I would prefer to see Phil use one of the picks to draft the best PG available. Mudiay at 6 and another first round pick would be a lot safer than Mudiay at 4, if he falls to 6. Tired of watching the Knicks go on the retread PG market again and again. Would like to see a good long term solution at PG.

The other pick I would want to use on a big. If we possibly have a PG of the future, going after a big with one of the picks, looks like a good option. WCS, or maybe a player with more proven scoring ability.

I could see Phil going Mudiay and a big if he had 2 picks and Mudiay was still on the board. It's a good move. No matter what if a deal like this was presented you have to take it. There are some players left in this draft that are going to be better than people think. It's up to your GM and staff to find those players.

mreinman wrote:4 for 6 and 7??

ugh ... you have to be freakin kidding me?

Why??

Do you mean it will never happen, or that we should not do it.

Darn good trade for us, IMO, even if we have to take on a contract.

CrushAlot wrote:More from the Berger article:

Two teams in the bottom of the first round, Memphis (25) and San Antonio (26), may be open to dealing their picks to avoid cap holds and preserve room as they re-sign Marc Gasol and Kawhi Leonard, respectively.

I also heard Boston wants to use the 28th to move up in a package with the 16th pick. If they can't they may not want the cap hold and might move the pick.

I hope Phil is all over these kinds of opportunities. IMO there are some gems late in this draft. I would guess that's why they worked out about 30 guys. No other reason to go that far if you don't intend to look for more picks. This franchise needs talent on the big team and D League to be developed.

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:If Towns/Okafor/Russell are gone, that could be a good, move depending on the picks. Triangle or not, I would prefer to see Phil use one of the picks to draft the best PG available. Mudiay at 6 and another first round pick would be a lot safer than Mudiay at 4, if he falls to 6. Tired of watching the Knicks go on the retread PG market again and again. Would like to see a good long term solution at PG.

The other pick I would want to use on a big. If we possibly have a PG of the future, going after a big with one of the picks, looks like a good option. WCS, or maybe a player with more proven scoring ability.

I could see Phil going Mudiay and a big if he had 2 picks and Mudiay was still on the board. It's a good move. No matter what if a deal like this was presented you have to take it. There are some players left in this draft that are going to be better than people think. It's up to your GM and staff to find those players.

Having a rookie PG and a big, first round picks, starting out at the same time, would be a good way to try and build a foundation.

tj23 wrote:I'm a huge Mudiay fan but even if we missed out on him I like this deal, dependent on who we take of course.

If we want Mudiay, we just take him with the #4. This is if we're not 100% sure about Mudiay, we trade the pick and hope one of the players we MOST want slips to 6. But I agree, 2 top-ten picks is just the sort of deal we'd want to consider carefully.

Anyone have any idea what player Denver has in mind for the #4 pick?

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:More from the Berger article:

Two teams in the bottom of the first round, Memphis (25) and San Antonio (26), may be open to dealing their picks to avoid cap holds and preserve room as they re-sign Marc Gasol and Kawhi Leonard, respectively.

I also heard Boston wants to use the 28th to move up in a package with the 16th pick. If they can't they may not want the cap hold and might move the pick.

I hope Phil is all over these kinds of opportunities. IMO there are some gems late in this draft. I would guess that's why they worked out about 30 guys. No other reason to go that far if you don't intend to look for more picks. This franchise needs talent on the big team and D League to be developed.

I agree. I think you offer cash, future seconds, and players the Knicks have the rights to. Teams not wanting to take on cap space would probably prefer assets to cash or an asset/cash combination.

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:More from the Berger article:

Two teams in the bottom of the first round, Memphis (25) and San Antonio (26), may be open to dealing their picks to avoid cap holds and preserve room as they re-sign Marc Gasol and Kawhi Leonard, respectively.

I also heard Boston wants to use the 28th to move up in a package with the 16th pick. If they can't they may not want the cap hold and might move the pick.

I hope Phil is all over these kinds of opportunities. IMO there are some gems late in this draft. I would guess that's why they worked out about 30 guys. No other reason to go that far if you don't intend to look for more picks. This franchise needs talent on the big team and D League to be developed.

I agree. I think you offer cash, future seconds, and players the Knicks have the rights to. Teams not wanting to take on cap space would probably prefer assets to cash or an asset/cash combination.

Each team has $3M/year to do this kind of thing- do we still have this money to use?

You have the trade exceptions, too. Anyone on those teams worthy of being taken for a trade exception in a salary dump?

Never even considered their value-would be nice if we could cash some in for some picks.

there's simply not enough qualitative difference 4-10 to not like this scenario. championship teams have depth and i like the notion of having bargaining chips for next year's draft where we don't have a first round pick. we aren't going anywhere next season anyway so getting 6 and 7 creates flexibility and opportunity. slowly and carefully build a championship team that will eventually contend yearly and bring respect back to new york.

With 6 & 7, would we even think of Hezonja?

This is a report about the stuff he's had to put up with his coach. He was not even started in the second game of his playoffs, and only got 15 minutes of game time after scoring 18pts in 25 minutes the other day. This is a posting by a very irate fan who is unhappy about how Hezonja is being used.

http://WWW.EUROJOHNBBALL.COM/

JUNE 21st - SPANISH ACB FINALS - GAME TWO
- SERGIO LLULL - 24 PTS LEADS IN WIN

1. Real Madrid 100 FC Barcelona 80 - After a tough 78-72 win by Real Madrid in game one versus FC Barcelona, where talented 20 year old

Croatian SG Mario Hezonja brushed off the usual horrible coaching job by head coach Xavier Pasual this season and kept FC Barcelona in game

one of the ACB Finals with 18 points in 25 minutes (even though his great offensive skills are sometimes just left on the bench with DNP on

the stats sheet, or even worse, Hezonja was given 6 minutes of play in the closeout Semis game 5 versus Unicaja in the first half and scored

8 points, on 3-4 FG and was not seen again in the 2nd half. That type of horrible coaching hurt coach Xavier Pascual in the 2015 Euroleague

playoffs in game four versus Olympiacos, as Mario Hezonja got a DNP and FC Barcelona lost 3-1 and did not go to the Euroleague Final Four)
.

Today in game two of the Spanish ACB Finals, after a great 18 point, 6-10 FG, 5-6 from 3 point land game versus the best team in Europe in 25

minutes, coach Pascual did not start Mario Hezonja and only gave the talented Croatian 15 minutes of play,

rather giving 32 year old SG Brad Oleson 21 minutes on the court who was 0-3 from 3 point land, 1 point in the game and was the guy chasing

Houston Rockets 2nd round pick Sergio Llull around screens, as Llull went off for 5-5 from deep in the 1st quarter and led Real Madrid with

24 points in 29 minutes, on 8-11FG, 6-8(3PT), 2-2 FT. If Oleson getting 21 minutes is not bad enough, French SG Edwin Jackson also got 21

minutes on the court and shot 1-4 FG, 1-2 FT, 3 points,

while the YOUNGEST PLAYER EVER IN THE ACB FINALS TO SCORE 18 POINTS, Mario Hezonja only got 15 minutes of run,

scoring 5 points, on 2-3 FG, 1-2(3PT), ARE YOU KIDDING ME coach Pascual, how can your best talent on the roster not get the start after he

kept FC Barcelona in game one of the Finals and how can Brad Oleson & Edwin Jackson get more minutes on the court.

The best shot FC Barcelona has to win in this series, is to let Hezonja get shots versus Real Madrid and be the main man at the top of the

key, as he has showed in 3 games versus Real Madrid, 22 Points, 15 points and 18 points, that he can score versus the best squad in Europe.

...if FC Barcelona want to get a win in this finals, coach Pascual needs to use his best wing talent Mario Hezonja and forget his age by

going with vets, WAKE UP COACH PASCUAL.

I have to say, going from 4 to 6 & 7 isn't a bad deal - especially if the consensus is the talent there at the top is on par.

Moonangie wrote:

tj23 wrote:I'm a huge Mudiay fan but even if we missed out on him I like this deal, dependent on who we take of course.

If we want Mudiay, we just take him with the #4. This is if we're not 100% sure about Mudiay, we trade the pick and hope one of the players we MOST want slips to 6. But I agree, 2 top-ten picks is just the sort of deal we'd want to consider carefully.

Anyone have any idea what player Denver has in mind for the #4 pick?

If they are giving up Lawson it would be Mudiay, unless it is Russell, and then Phil might not deal, but who knows.