I scoured the internet and find as many direct quotes from relevant basketball people on our boy Kristaps Porzingis as possible. I wanted direct quotes so there was no writer bias/interpretation in play, and pre-draft timeframe so no one was using his selection by the Knicks as a reason to change their answer more positively/negatively after the fact. Just actual words from actual people before anyone actually knew who would draft him. Here's what I found, hope you enjoy it:
Scott Roth, KP's former head coach at Sevilla: "He handled himself really well. He's very mature for his age. He has a great family and a base around him. He's a great, humble kid who's a worker. He's very competitive. He has a lot of intensity and competitive fight in him. That's the most critical component to his success in my opinion."
Roth: "He's going to make open shots. You're going to have to guard him from 15 feet to the 3-point line. His stroke is great. I had Dirk as a rookie. Dirk had more range. But the fluidity and grace of the shot is Dirk-like. He's athletic enough to run the floor. He's deceivingly good as a weak side shot blocker. He's actually very good down in the post. He just doesn't have the strength to maintain his position in the paint. And maybe most importantly, no one will out work him."
NBA GM: "I was watching him warm up and had flashbacks to when I saw Pau Gasol take the floor for the first time in Spain, only this kid is much more athletic than Gasol and plays with that same fluidity. I've been asking my team since then: Are you sure he's not the No. 1 guy? Are these guys in college really better than him?"
Long-time NBA scout: "[Saying they're more] established has nothing to do with [drafting the top Americans over KP]. That's code for, 'I won't get fired if I draft Okafor and he turns into Greg Oden. But I will get fired if Porzingis is the next Darko.'"
Roth:"Most of the international guys that busted didn't love the game. They failed because of a lack of passion and work ethic. It was convenient for them to come over and make a lot of money. Zinger's more in the Dirk mode, in that you can't get him out of the gym. He's also more in the Gasol mode, because he's so skilled. I hate to throw Dirk's name out there so flippantly. He's been so great. I don't think anyone thought when we drafted him he'd be this great. Zinger has some characteristics of Pau. Some of Dirk. But what he becomes? I can't tell you. But I don't think he'll be a bust. At worst he's a really good player. At best, a potential all-star. He's just too skilled, and too competitive to fail."
Long-time NBA GM: "Throw a Kentucky or a Duke jersey on him and you're in a heated debate about who is No. 1 in this draft. He has Dirk's shooting ability and moves and Kirilenko's athleticism. Think about it. What if Dirk had been a better athlete and defender? What if Kirilenko was four or five inches taller and could shoot it? That doesn't come along in the draft every year. I'm not sure it's ever come along in the draft."
NBA GM who had previously been critical of KP's weight/body: "His upper body needs a lot of work, but actually his lower body is pretty good. And for a player like him, that's the half of the body that matters defensively. It could get better, but it's not bad like I thought it was. In a couple of years, it's not going to be an issue."
Roth: "I had Gasol as a rookie in Memphis. They have the same body structure. It's a work in progress. It's not going to be totally fixed in six months. He's going to be 22 or 23 when he gets 20 or 30 pounds. But once his body catches up, he's going to be a monster."
Roth: "I've been around a lot of Europeans; things like passion or the ability for him to make the transition, it's not an issue with him. You put him in competitive situations he'll play as hard as anyone. He got beat up a lot. His competitive fire is as high as anyone. You just don't see 7-1 guys who love to play like he does. You have to kick him out of the gym. He knows the NBA. It's a passion and love for him and that will vault him into being a great player in the NBA."
NBA GM on why KP can't go first overall: "I just think Towns is the best player in the draft. I'm not sure Minnesota knows that yet, but I think they will be the end of the process. And if they don't, it's because Flip [Saunders] fell in love with Okafor."
Long-time international scout: "He's my favorite player in this draft. I keep telling my staff: This one is not like other international players. He's the real deal. He's special in all the ways a player can be special. He just needs to get stronger. That's it. He's going to be a big-time pro."
Western Conference executive: “The kid can flat-out shoot. Now he’s really, really thin, but he’s athletic. A 7-footer who can step out and hit 3s is something.”
Bobby Marks, former BKN Asst. GM: “I’d take Porzingis at four. Then I’m talking to the fans and the media about how the team is going to be built going forward. I’d make sure the pressure on Porzingis is not too high, and I think that he’s a piece of the puzzle.”
Fran Fraschilla: “If you’re picking four, you’re essentially … gambling. I don’t know how you can come up with a better gamble than a guy that’s 7-feet-1 on his way to 7-2, who’s athletic, graceful, shoots the ball from 3, blocks shots and is 19 years old. I get the idea of the buzz factor, but after Okafor, Towns and Russell are gone, you might as well gamble and draft a kid who potentially could be along the lines of Dirk Nowitzki, (Pau) Gasol, (Andrei) Kirilenko. He’s a graceful player. His English is great. He’s a basketball junkie.”
Gregg Polinsky, BKN Dir. of Player Personnel: “He’s got a chance to be very good. The body is not there yet; he’s very thin. Everyone talks about how he shoots the basketball, but what separates him is he’s really competitive. He’s so skinny yet he’s willing to take a pounding. Most guys built like that are not. He has that special quality mentally to go along with a skill that’s valued in our league.”
Chris Ekstrand, NBA consultant: “You’re talking about a league that values speed and shooting ability. You don’t see Charles Oakley and Dale Davis and Otis Thorpe anymore, so he’s not going to have to play those types. It’s made for a stretch-4, guys who are tall and can shoot away from the basket. That’s what Porzingis does.”
Larry Sanders, former Pistons trainer, current Sevilla trainer: "When you grow (as fast Kris has), your body has a whole new neural field, basically. Your body doesn't really know where it is in space, so it's really hard to take contact or deliver contact when your body doesn't really know where you are. So for him, we had to get him used to his body before we could work on getting him stronger. Any kind of excess weight is just not functional. You try to make the body as efficient a machine as possible."
Sanders: "If you notice, he jumps really well off of both his right and left legs independently. That's not by accident. His core is unbelievable. At the beginning of the season, I could get leverage on him and all of that. But toward the end of the season, he learned how to absorb contact and not only hold his ground, but also hold his ground to where he could change direction."
Sanders: "When I was with the Pistons, we were doing pre-draft workouts and looking into John Henson. With him, his ratio of shoulder-to-hip is smaller than his hips. He didn't have much room to grow. With Kris, it's opposite. He has track legs and has a built lower body to go with broader shoulders."
Eastern Conference GM: “I think there is a strong chance he lands in the top four picks. The Lakers, Knicks and 76ers are all possible options. He has the length and athleticism of Andrei Kirilenko and stroke and footwork like Dirk Nowitzki. He will be the best prospect in this draft while also having the best upside.”
A different Eastern Conference GM: “He’s really good and I think he should be in the conversation at No. 2."
NBA GM: "He could go two. He's that good. Nobody says anything bad about him."
NBA Head of Basketball Operations: "I think he's a lock for the top five and I wouldn't be surprised to see him go as high as top three. He's good. We all like to do our comparables. He's like Dirk Nowitzki or Pau Gasol...I'd take him ahead of (Jahlil) Okafor."
A former NBA Executive of the Year: “If the draft was one year from now, I think Porzingis goes No. 1. He’s just not fully formed yet and that’s getting in the way of people’s decisions. But one more year, and I think it would be him and then [Karl-Anthony Towns, Russell and Okafor].”
NBA GM: “If Karl Towns doesn’t turn out, you could survive that. If Porzingis is a bust, you’re probably getting canned.”
nixluva@ 6/30/2015 11:48 AM
WOW! Thanks for posting this Martin. I wish I had known as much about him going into the draft. You could see his talent but many of us worried about his body and his actual toughness. I wanted WCS because I thought we needed someone who was more ready to contribute and because of his athletic ability, size and of course his defense. It looks like we could get all of that with KP and a great offensive player once he fully develops. That is clearly better than WCS if he reaches his full potential. I'll be ecstatic to be wrong on this one. KP has really grown on me after watching more and more of his game video.
It seems like Phil and his team did the right thing, which is very gratifying. Then when you add on top of that Jerian and Willy, it was a great draft.
Cartman718@ 6/30/2015 11:53 AM
•Long-time NBA GM: "Throw a Kentucky or a Duke jersey on him and you're in a heated debate about who is No. 1 in this draft. He has Dirk's shooting ability and moves and Kirilenko's athleticism. Think about it. What if Dirk had been a better athlete and defender? What if Kirilenko was four or five inches taller and could shoot it? That doesn't come along in the draft every year. I'm not sure it's ever come along in the draft."
this is always good...since it's not coming from Phil.
•Western Conference executive: “The kid can flat-out shoot. Now he’s really, really thin, but he’s athletic. A 7-footer who can step out and hit 3s is something.”
can you not see hubie brown saying this during a game?
technomaster@ 6/30/2015 12:05 PM
The thing to keep an eye on about him is his assist average. Last year, in 21.4mpg, he averaged only .5 assists/gm. Based on game footage, he seems to move w/o the ball and has a sense of where his teammates are, but the total is pretty low.
Our 2nd round pick & KP's teammate Hernangomez averaged 19.7mpg and bested him with .6apg.
I took a look at the team's stats, and the highest assist guy averaged 3.7 apg (Ben Woodside, american player who played on North Dakota State from 2005-2009), so figure low scoring, lots of ball movement so that no single player dominated the assists.
Bonn1997@ 6/30/2015 12:07 PM
technomaster wrote:The thing to keep an eye on about him is his assist average. Last year, in 21.4mpg, he averaged only .5 assists/gm. Based on game footage, he seems to move w/o the ball and has a sense of where his teammates are, but the total is pretty low.
Our 2nd round pick & KP's teammate Hernangomez averaged 19.7mpg and bested him with .6apg.
I took a look at the team's stats, and the highest assist guy averaged 3.7 apg (Ben Woodside, american player who played on North Dakota State from 2005-2009), so figure low scoring, lots of ball movement so that no single player dominated the assists.
I think they count assists more conservatively in Euro leagues.
Cartman718@ 6/30/2015 12:09 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
technomaster wrote:The thing to keep an eye on about him is his assist average. Last year, in 21.4mpg, he averaged only .5 assists/gm. Based on game footage, he seems to move w/o the ball and has a sense of where his teammates are, but the total is pretty low.
Our 2nd round pick & KP's teammate Hernangomez averaged 19.7mpg and bested him with .6apg.
I took a look at the team's stats, and the highest assist guy averaged 3.7 apg (Ben Woodside, american player who played on North Dakota State from 2005-2009), so figure low scoring, lots of ball movement so that no single player dominated the assists.
I think they count assists more conservatively in Euro leagues.
and also does it mean that he stays out of the paint offensively or always looking to finish like melo? melo's assists in the paint are deplorable...is he the same type of mentality player?
earthmansurfer@ 6/30/2015 12:13 PM
Nice thread, noticed that one there. Great quotes.
Can someone start one for Briggs?
"God damnit, another thread."
knicks1248@ 6/30/2015 12:15 PM
It just goes to show you what kind of fans attend the draft, the booed him relentlessly because they had little to no info on him, other than whats been said in the last 10 days, every on on the planet (except most fans) had this guy going no lower than 4.
nixluva@ 6/30/2015 12:18 PM
KP should be put in better situations in this offense in terms of being a passer. That's the one thing about the Triangle which helps bigs be more involved. Bigs touch the ball a lot and they have to make basic passes. There are lots of opps for big to big passes in this offense. I'm not really concerned with his passing based on his Euro stats.
Finestrg@ 6/30/2015 12:20 PM
If you're a Knick fan and don't get pumped up after reading that, there's something wrong with you! Thanks for compiling and sharing.
knicks1248@ 6/30/2015 12:23 PM
nixluva wrote:KP should be put in better situations in this offense in terms of being a passer. That's the one thing about the Triangle which helps bigs be more involved. Bigs touch the ball a lot and they have to make basic passes. There are lots of opps for big to big passes in this offense. I'm not really concerned with his passing based on his Euro stats.
so i watched the game on NBATV last night Bulls/Jazz forgot what yr it was, but brian williams was the center, and it's increasingly difficult to run this triangle without and official post player. Not sure KP is that kind of player, i see him more like pipen
nixluva@ 6/30/2015 12:37 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:KP should be put in better situations in this offense in terms of being a passer. That's the one thing about the Triangle which helps bigs be more involved. Bigs touch the ball a lot and they have to make basic passes. There are lots of opps for big to big passes in this offense. I'm not really concerned with his passing based on his Euro stats.
so i watched the game on NBATV last night Bulls/Jazz forgot what yr it was, but brian williams was the center, and it's increasingly difficult to run this triangle without and official post player. Not sure KP is that kind of player, i see him more like pipen
KP is a stretch 4 right now and will likely be more like Dirk and then eventually like Pau as he matures. He's not going to be stuck in the low post like Shaq. He will play more like Bargs did in this offense. He'll be scoring from all over the place. Midrange, Low Post, 3pt range. It's not hard to figure out what KP will be doing.
fishmike@ 6/30/2015 12:48 PM
this pic says so much about Phil's regime here. Think this is a CAA pick? Think this is the move from a GM who's here to collect a couple checks and bolt next year?
All I care about is keeping this kid healthy and on the floor. Get him out there for 20 mpg with a simplied scoring role. He can score and shoot it.. just dont rush him physically. Speed and athleticism before strength.
Hard not to like everything you read about his kid.
fishmike@ 6/30/2015 12:49 PM
everything was fine in the world until the Bargs highlights... who invited that guy to the party?
RonRon@ 6/30/2015 12:52 PM
It would be interesting if KP plays some SF with his mobility/length and shooting ability this year He could be the HELP DEFENDER or used as lock down defender vs some match ups/2nd units as well to help REBOUND/CHEAT and still be able to recover/contest shots while cheating at times...
Nalod@ 6/30/2015 12:57 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:KP should be put in better situations in this offense in terms of being a passer. That's the one thing about the Triangle which helps bigs be more involved. Bigs touch the ball a lot and they have to make basic passes. There are lots of opps for big to big passes in this offense. I'm not really concerned with his passing based on his Euro stats.
so i watched the game on NBATV last night Bulls/Jazz forgot what yr it was, but brian williams was the center, and it's increasingly difficult to run this triangle without and official post player. Not sure KP is that kind of player, i see him more like pipen
Look at what Bynum and Pau did for better reference. Imagine this kid in the high post. At 7-2 he'll shot right over you. Come out and get him and he has the handle to move or he'll get fouled. Bargs has this ability.
In time he'll be able to play the low post and be the monster. Look at Kukoc
Nalod@ 6/30/2015 1:03 PM
fishmike wrote:everything was fine in the world until the Bargs highlights... who invited that guy to the party?
To show that when healthy the guy can play. and, to see what a white euro looks like when he drops 25 pts and if so, anything is possible!!!!
franco12@ 6/30/2015 1:21 PM
Since we're going with Quotes about KP, we need to round out the view of him, and include our very own, BRIGGS:
Porzingis already hurt
Will most likely not play in SL.
This is concerning for a few reasons and I dont have to state the obvious.
#1 is they may still trade him
#2 like any other player who doesnt play the SL--the injury could be much worse than what is being let on.
The Brilliant, but brittle career of Porgingis - not even able to make it to summer league after being drafted! Oh MY!
nixluva@ 6/30/2015 1:22 PM
It's not about Bargs specifically but rather the role he was playing in the offense. KP can do all of the things we saw Bargs doing and more. Bargs isn't a player stuck in the low post. He moves around and can be effective from anywhere on the floor. KP will likely do the same thing. He'll move around, catch and shoot, High Post, PnR, flash to the basket. He should be able to do a lot even in his rookie year just by being mobile and using his jumper and scoring at the basket on cuts.
martin@ 6/30/2015 1:23 PM
nixluva wrote:It's not about Bargs specifically but rather the role he was playing in the offense. KP can do all of the things we saw Bargs doing and more. Bargs isn't a player stuck in the low post. He moves around and can be effective from anywhere on the floor. KP will likely do the same thing. He'll move around, catch and shoot, High Post, PnR, flash to the basket. He should be able to do a lot even in his rookie year just by being mobile and using his jumper and scoring at the basket on cuts.
yeah but anything Bargs just hurts our eyes
nixluva@ 6/30/2015 1:41 PM
martin wrote:
nixluva wrote:It's not about Bargs specifically but rather the role he was playing in the offense. KP can do all of the things we saw Bargs doing and more. Bargs isn't a player stuck in the low post. He moves around and can be effective from anywhere on the floor. KP will likely do the same thing. He'll move around, catch and shoot, High Post, PnR, flash to the basket. He should be able to do a lot even in his rookie year just by being mobile and using his jumper and scoring at the basket on cuts.
yeah but anything Bargs just hurts our eyes
I know My hope is that people will just look at the areas of the floor and the plays and imagine KP in those same spots. It's funny how reactive people are to Bargs. IMO if he can score 25 on 2 occasions in this offense it portends well for KP in this offense in the same spots. His being skinny won't effect his ability to be productive in the relatively non physical role Bargs had. Whenever I read people trying to figure out how KP will be used, I have to say it's not a mystery cuz we already know what his role will be. In the Triangle roles are pretty defined. Bargs, the versatile bigman role opposite a low post big is pretty clear. Down the line KP can post more like Pau. For now I think he'll play more like Bargs and face up more.
I wish I had known as much about him going into the draft. You could see his talent but many of us worried about his body and his actual toughness. I wanted WCS because I thought we needed someone who was more ready to contribute and because of his athletic ability, size and of course his defense. It looks like we could get all of that with KP and a great offensive player once he fully develops. That is clearly better than WCS if he reaches his full potential. I'll be ecstatic to be wrong on this one. KP has really grown on me after watching more and more of his game video.
