crzymdups wrote:If the Knicks can get David Lee AND Robin Lopez, that's actually a solid starting five that MIGHT be able to make the playoffs.
true if they can stay healthy, which is almost impossible
D Lee would be a good fit here. Hopefully he makes his wishes known to GS and wants to come back to NY.
crzymdups wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:martin wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:Got to get picks, though, I would think...and maybe Looney, as I think Briggs mentioned at one point.
If the Knicks could get RoLo, Lee, Looney, future pick(s), I'd do it. Some light salary may need to go to GS, maybe Calderon.
Can those "wonderful" trade exceptions we have be put to any use at the point where we are near or above the cap limit?
You have Lee for the "now," Lopez as a "bridge" between now and the future, and Looney and the pick(s) for the future.
I do recall reading that Looney may need some kind of medical procedure in the future, though- not sure if it was back or hip related- and that this might have caused him to drop in the draft.
The trade exceptions have cap holds aka they are the same as cap room. We have to relinquish the trade exceptions to get cap room.
Dollar for dollar?
If you are near to the cap limit and cannot normally take a $5M player as you would go above the cap, would the trade exception work as an asset at that point?
crzymdups wrote:BRIGGS wrote:franco12 wrote:I'd be happy to get David, give them a trade exemption and also receive a second rounder. Asking for anything more, and they could just go to the Lakers.And while David may have enjoyed playing in NYC and being a Knick, its LA, and though they are running out of water, they are a better run franchise, and they have more talent than we do.
Nope--I dont need Lee unless I get a 2016#1 and Looney--anything less pass.
I would take just Looney. Looney is a mid first round talent. Lee actually fills a huge need here. It's a very good trade for $15M in cap room.
. Philly just did a deal where they got a number 1 Staukus TWO pick swaps and a 2 for two players who can still play. AND can also be traded again. D Lee at 15.4 is a lot to absorb. I think Looney and a lottery protected 1 is fair.
WaltLongmire wrote:crzymdups wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:martin wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:Got to get picks, though, I would think...and maybe Looney, as I think Briggs mentioned at one point.
If the Knicks could get RoLo, Lee, Looney, future pick(s), I'd do it. Some light salary may need to go to GS, maybe Calderon.
Can those "wonderful" trade exceptions we have be put to any use at the point where we are near or above the cap limit?
You have Lee for the "now," Lopez as a "bridge" between now and the future, and Looney and the pick(s) for the future.
I do recall reading that Looney may need some kind of medical procedure in the future, though- not sure if it was back or hip related- and that this might have caused him to drop in the draft.
The trade exceptions have cap holds aka they are the same as cap room. We have to relinquish the trade exceptions to get cap room.
Dollar for dollar?If you are near to the cap limit and cannot normally take a $5M player as you would go above the cap, would the trade exception work as an asset at that point?
If the Knicks want to create cap room, they have to "waive" the trade exceptions. That's all I know.
So if we want to create this $28M in cap room we're saying we have right now, that means we've waived the trade exceptions and relinquished rights to guys like Amar'e and Bargnani and Lance Thomas. etc.
crzymdups wrote:BRIGGS wrote:franco12 wrote:I'd be happy to get David, give them a trade exemption and also receive a second rounder. Asking for anything more, and they could just go to the Lakers.And while David may have enjoyed playing in NYC and being a Knick, its LA, and though they are running out of water, they are a better run franchise, and they have more talent than we do.
Nope--I dont need Lee unless I get a 2016#1 and Looney--anything less pass.
I would take just Looney. Looney is a mid first round talent. Lee actually fills a huge need here. It's a very good trade for $15M in cap room.
We add talent. We save them 1 year on a contract. GS's owner is not crying poverty if they have to pay tax, not after winning the championship.
If I can get Lee, I'm happy, because right now, I'm looking at NBDL talent to fill out my roster, and a repeat of last years disaster.
BRIGGS wrote:crzymdups wrote:BRIGGS wrote:franco12 wrote:I'd be happy to get David, give them a trade exemption and also receive a second rounder. Asking for anything more, and they could just go to the Lakers.And while David may have enjoyed playing in NYC and being a Knick, its LA, and though they are running out of water, they are a better run franchise, and they have more talent than we do.
Nope--I dont need Lee unless I get a 2016#1 and Looney--anything less pass.
I would take just Looney. Looney is a mid first round talent. Lee actually fills a huge need here. It's a very good trade for $15M in cap room.
. Philly just did a deal where they got a number 1 Staukus TWO pick swaps and a 2 for two players who can still play. AND can also be traded again. D Lee at 15.4 is a lot to absorb. I think Looney and a lottery protected 1 is fair.
Maybe. I'd still do the deal without that, but if they give us a 2017 pick or something, I wouldn't say no.
I'd still do the trade for just Looney and Lee.
Logic: $15M for Looney and Lee is better value than we could get anywhere in FA at this point.
WaltLongmire wrote:
Right ---Im sure GS will WANT something for Lee for now. And in 3 days will be willing to use assets to get rid of him.
BRIGGS wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:
Right ---Im sure GS will WANT something for Lee for now. And in 3 days will be willing to use assets to get rid of him.
Sadly - the Lakers and Knicks are so desperate for warm bodies over 6'7" that they will probably get into a bidding war for Lee.
BRIGGS wrote:franco12 wrote:I'd be happy to get David, give them a trade exemption and also receive a second rounder. Asking for anything more, and they could just go to the Lakers.And while David may have enjoyed playing in NYC and being a Knick, its LA, and though they are running out of water, they are a better run franchise, and they have more talent than we do.
Nope--I dont need Lee unless I get a 2016#1 and Looney--anything less pass.
If we moveed Calderón, and some how signed Lopez and traded for Lee and Looney and maybe a pick I would say we had a good offseason:
Grant
Porzingis
Lopez
Lee
Looney
Afflalo
That's nice enough
crzymdups wrote:BRIGGS wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:
Right ---Im sure GS will WANT something for Lee for now. And in 3 days will be willing to use assets to get rid of him.
Sadly - the Lakers and Knicks are so desperate for warm bodies over 6'7" that they will probably get into a bidding war for Lee.
Phil hasn't panicked so far, so why would he do that now? I don't see him getting desperate and wasting assets for no reason.
Kings were desperate to get that cap space so they overpaid to dump contracts...
Think we can definitely get a future first by adding Lee but wouldn't expect the same type of haul as that Philly/SAC deal unfortunately.
crzymdups wrote:BRIGGS wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:
Right ---Im sure GS will WANT something for Lee for now. And in 3 days will be willing to use assets to get rid of him.
Sadly - the Lakers and Knicks are so desperate for warm bodies over 6'7" that they will probably get into a bidding war for Lee.
super sad
we'll probably end up with
lee
lin
brewer
all x knicks
s3231 wrote:Kings were desperate to get that cap space so they overpaid to dump contracts...Think we can definitely get a future first by adding Lee but wouldn't expect the same type of haul as that Philly/SAC deal unfortunately.
Yeah, the other thing is the Warriors don't have to be desperate. They have until the trade deadline to get under the luxury tax line.
They aren't trying to create cap room to sign FA - they're just trying to keep their payroll costs down.
How much cap room would we have if we sign Lopez to around 11 mil per and then stretch Calderon? If we can get Lee and Looney, I'd do it.
crzymdups wrote:s3231 wrote:Kings were desperate to get that cap space so they overpaid to dump contracts...Think we can definitely get a future first by adding Lee but wouldn't expect the same type of haul as that Philly/SAC deal unfortunately.
Yeah, the other thing is the Warriors don't have to be desperate. They have until the trade deadline to get under the luxury tax line.
They aren't trying to create cap room to sign FA - they're just trying to keep their payroll costs down.
Yeah but who will have a clean 15.4mm to take on Lee?
BRIGGS wrote:crzymdups wrote:s3231 wrote:Kings were desperate to get that cap space so they overpaid to dump contracts...Think we can definitely get a future first by adding Lee but wouldn't expect the same type of haul as that Philly/SAC deal unfortunately.
Yeah, the other thing is the Warriors don't have to be desperate. They have until the trade deadline to get under the luxury tax line.
They aren't trying to create cap room to sign FA - they're just trying to keep their payroll costs down.
Yeah but who will have a clean 15.4mm to take on Lee?
Good point - there is some urgency now because of the dwindling cap room around the league.
But the Lakers and Knicks certainly have the cap room right now and both are in desperate need of a serviceable big man.
It's all about who is more desperate. GSW could also waive and stretch DLee and lower their lux cap hit.
knicks1248 wrote:crzymdups wrote:BRIGGS wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:
Right ---Im sure GS will WANT something for Lee for now. And in 3 days will be willing to use assets to get rid of him.
Sadly - the Lakers and Knicks are so desperate for warm bodies over 6'7" that they will probably get into a bidding war for Lee.
super sad
we'll probably end up with
lee
lin
brewer
all x knicks
Only he Knicks.
Where are all the people who killed David Lee and defended the Amare signing?
crzymdups wrote:BRIGGS wrote:crzymdups wrote:s3231 wrote:Kings were desperate to get that cap space so they overpaid to dump contracts...Think we can definitely get a future first by adding Lee but wouldn't expect the same type of haul as that Philly/SAC deal unfortunately.
Yeah, the other thing is the Warriors don't have to be desperate. They have until the trade deadline to get under the luxury tax line.
They aren't trying to create cap room to sign FA - they're just trying to keep their payroll costs down.
Yeah but who will have a clean 15.4mm to take on Lee?
Good point - there is some urgency now because of the dwindling cap room around the league.
But the Lakers and Knicks certainly have the cap room right now and both are in desperate need of a serviceable big man.
It's all about who is more desperate. GSW could also waive and stretch DLee and lower their lux cap hit.
The Lakers have Randle they just drafted Nance why would they need another PF? They need a C.
crzymdups wrote:s3231 wrote:Kings were desperate to get that cap space so they overpaid to dump contracts...Think we can definitely get a future first by adding Lee but wouldn't expect the same type of haul as that Philly/SAC deal unfortunately.
Yeah, the other thing is the Warriors don't have to be desperate. They have until the trade deadline to get under the luxury tax line.
They aren't trying to create cap room to sign FA - they're just trying to keep their payroll costs down.
how many teams will have cap space to absorb at the trade deadline?
Also, does anyone know the exact amount DLee's contract will cost GSW? For some reason I thought I read that his deal would set them back north of $40M. That's a TON for an owner to swallow.
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