Knicks · If any Knick fans go to the draft and we take Porzingis at 4 (page 2)
nyk4ever wrote:CrushAlot wrote:FistOfOakley wrote:Over 3.5 blocks and 70% fg over 11 boards per 40...Also he is three months older than Towns and 4 months older than Okafor. Basically a soph?
I liked Gobert and wanted the Knicks to pick him. I thought physically he had unique potential. I think it is the same with Kristaps.
i get the same feeling about kristaps, but who knows really. i'll just never understand how people can pretend to know what a player is going to be when he's played overseas and they literally have NOTHING to go on - the same can be said for mudiay, you got guys here saying he won't be anything in the nba. based on what? atleast with college players, you can watch them and have an idea of what makes them tick, how they perform under pressure and maybe what kind of career they will have.
either way, im with briggs - let the scouts do their jobs and if we pick him, be happy. the international game has come a long way from the days of fredrick weis and just because you pick a foreign player, it doesn't mean they are going to be a skinny stiff with no game.
yea the game has come a long way since even Darko & Bargnani
Vmart wrote:Be happy with who ever the Knicks pick. Booing the pick only hurts the player not so much the organization. The last thing anyone should do is boo a player on his day of happiness.
Word. Have some respect.
Vmart wrote:Be happy with who ever the Knicks pick. Booing the pick only hurts the player not so much the organization. The last thing anyone should do is boo a player on his day of happiness.
Very true. Unless we trade pick #4 for a future 2017 pick lets just give it a reasonable chance. If we take Stein at 4 I will personally accept it and be his big fan. I just want to win.
nyk4ever wrote:nixluva wrote:nyk4ever wrote:i love the guys on here saying he isn't and won't be ready like they actually know that. i for one put my trust in actual scouts who have watched him play, as well as former nba players who have played with him and have good things to say about him.i hope we draft him, just so i can see what nixluva has to say after his comments on this thread.
Why don't you tell us what the scouts say about KrisP being ready right now or needing years to really be ready. From what i've seen of him and what a lot of scouts have said it will take some time for KrisP to develop. I could see him playing some 3 or stretch 4 but he's gonna need time to develop in order to be ready for the NBA level.
I think it would be extremely hard to put a kid like him in NY when he's so far away from ready. NY which is like a meat grinder could ruin his confidence. He needs a place were he can develop at his own pace.
every player needs time to develop, why are you only focusing on porzingis about this "time to develop"? guess what, we got a few years for him to develop because this team isn't going anywhere for a few years anyways.
just be honest, this is only because you want stein. it really has nothing to do with porzingis, it's all because you want stein.
NO! I actually spent time going over every video I could find on the kid and he's got talent. He's a very promising prospect but he's also got a long way to go in terms of strength and we really don't know if he'll ever reach his full potential. He wouldn't be the 1st player to look like he was on his way to superstardom only to not reach that potential. I've mentioned that it looks like Phil is thinking about Kaminsky or WCS because they fit what he's been saying he wants. Even now he's still hinting that he'd prefer to go in that direction.
We only hope that KrisP will turn out to be better than Kaminsky or WCS or anyone else we could at #4. We don't KNOW that he'll be better and right now he's not yet as capable as other prospects we're more sure about. I don't know that Phil can take the risk knowing this market is impatient as well. He's seen how the press here circles like Sharks waiting for any misstep or failure.
Vmart wrote:Be happy with who ever the Knicks pick. Booing the pick only hurts the player not so much the organization. The last thing anyone should do is boo a player on his day of happiness.
who would be happy being drafted by a 17 win team with a dysfunctional owner in the media capital of the world?
A masochist!
BRIGGS wrote:If you boo you're ignorant. Stay classy and be shrewd. He's a good pick--don't listen to any naysayers son this one. Athletic 7-2 C with his skill come around NEVER. Take a hard look at Rudy Gobert for Utah. He was 7-2 215 for his Euro team at 20 and avg 8-5 Now he might be the best center in the nBA 2 years later. This is no chump--this is no Fred Weiss. This is an athletic Rik Smits an EXTREMELY hard piece to find.
If it goes down like that, I think some fans will boo the general mismanagement over the last 15 years, the fact that we didn't land a top pick despite our wretched record and a pick they may not agree with.
This owner & organization deserves the fans ire.
I am hoping for a turn around & the start of a solid foundation for success in the future, but I have very low expectations.
Always believe in giving any young player time to develop. Guys around here talk about rebuilding and developing young players, but many don't have the patience for it, and that is why this team has been so terrible over the years.
Really hoping that Russell somehow drops to us. I think he can energize the franchise. Never expected that there was even a chance he might be available, but now he's in the "you never know" category. Many say he's the perfect guard to run the triangle- it will be a steal if we get him.
Would be very happy with Porzingis or Kaminsky, and also happy with Winslow, and I believe one of these 3 will be taken on Thursday if Russell is gone.
Winslow is a competitor with a lot talent and even more pride and drive. Didn't like that foolish "branding" comment he made, but he can give you a lot of things to work with, and might become our Lebron neutralizer if we get him.
Kaminsky is the most underrated guy in the draft, but I think Phil likes him, and he's a guy who can play well in the Triangle and any other system out there. Continues to get better each year and he's smart.
Porzingis has more experience than almost any player in the draft, and the last two years he's played against and with grown men. Phil actually talked about this in his press conference, if anyone was actually able to hear the clip. If you are doing a true rebuild, he is the guy you take, but I've watched as much or more video of him than anyone, including the full games available, and if you think he can't contribute next year you are fooling yourself. He will get banged around, and needs added weight, but he has a much more polished game than many think, and he's a lot tougher than given credit for around here. I posted photos of some of the other thinner players who came into the league and became great, and he is not that different than they were at his age. Like OK4, his body has not yet matured, but its only a matter of time. I've seen him make some shots that few legit 7+ foot players have ever made with his fluency, and I've also seen a 7'1" kid who got beat at the foul line by a guard recover to block the shot.
Going on too much…here's part of an article about him a few days ago to close things out...
...After becoming fluent in English with a slight accent, after the experience of playing in Spain's ACB as the second-best league in the world and after Kyle Lowry was telling people at Impact a year ago he would not show up the next day unless Porzingis was on his team -- is that it is impossible to imagine an international prospect through the years more prepared for the NBA jump. Others have been stronger and more ready for the mosh pit life of the power forward who will have to rebound and defend inside no matter how good he is with the ball. Others have had the experience in the Olympics or world championships that provided scouting opportunities against the U.S. talent he will face three or four times a week in the future. But no one has the background of having left his family five years ago to play in Spain and the competition he got there.
http://www.nba.com/2015/news/features/sc...
CrushAlot wrote:FistOfOakley wrote:Who's scouting report is this from?nyk4ever wrote:i love the guys on here saying he isn't and won't be ready like they actually know that. i for one put my trust in actual scouts who have watched him play, as well as former nba players who have played with him and have good things to say about him.i hope we draft him, just so i can see what nixluva has to say after his comments on this thread.
Nobody knows... You just have to go off what you know... And I know I've seen this story before.. Way before dirk.. Way before Darko... The story of the soft 7fter... And it always ends badly...
He needs to bulk up his upper body, in order to be able to withstand the extra physicality at the NBA level He has a mild demeanor, sometimes he appears to play with a reduced gear, lacking much competitive fire ... At times, his lack of a great feel for the game becomes apparent as he fails to recognize plays before they develop or doesn't finish off plays with enough aggression ...
So is your mystery player someone coming from the college ranks… somebody who played in a state which usually votes Republican in Presidential elections??
franco12 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:If you boo you're ignorant. Stay classy and be shrewd. He's a good pick--don't listen to any naysayers son this one. Athletic 7-2 C with his skill come around NEVER. Take a hard look at Rudy Gobert for Utah. He was 7-2 215 for his Euro team at 20 and avg 8-5 Now he might be the best center in the nBA 2 years later. This is no chump--this is no Fred Weiss. This is an athletic Rik Smits an EXTREMELY hard piece to find.If it goes down like that, I think some fans will boo the general mismanagement over the last 15 years, the fact that we didn't land a top pick despite our wretched record and a pick they may not agree with.
This owner & organization deserves the fans ire.
I am hoping for a turn around & the start of a solid foundation for success in the future, but I have very low expectations.
They boo for all the wrong reason. Those are the same people who cheered our final 2 wins
franco12 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:If you boo you're ignorant. Stay classy and be shrewd. He's a good pick--don't listen to any naysayers son this one. Athletic 7-2 C with his skill come around NEVER. Take a hard look at Rudy Gobert for Utah. He was 7-2 215 for his Euro team at 20 and avg 8-5 Now he might be the best center in the nBA 2 years later. This is no chump--this is no Fred Weiss. This is an athletic Rik Smits an EXTREMELY hard piece to find.If it goes down like that, I think some fans will boo the general mismanagement over the last 15 years, the fact that we didn't land a top pick despite our wretched record and a pick they may not agree with.
This owner & organization deserves the fans ire.
I am hoping for a turn around & the start of a solid foundation for success in the future, but I have very low expectations.
Said it before…will say it again.
The man with low expectations is the man who will never be disappointed.
Best way to think about this team right now.
WaltLongmire wrote:franco12 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:If you boo you're ignorant. Stay classy and be shrewd. He's a good pick--don't listen to any naysayers son this one. Athletic 7-2 C with his skill come around NEVER. Take a hard look at Rudy Gobert for Utah. He was 7-2 215 for his Euro team at 20 and avg 8-5 Now he might be the best center in the nBA 2 years later. This is no chump--this is no Fred Weiss. This is an athletic Rik Smits an EXTREMELY hard piece to find.If it goes down like that, I think some fans will boo the general mismanagement over the last 15 years, the fact that we didn't land a top pick despite our wretched record and a pick they may not agree with.
This owner & organization deserves the fans ire.
I am hoping for a turn around & the start of a solid foundation for success in the future, but I have very low expectations.
Said it before…will say it again.
The man with low expectations is the man who will never be disappointed.
Best way to think about this team right now.
I think drafting Porzingis would be exciting. I think having a +7-2 athletic skilled 5 who is intelligent and a basketball junkie--I feel real good about. Also like Kaminsky but he might not have the defense upside of Porzingis
WaltLongmire wrote:No. Fist of Oakley has been killing Prozingis, even goes after him for being 3 months older than Towns. He used Gobert as an example of a euro big that put up numbers (8 and 5 in france), and referenced seeing how the big soft seven footers have turned out in the past. That is from Gobert's scouting report.CrushAlot wrote:FistOfOakley wrote:Who's scouting report is this from?nyk4ever wrote:i love the guys on here saying he isn't and won't be ready like they actually know that. i for one put my trust in actual scouts who have watched him play, as well as former nba players who have played with him and have good things to say about him.i hope we draft him, just so i can see what nixluva has to say after his comments on this thread.
Nobody knows... You just have to go off what you know... And I know I've seen this story before.. Way before dirk.. Way before Darko... The story of the soft 7fter... And it always ends badly...
He needs to bulk up his upper body, in order to be able to withstand the extra physicality at the NBA level He has a mild demeanor, sometimes he appears to play with a reduced gear, lacking much competitive fire ... At times, his lack of a great feel for the game becomes apparent as he fails to recognize plays before they develop or doesn't finish off plays with enough aggression ...
So is your mystery player someone coming from the college ranks… somebody who played in a state which usually votes Republican in Presidential elections??
I would take Towns, Okafor, Russel, KP, Winslow, Mudiay, Kaminsky, WCS. IN that order. They all bring a little something different but they all bring something that NY needs and they all have the potential to be solid NBA players.
Stevo718 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:If you boo you're ignorant. Stay classy and be shrewd. He's a good pick--don't listen to any naysayers son this one. Athletic 7-2 C with his skill come around NEVER. Take a hard look at Rudy Gobert for Utah. He was 7-2 215 for his Euro team at 20 and avg 8-5 Now he might be the best center in the nBA 2 years later. This is no chump--this is no Fred Weiss. This is an athletic Rik Smits an EXTREMELY hard piece to find.I'm sorry I just can't see it. He can shoot, he can move decent for his size... but I don't think he is gonna put on enough weight in the NBA and best case scenario a better shooting Bargnani with an okay post up game against smaller guys... but not worth the 4th pick. Definitely not a Dirk Nowitzki.
I question what you see as he is THE BEST ATHLETE at his size coming out of this draft. The guy is a freak athlete and you say he moves decent
He just doesn't shoot, he is a great shooter. So you have an freak athlete (with good footwork) that can put the ball on the floor and shoot it from deep. (I'm not sure about his game in close) Oh, and he shot blocker and defend.
The NBA has changed and tall thin players can still excel if they have skills. They don't need to be bulky and play down low - that is (mostly) a past way of playing for centers.
Should we draft him though, we will need a more traditional center in the paint (until he fills out.)
He is a top 5 to top 10 pick for sure.
earthmansurfer wrote:Stevo718 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:If you boo you're ignorant. Stay classy and be shrewd. He's a good pick--don't listen to any naysayers son this one. Athletic 7-2 C with his skill come around NEVER. Take a hard look at Rudy Gobert for Utah. He was 7-2 215 for his Euro team at 20 and avg 8-5 Now he might be the best center in the nBA 2 years later. This is no chump--this is no Fred Weiss. This is an athletic Rik Smits an EXTREMELY hard piece to find.I'm sorry I just can't see it. He can shoot, he can move decent for his size... but I don't think he is gonna put on enough weight in the NBA and best case scenario a better shooting Bargnani with an okay post up game against smaller guys... but not worth the 4th pick. Definitely not a Dirk Nowitzki.
I question what you see as he is THE BEST ATHLETE at his size coming out of this draft. The guy is a freak athlete and you say he moves decent
He just doesn't shoot, he is a great shooter. So you have an freak athlete (with good footwork) that can put the ball on the floor and shoot it from deep. (I'm not sure about his game in close) Oh, and he shot blocker and defend.
The NBA has changed and tall thin players can still excel if they have skills. They don't need to be bulky and play down low - that is (mostly) a past way of playing for centers.
Should we draft him though, we will need a more traditional center in the paint (until he fills out.)
He is a top 5 to top 10 pick for sure.
I have a problem with taking a player at 4 who won't contribute from day 1.
It is a high pick in a deep draft.
IMHO - whoever we pick at 4 needs to contribute day 1. If they don't, its a failure.
He's also not that skinny. Tay Prince was skinny. Pozingis is long. He's not weak.
The other thing is he did a private workout for the Knicks, and although he had cramps and wasnt able to finish the whole sequence, he did finish the athletic part, so if the Knicks take him they know exactly what kind of athlete he is.
fishmike wrote:Porzingis would be a nice piece moving forward. Anyone who thinks this is another euro stiff looking to collect NBA dollars hasnt done an ounce of research. He comes from a hoops family. He loves the game. He's a gym rat. You know what he said excited him about the NBA? The option to workout at anytime.I don't think anybody accused any euro players of being lazy or stiffs. The truth is most euro players(who are very talented) who are taken high don't end up working out. Im not saying Porzingis will be bad but IMO its more risky than some of the others like mudiay or winslow
He's also not that skinny. Tay Prince was skinny. Pozingis is long. He's not weak.The other thing is he did a private workout for the Knicks, and although he had cramps and wasnt able to finish the whole sequence, he did finish the athletic part, so if the Knicks take him they know exactly what kind of athlete he is.
WaltLongmire wrote:Not going…have never gone, but I would never boo any pick, even if I hated it. Might turn to a friend and say WTF, but why throw out hate at a player who has to walk up to the stage on the biggest night of his life, when he is not at fault for being picked where he is, while the folks who made the choice are sitting in a room somewhere not really caring what they hear.Always believe in giving any young player time to develop. Guys around here talk about rebuilding and developing young players, but many don't have the patience for it, and that is why this team has been so terrible over the years.
Really hoping that Russell somehow drops to us. I think he can energize the franchise. Never expected that there was even a chance he might be available, but now he's in the "you never know" category. Many say he's the perfect guard to run the triangle- it will be a steal if we get him.
Would be very happy with Porzingis or Kaminsky, and also happy with Winslow, and I believe one of these 3 will be taken on Thursday if Russell is gone.
Winslow is a competitor with a lot talent and even more pride and drive. Didn't like that foolish "branding" comment he made, but he can give you a lot of things to work with, and might become our Lebron neutralizer if we get him.
Kaminsky is the most underrated guy in the draft, but I think Phil likes him, and he's a guy who can play well in the Triangle and any other system out there. Continues to get better each year and he's smart.
Porzingis has more experience than almost any player in the draft, and the last two years he's played against and with grown men. Phil actually talked about this in his press conference, if anyone was actually able to hear the clip. If you are doing a true rebuild, he is the guy you take, but I've watched as much or more video of him than anyone, including the full games available, and if you think he can't contribute next year you are fooling yourself. He will get banged around, and needs added weight, but he has a much more polished game than many think, and he's a lot tougher than given credit for around here. I posted photos of some of the other thinner players who came into the league and became great, and he is not that different than they were at his age. Like OK4, his body has not yet matured, but its only a matter of time. I've seen him make some shots that few legit 7+ foot players have ever made with his fluency, and I've also seen a 7'1" kid who got beat at the foul line by a guard recover to block the shot.
Going on too much…here's part of an article about him a few days ago to close things out...
...After becoming fluent in English with a slight accent, after the experience of playing in Spain's ACB as the second-best league in the world and after Kyle Lowry was telling people at Impact a year ago he would not show up the next day unless Porzingis was on his team -- is that it is impossible to imagine an international prospect through the years more prepared for the NBA jump. Others have been stronger and more ready for the mosh pit life of the power forward who will have to rebound and defend inside no matter how good he is with the ball. Others have had the experience in the Olympics or world championships that provided scouting opportunities against the U.S. talent he will face three or four times a week in the future. But no one has the background of having left his family five years ago to play in Spain and the competition he got there.
http://www.nba.com/2015/news/features/sc...
Especially nice 2nd link there Walt. I'll make it easy for all to see. Unless Carl Landry is lying, Porzingis is a very special player. I take him for his word here, I don't think it is nepotism like. Really look at what Landry is saying. We have scouted him heavily and if this is true we are taking him at 3. He is too much of a talent (unless Russel or the like slides and even then I'd take who I think is going to be special.)
BUCKS BEAT Porzingis has big fan in LandryThey have already become household names to even the casual basketball fan.
Jahlil Okafor.
Karl-Anthony Towns.
D’Angelo Russell.
Each of the aforementioned individuals received much notoriety for their accomplishments as college players and are locks to be among the top players chosen in Thursday night’s NBA draft.
And then there’s Kristaps Porzingis. He too will be one of the first players to have his name announced to an international television audience by NBA commissioner Adam Silver.
Yet, unless you’re an NBA official or a hard-core draftnik, you probably aren’t going to know much about Porzingis, a 7-foot Latvian who has been plying his craft overseas.
Marcus Landry, the former University of Wisconsin standout who played in Spain last season, feels that is unfortunate.
“It sad nobody really knows much about this kid right now because he played in Spain,’’ Landry said. “I think this kid is amazing.’’
If anyone should know Porzingis’ skill-set and personality, it’s Landry. He and Porzingis were teammates two seasons ago with Cajasol Sevilla. Landry also played against Porzingis last season when the 6-7 Landry started for Caragaoda in Spain.
In Landry’s opinion, Porzingis is as talented as anyone in the draft.
“Honestly, I think Kristaps should be the No. 1 pick if you’re going to base it off potential,’’ Landry said. “I personally think he’s the best kid in the draft. And I’m not saying that because he’s a friend of mine.
“I know basketball. I’ve been in the NBA; I’ve been around NBA players. I’d tell you if he sucks. But he’s really good. If he goes beyond No. 2, that would be a mistake on some team’s part.’’
Landry, who played for the New York Knicks and Boston Celtics during the 2009-2010 season and has been playing mostly overseas since, was asked to compare Porzingis to a current NBA player.
It didn’t take him long to respond.
“That’s very hard to do,’’ Landry said. “To me, there’s no one in the NBA like him. No one. But, if I had to compare him to anybody based on his potential, I would say — maybe he’s not going to fill it up as much — it would be Kevin Durant. He’s very much KD like.
“I know that’s saying a lot. But Kristaps can shoot over guys, he can put the ball on the floor for a big guy, he can pass well. Things Kevin Durant can do.’’
That shouldn’t be construed as Landry believing Porzingis will be the second coming of Durant. But Landry is convinced Porzingis will become a household name in a few years.
“He’s easily an All-Star type player. Easily,’’ Landry said. “He has the potential to be a great player.’’
While Porzingis will most certainly be playing in the Association next season, Landry hopes to as well. After his stints with New York and Boston, he’s come close to making the rosters for the Sacramento Kings and Los Angeles Lakers in recent years.
Landry and his wife, Esueka, have been married nine years and have three children. They have traveled the world with stops in China, Venezuela, Puerto Rico and Spain.
Now, the 29-year-old Landry is hoping to find work much closer to home.
“I’m still pursuing playing in the NBA again,’’ said Landry, an excellent perimeter shooter who won the NBA D-League Three Point Shootout in 2013. “A couple of teams have shown interest in me and have talked to my agent (Keith Kreiter).
“But, to be honest with you, I would love to come back home and play for the Bucks. I love it here. I went to Vincent and I stayed home and played at Wisconsin. Playing for the Bucks ... that’s been a dream of mine. I think that would be huge playing for the Bucks and being able to help out even more in my community.
“We’ll see. If God says so, it’ll happen.’’