StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:TPercy wrote:Lets take a look at our official depth chart.PG: Jerian Grant;Caledron;Galloway
SG:(Nobody);Thanasis;(Nobody)
SF:Melo;(Nobody);Early
PF:(Nobody);KP;(Nobody)
C:(Nobody);(Nobody);(Nobody)
OR
PG: Jerian Grant;Caledron;Galloway
SG:(Nobody);(Nobody);(Nobody)
SF:Melo;(Thanasis);Early
PF:(Nobody);KP;(Nobody)
C:(Nobody);(Nobody);(Nobody)
plus we have no picks next year and we may not even fill out the roster with lower tier free agents
Phil has at least stashed players so that we will have new talent to bring in next year. It's a bit overstated when you look at how many young prospects he's got in the pipeline. We've got as many prospects in the pipeline as a team like Philly. Also Phil hasn't pulled the trigger on any of his foreign targets yet.
thats fine BUT that doesnt change the fact that we will miss out on a high first rounder unless phil can get a pick back
How do you know the Knicks will be in the lottery?
nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:TPercy wrote:Lets take a look at our official depth chart.PG: Jerian Grant;Caledron;Galloway
SG:(Nobody);Thanasis;(Nobody)
SF:Melo;(Nobody);Early
PF:(Nobody);KP;(Nobody)
C:(Nobody);(Nobody);(Nobody)
OR
PG: Jerian Grant;Caledron;Galloway
SG:(Nobody);(Nobody);(Nobody)
SF:Melo;(Thanasis);Early
PF:(Nobody);KP;(Nobody)
C:(Nobody);(Nobody);(Nobody)
plus we have no picks next year and we may not even fill out the roster with lower tier free agents
Phil has at least stashed players so that we will have new talent to bring in next year. It's a bit overstated when you look at how many young prospects he's got in the pipeline. We've got as many prospects in the pipeline as a team like Philly. Also Phil hasn't pulled the trigger on any of his foreign targets yet.
thats fine BUT that doesnt change the fact that we will miss out on a high first rounder unless phil can get a pick back
How do you know the Knicks will be in the lottery?
i dont im just being hypothetical.
StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:TPercy wrote:Lets take a look at our official depth chart.PG: Jerian Grant;Caledron;Galloway
SG:(Nobody);Thanasis;(Nobody)
SF:Melo;(Nobody);Early
PF:(Nobody);KP;(Nobody)
C:(Nobody);(Nobody);(Nobody)
OR
PG: Jerian Grant;Caledron;Galloway
SG:(Nobody);(Nobody);(Nobody)
SF:Melo;(Thanasis);Early
PF:(Nobody);KP;(Nobody)
C:(Nobody);(Nobody);(Nobody)
plus we have no picks next year and we may not even fill out the roster with lower tier free agents
Phil has at least stashed players so that we will have new talent to bring in next year. It's a bit overstated when you look at how many young prospects he's got in the pipeline. We've got as many prospects in the pipeline as a team like Philly. Also Phil hasn't pulled the trigger on any of his foreign targets yet.
thats fine BUT that doesnt change the fact that we will miss out on a high first rounder unless phil can get a pick back
similarly, we will miss out on 2 first rounders if phil doesn't get 2 picks back
nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:TPercy wrote:Lets take a look at our official depth chart.PG: Jerian Grant;Caledron;Galloway
SG:(Nobody);Thanasis;(Nobody)
SF:Melo;(Nobody);Early
PF:(Nobody);KP;(Nobody)
C:(Nobody);(Nobody);(Nobody)
OR
PG: Jerian Grant;Caledron;Galloway
SG:(Nobody);(Nobody);(Nobody)
SF:Melo;(Thanasis);Early
PF:(Nobody);KP;(Nobody)
C:(Nobody);(Nobody);(Nobody)
plus we have no picks next year and we may not even fill out the roster with lower tier free agents
Phil has at least stashed players so that we will have new talent to bring in next year. It's a bit overstated when you look at how many young prospects he's got in the pipeline. We've got as many prospects in the pipeline as a team like Philly. Also Phil hasn't pulled the trigger on any of his foreign targets yet.
thats fine BUT that doesnt change the fact that we will miss out on a high first rounder unless phil can get a pick back
How do you know the Knicks will be in the lottery?
I'd bet if you were to ask all GMs now "If you could steal any one team's 2016 pick, who would you take" we come out very high on that list - probably even first place.
Bonn1997 wrote:nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:TPercy wrote:Lets take a look at our official depth chart.PG: Jerian Grant;Caledron;Galloway
SG:(Nobody);Thanasis;(Nobody)
SF:Melo;(Nobody);Early
PF:(Nobody);KP;(Nobody)
C:(Nobody);(Nobody);(Nobody)
OR
PG: Jerian Grant;Caledron;Galloway
SG:(Nobody);(Nobody);(Nobody)
SF:Melo;(Thanasis);Early
PF:(Nobody);KP;(Nobody)
C:(Nobody);(Nobody);(Nobody)
plus we have no picks next year and we may not even fill out the roster with lower tier free agents
Phil has at least stashed players so that we will have new talent to bring in next year. It's a bit overstated when you look at how many young prospects he's got in the pipeline. We've got as many prospects in the pipeline as a team like Philly. Also Phil hasn't pulled the trigger on any of his foreign targets yet.
thats fine BUT that doesnt change the fact that we will miss out on a high first rounder unless phil can get a pick back
How do you know the Knicks will be in the lottery?
I'd bet if you were to ask all GMs now "If you could steal any one team's 2016 pick, who would you take" we come out very high on that list - probably even first place.
Nah, we'd probably come in second behind Philly.
VCoug wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:TPercy wrote:Lets take a look at our official depth chart.PG: Jerian Grant;Caledron;Galloway
SG:(Nobody);Thanasis;(Nobody)
SF:Melo;(Nobody);Early
PF:(Nobody);KP;(Nobody)
C:(Nobody);(Nobody);(Nobody)
OR
PG: Jerian Grant;Caledron;Galloway
SG:(Nobody);(Nobody);(Nobody)
SF:Melo;(Thanasis);Early
PF:(Nobody);KP;(Nobody)
C:(Nobody);(Nobody);(Nobody)
plus we have no picks next year and we may not even fill out the roster with lower tier free agents
Phil has at least stashed players so that we will have new talent to bring in next year. It's a bit overstated when you look at how many young prospects he's got in the pipeline. We've got as many prospects in the pipeline as a team like Philly. Also Phil hasn't pulled the trigger on any of his foreign targets yet.
thats fine BUT that doesnt change the fact that we will miss out on a high first rounder unless phil can get a pick back
How do you know the Knicks will be in the lottery?
I'd bet if you were to ask all GMs now "If you could steal any one team's 2016 pick, who would you take" we come out very high on that list - probably even first place.
Nah, we'd probably come in second behind Philly.
Well that's reassuring! Still, they finished a game ahead of us and added Okafor. So I'm not so sure about that.
Bonn1997 wrote:VCoug wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:nixluva wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:TPercy wrote:Lets take a look at our official depth chart.PG: Jerian Grant;Caledron;Galloway
SG:(Nobody);Thanasis;(Nobody)
SF:Melo;(Nobody);Early
PF:(Nobody);KP;(Nobody)
C:(Nobody);(Nobody);(Nobody)
OR
PG: Jerian Grant;Caledron;Galloway
SG:(Nobody);(Nobody);(Nobody)
SF:Melo;(Thanasis);Early
PF:(Nobody);KP;(Nobody)
C:(Nobody);(Nobody);(Nobody)
plus we have no picks next year and we may not even fill out the roster with lower tier free agents
Phil has at least stashed players so that we will have new talent to bring in next year. It's a bit overstated when you look at how many young prospects he's got in the pipeline. We've got as many prospects in the pipeline as a team like Philly. Also Phil hasn't pulled the trigger on any of his foreign targets yet.
thats fine BUT that doesnt change the fact that we will miss out on a high first rounder unless phil can get a pick back
How do you know the Knicks will be in the lottery?
I'd bet if you were to ask all GMs now "If you could steal any one team's 2016 pick, who would you take" we come out very high on that list - probably even first place.
Nah, we'd probably come in second behind Philly.
Well that's reassuring! Still, they finished a game ahead of us and added Okafor. So I'm not so sure about that.
Hmm, that's true but Philly is probably still going to try to lose again next season so they won't win 2 meaningless games at the end of the season and fuck up their draft position.
TPercy wrote:What is vorp?
It stands for Value over Replacement. It's the number of points per 100 possessions that the player contributes above a replacement level player. Note replacement level doesn't mean average. It means bad.
TPercy wrote:What is vorp?
Value Over Replacement Player. It's supposed to judge how many points a player is worth versus a JAG. I think a replacement player is measured as -2 points.
VCoug wrote:TPercy wrote:What is vorp?
Value Over Replacement Player. It's supposed to judge how many points a player is worth versus a JAG. I think a replacement player is measured as -2 points.
I saw that but was confused by it. Does that mean if your VORP is -1.9 that you're 0.1 better than a replacement player or 1.9 worse than one?
Bonn1997 wrote:VCoug wrote:TPercy wrote:What is vorp?
Value Over Replacement Player. It's supposed to judge how many points a player is worth versus a JAG. I think a replacement player is measured as -2 points.
I saw that but was confused by it. Does that mean if your VORP is -1.9 that you're 0.1 better than a replacement player or 1.9 worse than one?
So is a high vorp good?
TPercy wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:VCoug wrote:TPercy wrote:What is vorp?
Value Over Replacement Player. It's supposed to judge how many points a player is worth versus a JAG. I think a replacement player is measured as -2 points.
I saw that but was confused by it. Does that mean if your VORP is -1.9 that you're 0.1 better than a replacement player or 1.9 worse than one?
So is a high vorp good?
Yeah, a high number is definitely good and a negative number is bad.
Bonn1997 wrote:VCoug wrote:TPercy wrote:What is vorp?
Value Over Replacement Player. It's supposed to judge how many points a player is worth versus a JAG. I think a replacement player is measured as -2 points.
I saw that but was confused by it. Does that mean if your VORP is -1.9 that you're 0.1 better than a replacement player or 1.9 worse than one?
Yeah, reading it I'm confused also. The wording isn't clear but it seems to be saying that a -1.9 VORP means a player cost their team -3.9 points.
Bonn1997 wrote:TPercy wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:VCoug wrote:TPercy wrote:What is vorp?
Value Over Replacement Player. It's supposed to judge how many points a player is worth versus a JAG. I think a replacement player is measured as -2 points.
I saw that but was confused by it. Does that mean if your VORP is -1.9 that you're 0.1 better than a replacement player or 1.9 worse than one?
So is a high vorp good?
Yeah, a high number is definitely good and a negative number is bad.
Wow, looking at the [url="http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015_advanced.html?lid=header_seasons"]list[/url] from last season. We had 3 players in the bottom 7 of VORP, 4 in the bottom 14, and 5 in the bottom 30. That's amazing.
You can also remove Draymond Green from the list
malassise wrote:You can also remove Draymond Green from the list
Thx.
i wouldn't mind either bass or bellineli on shorter deals.
Phil still has some options on the WS48 list. It's growing smaller but there is a glut of decent bigs who could help this team.
Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 ▾ VORP
20 C. Joseph PG 23 SAS 79 1444 15.5 .564 .107 .348 3.5 11.4 7.5 19.7 1.6 0.9 12.4 17.0 2.7 1.8 4.5 .149 1.0
31 Goran Dragic PG 28 TOT 78 2640 17.4 .577 .258 .234 3.5 8.2 5.9 22.8 1.5 0.5 13.5 21.8 5.4 1.4 6.8 .123 2.1
38 Bran Knight PG 23 TOT 63 2035 17.1 .543 .361 .251 1.6 12.0 6.8 27.4 2.3 0.4 16.1 25.9 2.0 2.5 4.5 .106 1.6
39 Reg Jackson PG 24 TOT 77 2268 17.2 .511 .242 .219 2.6 12.9 7.8 34.8 1.4 0.3 14.6 24.6 3.3 1.7 4.9 .104 1.6Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 ▾ VORP
2 Jimmy Butler SG 25 CHI 65 2513 21.3 .583 .212 .508 5.1 11.2 8.2 14.4 2.3 1.0 7.7 21.6 8.2 3.0 11.2 .214 4.2
11 Danny Green SG 27 SAS 81 2312 16.5 .596 .619 .172 2.7 13.9 8.4 10.3 2.2 2.8 10.5 17.5 4.0 3.9 7.8 .163 4.1
22 W. Matthews SG 28 POR 60 2024 16.1 .586 .592 .193 2.1 9.5 5.9 10.8 1.9 0.4 9.0 19.8 4.0 2.2 6.2 .147 3.0
26 Alexey Shved SG 26 TOT 42 767 19.5 .541 .415 .448 3.3 11.7 7.3 25.7 2.0 0.6 10.7 26.3 1.7 0.5 2.2 .135 0.5
40 Mar Belinelli SG 28 SAS 62 1388 12.4 .553 .489 .211 2.2 10.5 6.4 10.3 1.1 0.2 10.6 18.8 1.5 1.4 2.9 .100 0.5
Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 ▾ VORP
1 DeA. Jordan C 26 LAC 82 2820 21.0 .638 .007 .882 16.2 32.4 24.5 3.2 1.5 5.4 12.8 13.6 7.4 5.4 12.8 .217 4.3
5 M. Gasol C 30 MEM 81 2687 21.7 .558 .016 .410 4.9 21.8 13.4 19.7 1.4 4.0 12.2 24.6 5.5 4.7 10.2 .182 4.6
8 A. Baynes C 28 SAS 70 1122 15.9 .618 .012 .318 11.2 20.7 16.1 4.9 0.7 1.5 14.8 17.8 2.3 1.6 3.9 .166 0.3
13 A. Ajinca C 26 NOP 68 957 19.9 .595 .000 .301 12.4 25.0 18.7 8.2 1.2 4.0 15.6 21.1 1.9 1.2 3.2 .159 0.5
14 Brook Lopez C 26 BRK 72 2100 22.7 .558 .010 .278 11.5 17.1 14.3 4.5 1.1 4.8 8.6 26.3 4.7 2.2 7.0 .159 1.1
15 B. Biyombo C 22 CHO 64 1243 15.2 .578 .000 .941 13.7 22.6 18.0 2.0 0.7 6.3 16.5 11.6 1.8 2.2 4.0 .155 0.5
19 R. Lopez C 26 POR 59 1638 16.2 .574 .002 .291 12.7 13.1 12.9 5.1 0.5 3.7 12.9 15.5 3.2 1.9 5.1 .150 1.7
23 Enes Kanter C 22 TOT 75 2135 20.3 .564 .048 .252 14.6 20.5 17.6 4.8 0.9 1.1 12.3 24.7 4.3 2.1 6.4 .145 -0.1
32 Joel Freeland C 27 POR 48 617 12.2 .522 .000 .166 11.0 21.9 16.6 3.8 0.7 2.7 12.4 13.4 0.6 0.9 1.6 .122 0.0
34 Omer Asik C 28 NOP 76 1982 15.5 .545 .000 .546 14.0 28.8 21.4 5.4 0.8 2.1 15.7 14.0 2.8 2.2 5.0 .120 0.6
35 Kosta Koufos C 25 MEM 81 1348 14.2 .530 .000 .237 10.3 25.8 18.1 4.3 1.1 3.9 14.9 15.8 0.8 2.5 3.3 .118 0.2
37 Cole Aldrich C 26 NYK 61 976 18.1 .513 .000 .213 11.6 28.9 20.0 13.3 2.0 5.5 15.2 18.3 0.8 1.4 2.2 .107 0.7
Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 ▾ VORP
4 Bran. Wright PF 27 TOT 75 1449 20.4 .660 .008 .309 9.6 14.7 12.1 4.4 1.7 5.1 7.6 13.6 4.3 1.8 6.1 .202 2.0
7 P. Millsap PF 29 ATL 73 2390 20.1 .565 .232 .362 6.9 20.0 13.6 15.4 2.8 2.4 13.3 23.8 4.0 4.3 8.3 .167 3.7
9 L. Aldridge PF 29 POR 71 2512 22.8 .528 .074 .256 7.7 22.9 15.5 9.2 1.0 1.9 7.2 30.2 4.9 3.7 8.6 .165 1.4
10 K. Love PF 26 CLE 75 2532 18.8 .562 .412 .337 6.5 26.3 16.6 10.7 1.0 1.2 10.0 21.7 5.8 2.9 8.7 .165 2.5
17 G. Monroe PF 24 DET 69 2137 21.2 .549 .000 .394 11.2 25.1 17.9 11.7 1.9 1.3 13.0 23.9 4.0 2.8 6.8 .153 2.1
21 Tri Thompson PF 23 CLE 82 2194 15.6 .580 .000 .508 14.5 19.7 17.2 2.7 0.8 2.2 12.2 14.0 4.7 2.1 6.8 .148 0.8
24 Jon. Jerebko PF 27 TOT 75 1230 15.0 .549 .369 .174 8.0 17.2 12.5 9.0 1.9 1.1 9.7 16.2 2.0 1.4 3.5 .135 0.9
25 K. Middleton PF 23 MIL 79 2378 15.6 .563 .308 .180 2.3 14.3 8.4 12.7 2.6 0.4 10.8 19.9 3.2 3.5 6.7 .135 2.0
27 Brandon Bass PF 29 BOS 82 1929 16.3 .557 .047 .313 7.8 14.9 11.3 8.6 1.1 1.3 9.6 19.5 3.4 1.9 5.3 .132 0.7
29 Lavoy Allen PF 25 IND 63 1070 14.9 .493 .000 .157 12.8 20.5 16.7 10.9 0.7 3.1 11.1 15.2 1.3 1.6 2.8 .127 0.8
30 Amir Johnson PF 27 TOR 75 1979 15.4 .603 .089 .249 9.3 17.3 13.3 9.4 1.1 2.4 16.0 15.7 3.5 1.6 5.1 .124 1.9
Rk Player Pos Age Tm G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 ▾ VORP
3 Kawhi Leonard SF 23 SAS 64 2033 22.0 .567 .234 .307 4.8 20.6 12.9 13.0 3.7 1.8 9.4 23.0 4.2 4.4 8.6 .204 4.1
12 Dray. Green SF 24 GSW 79 2490 16.4 .540 .430 .261 5.1 22.4 14.0 16.1 2.4 2.9 13.5 17.2 3.3 5.2 8.5 .163 4.4
16 D. Carroll SF 28 ATL 70 2189 15.9 .603 .466 .277 5.3 13.8 9.7 8.3 2.2 0.7 9.3 16.9 4.3 2.8 7.0 .154 2.7
28 Dorell Wright SF 29 POR 48 592 13.4 .525 .568 .221 2.6 17.2 10.0 10.2 1.7 1.3 7.9 17.1 0.7 0.8 1.6 .128 0.4
33 Tha Sefolosha SF 30 ATL 52 976 13.8 .506 .313 .233 6.4 19.3 13.1 11.2 2.8 1.8 12.2 14.6 0.8 1.7 2.5 .121 0.8
36 Jae Crowder SF 24 TOT 82 1647 13.9 .517 .382 .259 4.7 14.9 9.7 8.6 2.2 1.2 7.5 17.5 1.9 2.0 3.9 .113 1.1
41 Tobias Harris SF 22 ORL 68 2369 16.7 .551 .252 .258 3.4 17.3 10.3 8.8 1.5 1.2 9.8 22.5 3.0 1.8 4.8 .098 1.0
I'll take DeAndre Jordan, please. With a side of Shved.
crzymdups wrote:I'll take DeAndre Jordan, please. With a side of Shved.
With Afflalo in the house I think Shved is gone unless there is a move to get rid of Calderon. Grant, Gallo, Afflalo, Ledo.
