Knicks · Knicks frontrunners for Monroe, Afflalo per Wojnarowski (page 3)

crzymdups @ 6/29/2015 4:21 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I don't mind Afflalo... but $12M per for Afflalo is basically Melo service. sigh.

Is that the price??? That's about ten times what I'd offer him!

Wojo saying 3yr $36M-$38M

Again, we don't know who is leaking this info. Knowing Wojo - he's got ties to the Detroit front office and Andy Miller and some other agents. I'm guessing his reporting is agent driven at this point, so may not be entirely accurate. But he's right more often than a lot of other guys.

Bonn1997 @ 6/29/2015 4:22 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I don't mind Afflalo... but $12M per for Afflalo is basically Melo service. sigh.

Is that the price??? That's about ten times what I'd offer him!

Wojo saying 3yr $36M-$38M

Again, we don't know who is leaking this info. Knowing Wojo - he's got ties to the Detroit front office and Andy Miller and some other agents. I'm guessing his reporting is agent driven at this point, so may not be entirely accurate. But he's right more often than a lot of other guys.


Yeah, I see the source now. That would be so absurd. That's even worse than the Calderon contract
wargames @ 6/29/2015 4:25 PM

36 over 3 years....... idk about that

crzymdups @ 6/29/2015 4:28 PM
wargames wrote:

36 over 3 years....... idk about that

Shump's gonna get something like 4yr $40M.

I like Shump quite a bit... but he's nowhere near the offensive player Afflalo is and his defense is only occassionally better than Afflalo's.

Bonn1997 @ 6/29/2015 4:28 PM
wargames wrote:

36 over 3 years....... idk about that


And note that the average NBA player's PER is 15. Just about every metric I've seen would classify Afflalo as a below average NBA player.
Bonn1997 @ 6/29/2015 4:30 PM
crzymdups wrote:
wargames wrote:

36 over 3 years....... idk about that

Shump's gonna get something like 4yr $40M.

I like Shump quite a bit... but he's nowhere near the offensive player Afflalo is and his defense is only occassionally better than Afflalo's.

That would be a terrible gamble. He didn't play near that level just now in a contract year.

BigSm00th @ 6/29/2015 4:32 PM
Sounds like Afflalo's camp leaked this to drive up his price (or get something around $12M/yr). Classic case of playing the Knicks as the interested bidder.

I'm all for signing Monroe to a max (4 yrs/$60 M). but we'd have another $12M or so to plug numerous holes in the front court and on the perimeter. using all of that on a 30-year old SG would be insane.

knicks1248 @ 6/29/2015 4:33 PM
Finestrg wrote:Wow -- $12mm a year for Afflalo!?! No thanks. We could go get 2Gs just as talented for 500K. Why spend that much on this guy? Tell me.

next season, that will be the avg salary

crzymdups @ 6/29/2015 4:35 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Finestrg wrote:Wow -- $12mm a year for Afflalo!?! No thanks. We could go get 2Gs just as talented for 500K. Why spend that much on this guy? Tell me.

next season, that will be the avg salary

Exactly - the cap is doubling. The average player salary is the MLE right now and it's almost $6M per. Soon it will be $12M per.

Bonn1997 @ 6/29/2015 4:37 PM
crzymdups wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Finestrg wrote:Wow -- $12mm a year for Afflalo!?! No thanks. We could go get 2Gs just as talented for 500K. Why spend that much on this guy? Tell me.

next season, that will be the avg salary

Exactly - the cap is doubling. The average player salary is the MLE right now and it's almost $6M per. Soon it will be $12M per.

1248 keeps saying next season. The cap is only going up by about 3 mil this next season. I think he (and you) mean three years from now.

crzymdups @ 6/29/2015 4:40 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Finestrg wrote:Wow -- $12mm a year for Afflalo!?! No thanks. We could go get 2Gs just as talented for 500K. Why spend that much on this guy? Tell me.

next season, that will be the avg salary

Exactly - the cap is doubling. The average player salary is the MLE right now and it's almost $6M per. Soon it will be $12M per.

1248 keeps saying next season. The cap is only going up by about 3 mil this next season. I think he (and you) mean three years from now.

Next season the league has proposed the cap going up to $86M in 2016 and like $108M in 2017 (also 2017 is potentially a lockout year, yay). The player's association is still protesting that, I believe, because the league is trying to graduate the cap slowly as opposed to giving the players the full 50% of league revenue. If the league were actually giving 50% of revenue the cap would by $108M or something NEXT summer (meaning for the 2016-2017 season, the first year the league gets its TV money from the new deal). I'm pretty sure the NBPA is still trying to get this.

Bonn1997 @ 6/29/2015 4:42 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Finestrg wrote:Wow -- $12mm a year for Afflalo!?! No thanks. We could go get 2Gs just as talented for 500K. Why spend that much on this guy? Tell me.

next season, that will be the avg salary

Exactly - the cap is doubling. The average player salary is the MLE right now and it's almost $6M per. Soon it will be $12M per.

1248 keeps saying next season. The cap is only going up by about 3 mil this next season. I think he (and you) mean three years from now.

Next season the league has proposed the cap going up to $86M in 2016 and like $108M in 2017 (also 2017 is potentially a lockout year, yay). The player's association is still protesting that, I believe, because the league is trying to graduate the cap slowly as opposed to giving the players the full 50% of league revenue. If the league were actually giving 50% of revenue the cap would by $108M or something NEXT summer (meaning for the 2016-2017 season, the first year the league gets its TV money from the new deal). I'm pretty sure the NBPA is still trying to get this.


When you say next season, you mean the one after the upcoming season, right? Next season as in 2016-17? Then 108 mil is 3 years from now (2017-18)
In other words, if Afflalo got a 3 year deal, only 1 year would overlap with the 108 mil cap explosion.
crzymdups @ 6/29/2015 4:46 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Finestrg wrote:Wow -- $12mm a year for Afflalo!?! No thanks. We could go get 2Gs just as talented for 500K. Why spend that much on this guy? Tell me.

next season, that will be the avg salary

Exactly - the cap is doubling. The average player salary is the MLE right now and it's almost $6M per. Soon it will be $12M per.

1248 keeps saying next season. The cap is only going up by about 3 mil this next season. I think he (and you) mean three years from now.

Next season the league has proposed the cap going up to $86M in 2016 and like $108M in 2017 (also 2017 is potentially a lockout year, yay). The player's association is still protesting that, I believe, because the league is trying to graduate the cap slowly as opposed to giving the players the full 50% of league revenue. If the league were actually giving 50% of revenue the cap would by $108M or something NEXT summer (meaning for the 2016-2017 season, the first year the league gets its TV money from the new deal). I'm pretty sure the NBPA is still trying to get this.


When you say next season, you mean the one after the upcoming season, right? Next season as in 2016-17? Then 108 mil is 3 years from now (2017-18)

right:

but again, I'm pretty sure the NBPA is arguing that the $108M should go into effect in 2016-17, as opposed to 2017-18, because 2016-17 is when the TV money will bump the actual league revenue.

nixluva @ 6/29/2015 4:54 PM
Afflalo had a bad year with 2 trades and an injury thrown in. I don't think he'll continue to play at that low level. The season before last he had a TS% of 57.4 scored 18.8 ppg last year he had a down year after the trade ended up with a TS% of 53.3 and 13.3 ppg. I think Afflalo can bounce back and play closer to his last season in Orl. That's a much better player than it seems based on last year.
Bonn1997 @ 6/29/2015 4:54 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Finestrg wrote:Wow -- $12mm a year for Afflalo!?! No thanks. We could go get 2Gs just as talented for 500K. Why spend that much on this guy? Tell me.

next season, that will be the avg salary

Exactly - the cap is doubling. The average player salary is the MLE right now and it's almost $6M per. Soon it will be $12M per.

1248 keeps saying next season. The cap is only going up by about 3 mil this next season. I think he (and you) mean three years from now.

Next season the league has proposed the cap going up to $86M in 2016 and like $108M in 2017 (also 2017 is potentially a lockout year, yay). The player's association is still protesting that, I believe, because the league is trying to graduate the cap slowly as opposed to giving the players the full 50% of league revenue. If the league were actually giving 50% of revenue the cap would by $108M or something NEXT summer (meaning for the 2016-2017 season, the first year the league gets its TV money from the new deal). I'm pretty sure the NBPA is still trying to get this.


When you say next season, you mean the one after the upcoming season, right? Next season as in 2016-17? Then 108 mil is 3 years from now (2017-18)

right:

but again, I'm pretty sure the NBPA is arguing that the $108M should go into effect in 2016-17, as opposed to 2017-18, because 2016-17 is when the TV money will bump the actual league revenue.


Well NBPA doesn't have much of a shot with that IMO.
So basically only the final year of the proposed 3 year 36 mil deal for Afflalo would coincide with that 108 mil explosion.
Bonn1997 @ 6/29/2015 4:56 PM
nixluva wrote:Afflalo had a bad year with 2 trades and an injury thrown in. I don't think he'll continue to play at that low level. The season before last he had a TS% of 57.4 scored 18.8 ppg last year he had a down year after the trade ended up with a TS% of 53.3 and 13.3 ppg. I think Afflalo can bounce back and play closer to his last season in Orl. That's a much better player than it seems based on last year.

You stopped looking at total win shares and win shares per 48? Those two stats indicate that for his whole career he's been worth a lot less than the average NBA player - maybe somewhere around 3 or 4 mil per.
yellowboy90 @ 6/29/2015 4:57 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Finestrg wrote:Wow -- $12mm a year for Afflalo!?! No thanks. We could go get 2Gs just as talented for 500K. Why spend that much on this guy? Tell me.

next season, that will be the avg salary

Exactly - the cap is doubling. The average player salary is the MLE right now and it's almost $6M per. Soon it will be $12M per.

1248 keeps saying next season. The cap is only going up by about 3 mil this next season. I think he (and you) mean three years from now.

Next season the league has proposed the cap going up to $86M in 2016 and like $108M in 2017 (also 2017 is potentially a lockout year, yay). The player's association is still protesting that, I believe, because the league is trying to graduate the cap slowly as opposed to giving the players the full 50% of league revenue. If the league were actually giving 50% of revenue the cap would by $108M or something NEXT summer (meaning for the 2016-2017 season, the first year the league gets its TV money from the new deal). I'm pretty sure the NBPA is still trying to get this.


When you say next season, you mean the one after the upcoming season, right? Next season as in 2016-17? Then 108 mil is 3 years from now (2017-18)
In other words, if Afflalo got a 3 year deal, only 1 year would overlap with the 108 mil cap explosion.

Here is a way to help people look at based on these cap projections.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-am...


Salary $66.7m $87m $97m
$5m 7.5% 5.7% 5.2%
$7m 10.5% 8.0% 7.2%
$9m 13.5% 10.3% 12.4%
$12m 18.0% 13.8% 12.4%
$14m 21.0% 16.1% 14.4%
$16m 24.0% 18.4% 16.5%
$18m 27.0% 20.7% 18.6%
$20m 30.0% 23.0% 20.6%

technomaster @ 6/29/2015 4:59 PM
Hahaha. Kind of reminds me of baseball player salaries. The going rate for a mid-30s has-been veteran outfielder who was slightly above average is about $15m per. (See Mets' Cuddyer & Granderson)

The NBA has going rate for has-been SG's: MLE. No way is he getting $12m+. Maybe 2-3 years ago when his star was rising. Now... not so much.

yellowboy90 @ 6/29/2015 5:00 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
nixluva wrote:Afflalo had a bad year with 2 trades and an injury thrown in. I don't think he'll continue to play at that low level. The season before last he had a TS% of 57.4 scored 18.8 ppg last year he had a down year after the trade ended up with a TS% of 53.3 and 13.3 ppg. I think Afflalo can bounce back and play closer to his last season in Orl. That's a much better player than it seems based on last year.

You stopped looking at total win shares and win shares per 48? Those two stats indicate that for his whole career he's been worth a lot less than the average NBA player - maybe somewhere around 3 or 4 mil per.

totally agree. I'd rather give that money to Matthwes coming off an injury than Afflalo. The real target should be D.Green but that would be a tough pull.

Bonn1997 @ 6/29/2015 5:02 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nixluva wrote:Afflalo had a bad year with 2 trades and an injury thrown in. I don't think he'll continue to play at that low level. The season before last he had a TS% of 57.4 scored 18.8 ppg last year he had a down year after the trade ended up with a TS% of 53.3 and 13.3 ppg. I think Afflalo can bounce back and play closer to his last season in Orl. That's a much better player than it seems based on last year.

You stopped looking at total win shares and win shares per 48? Those two stats indicate that for his whole career he's been worth a lot less than the average NBA player - maybe somewhere around 3 or 4 mil per.

totally agree. I'd rather give that money to Matthwes coming off an injury than Afflalo. The real target should be D.Green but that would be a tough pull.


Which D Green?
crzymdups @ 6/29/2015 5:07 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nixluva wrote:Afflalo had a bad year with 2 trades and an injury thrown in. I don't think he'll continue to play at that low level. The season before last he had a TS% of 57.4 scored 18.8 ppg last year he had a down year after the trade ended up with a TS% of 53.3 and 13.3 ppg. I think Afflalo can bounce back and play closer to his last season in Orl. That's a much better player than it seems based on last year.

You stopped looking at total win shares and win shares per 48? Those two stats indicate that for his whole career he's been worth a lot less than the average NBA player - maybe somewhere around 3 or 4 mil per.

totally agree. I'd rather give that money to Matthwes coming off an injury than Afflalo. The real target should be D.Green but that would be a tough pull.


Which D Green?

I would prefer Danny Green as well, but he is also looking for $12M and has a ton more suitors. He would be a coup. But I think Afflalo is more realistic. He also may be a better fit for the Triangle. And again, I think we are going to need to overpay to get guys here.

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