StarksEwing1 wrote:Vmart wrote:The other teams can offer the same as the Knicks the real question is do they really want to be here. If you guys were FAs and other teams can offer you the same money would you want NY. I think a lot of you would say no. They don't want to deal with the headaches that come with NY. The media is unforgiving here a lot of these guys don't really want any part of it.
exactly why we need to continue build through the draft. Porzingis can develop without anymore intense pressure. Phil has to find a way to get a first rounder we lost in the terrible bargs trade
I think Phil has picked up on that and is targeting more Euro players that might be the way to go for this organization.
knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Knicks arent very appealing right now even though we try to be optimistic. Maybe if phil was coaching it would be easier. It doesnt sound like many of them are jumping at the chance to play with melo either. Obviously porzingis needs time to develop. Basically cap space is our only negotiating tool but other teams also have space and better situations
thats why the tanking made zero sense, the hiring of fisher made zero sense..
WHAT? You do realize that we already could have the foundation of a new team because of the draft right? That draft was the best thing to happen to this franchise. If you strike out in FA you can still have a future. I just don't understand this kind of thinking at all.
A future, dude no one wants to play for a losing team, your great picks will bounce the first minute they can.
You don't know that. This is just self hating Knick fan trash. I see no rationale for this kind of talk.
Vmart wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Vmart wrote:The other teams can offer the same as the Knicks the real question is do they really want to be here. If you guys were FAs and other teams can offer you the same money would you want NY. I think a lot of you would say no. They don't want to deal with the headaches that come with NY. The media is unforgiving here a lot of these guys don't really want any part of it.
exactly why we need to continue build through the draft. Porzingis can develop without anymore intense pressure. Phil has to find a way to get a first rounder we lost in the terrible bargs trade
I think Phil has picked up on that and is targeting more Euro players that might be the way to go for this organization.
and that probably is his best (and maybe only) move
Phil is going after guys we just got rid of
wayne ellington,
lin
brewer
sad
knicks1248 wrote:martin wrote:mreinman wrote:when this is all over we can go back to trade rape dreaming ... no can take that away from us 
dude, could you pick a different word than rape? You seem to use it a lot
well he's not exactly using it in a derogatory term, whenever your force to do something you really didnt want to do, we call it rape right?
Like buying a $50 pair of shoes for a $100, you were rape, completely taking advantage of, suckered, hood winked, ect
I work with survivors of rape, I don't like the casual use of the word on these forums, come on folks there are plenty of other words you can use
nixluva wrote:knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Knicks arent very appealing right now even though we try to be optimistic. Maybe if phil was coaching it would be easier. It doesnt sound like many of them are jumping at the chance to play with melo either. Obviously porzingis needs time to develop. Basically cap space is our only negotiating tool but other teams also have space and better situations
thats why the tanking made zero sense, the hiring of fisher made zero sense..
WHAT? You do realize that we already could have the foundation of a new team because of the draft right? That draft was the best thing to happen to this franchise. If you strike out in FA you can still have a future. I just don't understand this kind of thinking at all.
A future, dude no one wants to play for a losing team, your great picks will bounce the first minute they can.
You don't know that. This is just self hating Knick fan trash. I see no rationale for this kind of talk.
you can only be so optimistic until reality sets in, that when it's the hardest. I'm being very realistic, you can count on one hand the amount of players in this league thats still playing with the team that drafted them..
You know better Nix
smackeddog wrote:knicks1248 wrote:martin wrote:mreinman wrote:when this is all over we can go back to trade rape dreaming ... no can take that away from us
dude, could you pick a different word than rape? You seem to use it a lot
well he's not exactly using it in a derogatory term, whenever your force to do something you really didnt want to do, we call it rape right?
Like buying a $50 pair of shoes for a $100, you were rape, completely taking advantage of, suckered, hood winked, ect
I work with survivors of rape, I don't like the casual use of the word on these forums, come on folks there are plenty of other words you can use
fair enough smack
looking for a better term to use ... whaddya got?
crzymdups wrote:mreinman wrote:smackeddog wrote:knicks1248 wrote:martin wrote:mreinman wrote:when this is all over we can go back to trade rape dreaming ... no can take that away from us
dude, could you pick a different word than rape? You seem to use it a lot
well he's not exactly using it in a derogatory term, whenever your force to do something you really didnt want to do, we call it rape right?
Like buying a $50 pair of shoes for a $100, you were rape, completely taking advantage of, suckered, hood winked, ect
I work with survivors of rape, I don't like the casual use of the word on these forums, come on folks there are plenty of other words you can use
fair enough smack
looking for a better term to use ... whaddya got?
Dolan'd
can you use it in a sentence?
I propose that we trade Calderon for Jimmy Butler and a first rounder. The bulls really need a PG.
nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Knicks arent very appealing right now even though we try to be optimistic. Maybe if phil was coaching it would be easier. It doesnt sound like many of them are jumping at the chance to play with melo either. Obviously porzingis needs time to develop. Basically cap space is our only negotiating tool but other teams also have space and better situations
thats why the tanking made zero sense, the hiring of fisher made zero sense..
WHAT? You do realize that we already could have the foundation of a new team because of the draft right? That draft was the best thing to happen to this franchise. If you strike out in FA you can still have a future. I just don't understand this kind of thinking at all.
nix i like you but you gotta stop trying to convert people to think exactly like you. Everyone has a right to different opinions and outlooks. Knicks1248 is a passionate fan and his points are valid
Yeah and I gave my opinion. Why are you so concerned with my posting? You're turning into a stalker!!! What did I say that was incorrect? If KP and Jerian turn out to be really good players that was a great thing for this team. So why would we not be happy about this draft? Regardless of FA this team has some young talent with great upside. That part of this process is just fine. I don't care what kind of crazy point you could come up with having top young talent is a good thing. How do you refute that?
you seem to twist words around. I stated many times having young talent and drafting is something i LOVE to do. I also stated many tines i want jordan or aldrige badly However im just trying to be fair about the possibility of getting those type of free agents to come here. You act like i want the knicks to fail. I want the knicks to win so fucking badly but i try to keep it real as well
smackeddog wrote:knicks1248 wrote:martin wrote:mreinman wrote:when this is all over we can go back to trade rape dreaming ... no can take that away from us
dude, could you pick a different word than rape? You seem to use it a lot
well he's not exactly using it in a derogatory term, whenever your force to do something you really didnt want to do, we call it rape right?
Like buying a $50 pair of shoes for a $100, you were rape, completely taking advantage of, suckered, hood winked, ect
I work with survivors of rape, I don't like the casual use of the word on these forums, come on folks there are plenty of other words you can use
im sure he didnt mean it in a derogitory way but i agree just hearing or seeing that word is upsetting. By the way i think its terrific you work with survivors that must be a tough process to go through
He hasn't even had chance to pitch to most of these guys- Carroll agreed instantly to the Raptors
StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Knicks arent very appealing right now even though we try to be optimistic. Maybe if phil was coaching it would be easier. It doesnt sound like many of them are jumping at the chance to play with melo either. Obviously porzingis needs time to develop. Basically cap space is our only negotiating tool but other teams also have space and better situations
thats why the tanking made zero sense, the hiring of fisher made zero sense..
WHAT? You do realize that we already could have the foundation of a new team because of the draft right? That draft was the best thing to happen to this franchise. If you strike out in FA you can still have a future. I just don't understand this kind of thinking at all.
nix i like you but you gotta stop trying to convert people to think exactly like you. Everyone has a right to different opinions and outlooks. Knicks1248 is a passionate fan and his points are valid
Yeah and I gave my opinion. Why are you so concerned with my posting? You're turning into a stalker!!! What did I say that was incorrect? If KP and Jerian turn out to be really good players that was a great thing for this team. So why would we not be happy about this draft? Regardless of FA this team has some young talent with great upside. That part of this process is just fine. I don't care what kind of crazy point you could come up with having top young talent is a good thing. How do you refute that?
you seem to twist words around. I stated many times having young talent and drafting is something i LOVE to do. I also stated many tines i want jordan or aldrige badly However im just trying to be fair about the possibility of getting those type of free agents to come here. You act like i want the knicks to fail. I want the knicks to win so fucking badly but i try to keep it real as well
Look you interjected yourself into the situation and your statement is above. You accused me of trying to "convert people" but i'm just arguing my point. You bring up people having different opinions and all I did was express mine strongly.
With regards to you, I never twisted your words. You didn't actually say anything for me to twist. All you did was tell me not to say anything about what others post. If I disagree I have a right to say so. I provided my points but never challenged your fandom or how you feel about drafting players.
What you seem to be misunderstanding is when i'm making a rhetorical point and not specifically challenging you personally. My last two statements weren't just aimed at you since this wasn't a 2 person conversation. The statements were in general. I stand by those last two statements. How can "YOU" meaning anyone, refute the value of drafting top talent?
knicks1248 wrote:thats why the tanking made zero sense, the hiring of fisher made zero sense..
Phil put the team in position to get a high draft pick and he ended up with 3 prospects with high talent levels for this teams future. Tell me what was wrong about that?
^^^^Berman tweeted that Riley was considering taking Jerian at 10 but Winslow was a no brainer.
nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Knicks arent very appealing right now even though we try to be optimistic. Maybe if phil was coaching it would be easier. It doesnt sound like many of them are jumping at the chance to play with melo either. Obviously porzingis needs time to develop. Basically cap space is our only negotiating tool but other teams also have space and better situations
thats why the tanking made zero sense, the hiring of fisher made zero sense..
WHAT? You do realize that we already could have the foundation of a new team because of the draft right? That draft was the best thing to happen to this franchise. If you strike out in FA you can still have a future. I just don't understand this kind of thinking at all.
nix i like you but you gotta stop trying to convert people to think exactly like you. Everyone has a right to different opinions and outlooks. Knicks1248 is a passionate fan and his points are valid
Yeah and I gave my opinion. Why are you so concerned with my posting? You're turning into a stalker!!! What did I say that was incorrect? If KP and Jerian turn out to be really good players that was a great thing for this team. So why would we not be happy about this draft? Regardless of FA this team has some young talent with great upside. That part of this process is just fine. I don't care what kind of crazy point you could come up with having top young talent is a good thing. How do you refute that?
you seem to twist words around. I stated many times having young talent and drafting is something i LOVE to do. I also stated many tines i want jordan or aldrige badly However im just trying to be fair about the possibility of getting those type of free agents to come here. You act like i want the knicks to fail. I want the knicks to win so fucking badly but i try to keep it real as well
Look you interjected yourself into the situation and your statement is above. You accused me of trying to "convert people" but i'm just arguing my point. You bring up people having different opinions and all I did was express mine strongly. With regards to you, I never twisted your words. You didn't actually say anything for me to twist. All you did was tell me not to say anything about what others post. If I disagree I have a right to say so. I provided my points but never challenged your fandom or how you feel about drafting players.
What you seem to be misunderstanding is when i'm making a rhetorical point and not specifically challenging you personally. My last two statements weren't just aimed at you since this wasn't a 2 person conversation. The statements were in general. I stand by those last two statements. How can "YOU" meaning anyone, refute the value of drafting top talent?
knicks1248 wrote:thats why the tanking made zero sense, the hiring of fisher made zero sense..
Phil put the team in position to get a high draft pick and he ended up with 3 prospects with high talent levels for this teams future. Tell me what was wrong about that?
you still are misinterpreting. The converting people was just a joke. In fact i have complimented your knowledge and positive attitude a few times.
CrushAlot wrote:^^^^Berman tweeted that Riley was considering taking Jerian at 10 but Winslow was a no brainer.
grant was a great pickup. However its a shame that pat the rat was able to snag winslow at 10
StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Knicks arent very appealing right now even though we try to be optimistic. Maybe if phil was coaching it would be easier. It doesnt sound like many of them are jumping at the chance to play with melo either. Obviously porzingis needs time to develop. Basically cap space is our only negotiating tool but other teams also have space and better situations
thats why the tanking made zero sense, the hiring of fisher made zero sense..
WHAT? You do realize that we already could have the foundation of a new team because of the draft right? That draft was the best thing to happen to this franchise. If you strike out in FA you can still have a future. I just don't understand this kind of thinking at all.
nix i like you but you gotta stop trying to convert people to think exactly like you. Everyone has a right to different opinions and outlooks. Knicks1248 is a passionate fan and his points are valid
Yeah and I gave my opinion. Why are you so concerned with my posting? You're turning into a stalker!!! What did I say that was incorrect? If KP and Jerian turn out to be really good players that was a great thing for this team. So why would we not be happy about this draft? Regardless of FA this team has some young talent with great upside. That part of this process is just fine. I don't care what kind of crazy point you could come up with having top young talent is a good thing. How do you refute that?
you seem to twist words around. I stated many times having young talent and drafting is something i LOVE to do. I also stated many tines i want jordan or aldrige badly However im just trying to be fair about the possibility of getting those type of free agents to come here. You act like i want the knicks to fail. I want the knicks to win so fucking badly but i try to keep it real as well
Look you interjected yourself into the situation and your statement is above. You accused me of trying to "convert people" but i'm just arguing my point. You bring up people having different opinions and all I did was express mine strongly. With regards to you, I never twisted your words. You didn't actually say anything for me to twist. All you did was tell me not to say anything about what others post. If I disagree I have a right to say so. I provided my points but never challenged your fandom or how you feel about drafting players.
What you seem to be misunderstanding is when i'm making a rhetorical point and not specifically challenging you personally. My last two statements weren't just aimed at you since this wasn't a 2 person conversation. The statements were in general. I stand by those last two statements. How can "YOU" meaning anyone, refute the value of drafting top talent?
knicks1248 wrote:thats why the tanking made zero sense, the hiring of fisher made zero sense..
Phil put the team in position to get a high draft pick and he ended up with 3 prospects with high talent levels for this teams future. Tell me what was wrong about that?
you still are misinterpreting. The converting people was just a joke. In fact i have complimented your knowledge and positive attitude a few times.
No smiley face made it hard to read that as a joke. In the end this isn't really much of a disagreement. If we both agree that Phil did the right thing as it ended up with us getting 3 nice prospects for the teams future in this draft there's no problem. Regardless of how FA ends up.
mreinman wrote:martin wrote:mreinman wrote:when this is all over we can go back to trade rape dreaming ... no can take that away from us
dude, could you pick a different word than rape? You seem to use it a lot
I will try to find a better one but so far no luck
http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/rape
plunder? nah ...
ripoff or rip off
noun, Slang.
1.
an act or instance of ripping off another or others; a theft, cheat, or swindle.
2.
exploitation, especially of those who cannot prevent or counter it.
swindle
verb (used with object), swindled, swindling.
1.
to cheat (a person, business, etc.) out of money or other assets.
2.
to obtain by fraud or deceit.
verb (used without object), swindled, swindling.
3.
to put forward plausible schemes or use unscrupulous trickery to defraud others; cheat.
noun
4.
an act of swindling or a fraudulent transaction or scheme.
5.
anything deceptive; a fraud:
This advertisement is a real swindle.
nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Knicks arent very appealing right now even though we try to be optimistic. Maybe if phil was coaching it would be easier. It doesnt sound like many of them are jumping at the chance to play with melo either. Obviously porzingis needs time to develop. Basically cap space is our only negotiating tool but other teams also have space and better situations
thats why the tanking made zero sense, the hiring of fisher made zero sense..
WHAT? You do realize that we already could have the foundation of a new team because of the draft right? That draft was the best thing to happen to this franchise. If you strike out in FA you can still have a future. I just don't understand this kind of thinking at all.
nix i like you but you gotta stop trying to convert people to think exactly like you. Everyone has a right to different opinions and outlooks. Knicks1248 is a passionate fan and his points are valid
Yeah and I gave my opinion. Why are you so concerned with my posting? You're turning into a stalker!!! What did I say that was incorrect? If KP and Jerian turn out to be really good players that was a great thing for this team. So why would we not be happy about this draft? Regardless of FA this team has some young talent with great upside. That part of this process is just fine. I don't care what kind of crazy point you could come up with having top young talent is a good thing. How do you refute that?
you seem to twist words around. I stated many times having young talent and drafting is something i LOVE to do. I also stated many tines i want jordan or aldrige badly However im just trying to be fair about the possibility of getting those type of free agents to come here. You act like i want the knicks to fail. I want the knicks to win so fucking badly but i try to keep it real as well
Look you interjected yourself into the situation and your statement is above. You accused me of trying to "convert people" but i'm just arguing my point. You bring up people having different opinions and all I did was express mine strongly. With regards to you, I never twisted your words. You didn't actually say anything for me to twist. All you did was tell me not to say anything about what others post. If I disagree I have a right to say so. I provided my points but never challenged your fandom or how you feel about drafting players.
What you seem to be misunderstanding is when i'm making a rhetorical point and not specifically challenging you personally. My last two statements weren't just aimed at you since this wasn't a 2 person conversation. The statements were in general. I stand by those last two statements. How can "YOU" meaning anyone, refute the value of drafting top talent?
knicks1248 wrote:thats why the tanking made zero sense, the hiring of fisher made zero sense..
Phil put the team in position to get a high draft pick and he ended up with 3 prospects with high talent levels for this teams future. Tell me what was wrong about that?
Draft picks mean nothing if they are not bringing them into winning situations, why you think Love left mini, KG, Bosh, LBJ,i mean i could go on forever.
Even Patrick Ewing had decent players around him who had been playing together for a few yrs prior to him becoming a knick. We have no one but melo the volume shooter, and a rookie coach who has zero credibility.
Your acting like things are on the up and up because we have a couple of decent prospects. Well there's a lot of teams like that, and none have been successful without a decent roster to bring a high pick into.
Stop being naive.
knicks1248 wrote:nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:knicks1248 wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:Knicks arent very appealing right now even though we try to be optimistic. Maybe if phil was coaching it would be easier. It doesnt sound like many of them are jumping at the chance to play with melo either. Obviously porzingis needs time to develop. Basically cap space is our only negotiating tool but other teams also have space and better situations
thats why the tanking made zero sense, the hiring of fisher made zero sense..
WHAT? You do realize that we already could have the foundation of a new team because of the draft right? That draft was the best thing to happen to this franchise. If you strike out in FA you can still have a future. I just don't understand this kind of thinking at all.
nix i like you but you gotta stop trying to convert people to think exactly like you. Everyone has a right to different opinions and outlooks. Knicks1248 is a passionate fan and his points are valid
Yeah and I gave my opinion. Why are you so concerned with my posting? You're turning into a stalker!!! What did I say that was incorrect? If KP and Jerian turn out to be really good players that was a great thing for this team. So why would we not be happy about this draft? Regardless of FA this team has some young talent with great upside. That part of this process is just fine. I don't care what kind of crazy point you could come up with having top young talent is a good thing. How do you refute that?
you seem to twist words around. I stated many times having young talent and drafting is something i LOVE to do. I also stated many tines i want jordan or aldrige badly However im just trying to be fair about the possibility of getting those type of free agents to come here. You act like i want the knicks to fail. I want the knicks to win so fucking badly but i try to keep it real as well
Look you interjected yourself into the situation and your statement is above. You accused me of trying to "convert people" but i'm just arguing my point. You bring up people having different opinions and all I did was express mine strongly. With regards to you, I never twisted your words. You didn't actually say anything for me to twist. All you did was tell me not to say anything about what others post. If I disagree I have a right to say so. I provided my points but never challenged your fandom or how you feel about drafting players.
What you seem to be misunderstanding is when i'm making a rhetorical point and not specifically challenging you personally. My last two statements weren't just aimed at you since this wasn't a 2 person conversation. The statements were in general. I stand by those last two statements. How can "YOU" meaning anyone, refute the value of drafting top talent?
knicks1248 wrote:thats why the tanking made zero sense, the hiring of fisher made zero sense..
Phil put the team in position to get a high draft pick and he ended up with 3 prospects with high talent levels for this teams future. Tell me what was wrong about that?
Draft picks mean nothing if they are not bringing them into winning situations, why you think Love left mini, KG, Bosh, LBJ,i mean i could go on forever.
Even Patrick Ewing had decent players around him who had been playing together for a few yrs prior to him becoming a knick. We have no one but melo the volume shooter, and a rookie coach who has zero credibility.
Your acting like things are on the up and up because we have a couple of decent prospects. Well there's a lot of teams like that, and none have been successful without a decent roster to bring a high pick into.
Stop being naive.
I don't know what you prattling on about now. The simple fact is that it was a GOOD THING for this franchise that we drafted KP, Jerian and Willy. It's not a bad thing or a negative in any way. No matter what happens in FA, Phil did the best thing for this franchise with this draft. I'M not sure what your actual point is supposed to be. Phil has been remaking the roster with young prospects. They have to be developed but at this point you don't know just how good any of these players can become. They all have upside.
This FA is about finding some vets who can run with Melo and help this team have a winning record and make the post season. It's a two tier approach. I think it's smart since we can't be sure how FA will work out. If it goes well then fine but if it doesn't we still have some young prospects to develop for the future. We don't have all the eggs in just one basket.
WaltLongmire wrote:mreinman wrote:martin wrote:mreinman wrote:when this is all over we can go back to trade rape dreaming ... no can take that away from us
dude, could you pick a different word than rape? You seem to use it a lot
I will try to find a better one but so far no luck
http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/rape
plunder? nah ...
ripoff or rip off
noun, Slang.
1.
an act or instance of ripping off another or others; a theft, cheat, or swindle.
2.
exploitation, especially of those who cannot prevent or counter it.
swindle
verb (used with object), swindled, swindling.
1.
to cheat (a person, business, etc.) out of money or other assets.
2.
to obtain by fraud or deceit.
verb (used without object), swindled, swindling.
3.
to put forward plausible schemes or use unscrupulous trickery to defraud others; cheat.
noun
4.
an act of swindling or a fraudulent transaction or scheme.
5.
anything deceptive; a fraud:
This advertisement is a real swindle.
Geesh - I am def voting for Dolan'd
