Knicks · What Will Lopez's Role on Offense Be? (page 1)
Bonn1997@ 7/4/2015 10:31 AM
He can average 10 or 11 efficient points a game but is that going to just get cut in half or worse in the triangle?
yellowboy90@ 7/4/2015 10:32 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:He can average 10 or 11 efficient points a game but is that going to just get cut in half or worse in the triangle?
why would it be cut in half
NYKBocker@ 7/4/2015 10:36 AM
He will play the role of Scott Williams or Shaq. Shaq couldn't shoot a lick and he was very good in the triangle. I am not saying he will be like Shaq but their role will be the same. That is why I also mentioned Scott Williams.
Bonn1997@ 7/4/2015 10:38 AM
yellowboy90 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:He can average 10 or 11 efficient points a game but is that going to just get cut in half or worse in the triangle?
why would it be cut in half
Because he doesn't shoot mid range shots. We saw Dalembert's scoring get cut and people kept saying Tyson would have had no role in this offense.
Bonn1997@ 7/4/2015 10:40 AM
NYKBocker wrote:He will play the role of Scott Williams or Shaq. Shaq couldn't shoot a lick and he was very good in the triangle. I am not saying he will be like Shaq but their role will be the same. That is why I also mentioned Scott Williams.
So they'll be occasionally calling low post plays for him? Anything else? They won't do any pick and roles for him even though he finishes near the basket efficiently? Or will they?
yellowboy90@ 7/4/2015 10:44 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:He can average 10 or 11 efficient points a game but is that going to just get cut in half or worse in the triangle?
why would it be cut in half
Because he doesn't shoot mid range shots. We saw Dalembert's scoring get cut and people kept saying Tyson would have had no role in this offense.
He is not Dalembert and has more game than Tyson imho. I see him on the weak side taking advantage of the PnR game and also on the blocks some.
I see him hopefully on offense reproducing his Pelicans numbers. Why di dthe Pelicans trade him when they wanted a big to pair with Davis. I guess I could ask why they traded Noel too.
martin@ 7/4/2015 11:00 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:He will play the role of Scott Williams or Shaq. Shaq couldn't shoot a lick and he was very good in the triangle. I am not saying he will be like Shaq but their role will be the same. That is why I also mentioned Scott Williams.
So they'll be occasionally calling low post plays for him? Anything else? They won't do any pick and roles for him even though he finishes near the basket efficiently? Or will they?
why you make an assumption like that?
Bonn1997@ 7/4/2015 11:05 AM
martin wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:He will play the role of Scott Williams or Shaq. Shaq couldn't shoot a lick and he was very good in the triangle. I am not saying he will be like Shaq but their role will be the same. That is why I also mentioned Scott Williams.
So they'll be occasionally calling low post plays for him? Anything else? They won't do any pick and roles for him even though he finishes near the basket efficiently? Or will they?
why you make an assumption like that?
I'm trying to apply every reason that was given when people said Tyson wouldn't have an offensive role to our current situation with Lopez. I definitely don't claim to know much about the triangle. I was hoping people would give a list of things Lopez will be able to do that Tyson wasn't in the triangle so that I could reconcile what's being said and visualize what Lopez will actually be doing.
martin@ 7/4/2015 11:07 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
martin wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:He will play the role of Scott Williams or Shaq. Shaq couldn't shoot a lick and he was very good in the triangle. I am not saying he will be like Shaq but their role will be the same. That is why I also mentioned Scott Williams.
So they'll be occasionally calling low post plays for him? Anything else? They won't do any pick and roles for him even though he finishes near the basket efficiently? Or will they?
why you make an assumption like that?
I'm trying to apply every reason that was given when people said Tyson wouldn't have an offensive role to our current situation with Lopez.
what the hell does that mean? And what does Tyson have to do with how Lopez is going to play?
Bonn1997@ 7/4/2015 11:09 AM
martin wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
martin wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:He will play the role of Scott Williams or Shaq. Shaq couldn't shoot a lick and he was very good in the triangle. I am not saying he will be like Shaq but their role will be the same. That is why I also mentioned Scott Williams.
So they'll be occasionally calling low post plays for him? Anything else? They won't do any pick and roles for him even though he finishes near the basket efficiently? Or will they?
why you make an assumption like that?
I'm trying to apply every reason that was given when people said Tyson wouldn't have an offensive role to our current situation with Lopez.
what the hell does that mean? And what does Tyson have to do with how Lopez is going to play?
Well I added a little more detail. If it still doesn't make sense to you, perhaps other people will reply or perhaps I'm a producing a word salad to use psychology jargon.
tj23@ 7/4/2015 11:36 AM
He'll play center in the triangle. That's his role...
crzymdups@ 7/4/2015 11:54 AM
Lopez is great at picks and slipping the picks to the hoop. He will be a target for Melo or KP to pass to. He is a league leader in offensive rebounding and putbacks. No reason to believe he won't score ten points a night in a very similar way to how he did it in Portland.
Look at Lou Amundson's good games from last year. I think you will see ROLO give you a bigger and more consistently good version of Lou at the least on offense and much much better on D due to length and size and instincts. He's a great defender and he hustles. The Garden will love him.
ROLO is the best move we made in free agency. He and the Grant pick give me hope for next season. I think we will be pleasantly surprised by Afflalo too. I have hopes for Williams and KP, but could see them having rocky seasons.
Uptown@ 7/4/2015 11:57 AM
Tyson was traded for reasons beyond the bb court imo...
crzymdups@ 7/4/2015 11:58 AM
Uptown wrote:Tyson was traded for reasons beyond the bb court imo...
Agreed. It killed me but he didn't want to be here anymore. I don't know if it was Melo or Woodson or the general team atmosphere but he was checked out.
Bonn1997@ 7/4/2015 12:00 PM
Uptown wrote:Tyson was traded for reasons beyond the bb court imo...
Yeah but the things people are saying Lopez will be doing Tyson would have too. If people were just angry with Tyson and didn't really mean it when they said he'd have no role on offense in the triangle, then all the comments in this thread make sense.
crzymdups@ 7/4/2015 12:03 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:Tyson was traded for reasons beyond the bb court imo...
Yeah but the things people are saying Lopez will be doing Tyson would have too. If people were just angry with Tyson and didn't really mean it when they said he'd have no role on offense in the triangle, then all the comments in this thread make sense.
RLopez actually has more of a post game than Tyson. It's not a pretty post game, but he shoots about 56% on post ups. Something Tyson never developed.
martin@ 7/4/2015 12:04 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Uptown wrote:Tyson was traded for reasons beyond the bb court imo...
Yeah but the things people are saying Lopez will be doing Tyson would have too. If people were just angry with Tyson and didn't really mean it when they said he'd have no role on offense in the triangle, then all the comments in this thread make sense.
Word salad, you keep posting word salad
holfresh@ 7/4/2015 12:05 PM
martin wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
martin wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:He will play the role of Scott Williams or Shaq. Shaq couldn't shoot a lick and he was very good in the triangle. I am not saying he will be like Shaq but their role will be the same. That is why I also mentioned Scott Williams.
So they'll be occasionally calling low post plays for him? Anything else? They won't do any pick and roles for him even though he finishes near the basket efficiently? Or will they?
why you make an assumption like that?
I'm trying to apply every reason that was given when people said Tyson wouldn't have an offensive role to our current situation with Lopez.
what the hell does that mean? And what does Tyson have to do with how Lopez is going to play?
It's a legitimate question..I didn't think Tyson had a role in this offense when Phil was hired..He wasn't a pivot player who made good decisions with the ball nor did he had a post up game..Outside of the fact that every NBA team need a big and interior defense, asking his role in the triangle is legit...Why do u think it's a crazy question?
Bonn1997@ 7/4/2015 12:08 PM
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
martin wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:He will play the role of Scott Williams or Shaq. Shaq couldn't shoot a lick and he was very good in the triangle. I am not saying he will be like Shaq but their role will be the same. That is why I also mentioned Scott Williams.
So they'll be occasionally calling low post plays for him? Anything else? They won't do any pick and roles for him even though he finishes near the basket efficiently? Or will they?
why you make an assumption like that?
I'm trying to apply every reason that was given when people said Tyson wouldn't have an offensive role to our current situation with Lopez.
what the hell does that mean? And what does Tyson have to do with how Lopez is going to play?
It's a legitimate question..I didn't think Tyson had a role in this offense when Phil was hired..He wasn't a pivot player who made good decisions with the ball nor did he had a post up game..Outside of the fact that every NBA team need a big and interior defense, asking his role in the triangle is legit...Why do u think it's a crazy question?
Thanks. I didn't think I was losing my mind.
holfresh@ 7/4/2015 12:19 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
martin wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:He will play the role of Scott Williams or Shaq. Shaq couldn't shoot a lick and he was very good in the triangle. I am not saying he will be like Shaq but their role will be the same. That is why I also mentioned Scott Williams.
So they'll be occasionally calling low post plays for him? Anything else? They won't do any pick and roles for him even though he finishes near the basket efficiently? Or will they?
why you make an assumption like that?
I'm trying to apply every reason that was given when people said Tyson wouldn't have an offensive role to our current situation with Lopez.
what the hell does that mean? And what does Tyson have to do with how Lopez is going to play?
It's a legitimate question..I didn't think Tyson had a role in this offense when Phil was hired..He wasn't a pivot player who made good decisions with the ball nor did he had a post up game..Outside of the fact that every NBA team need a big and interior defense, asking his role in the triangle is legit...Why do u think it's a crazy question?
Thanks. I didn't think I was losing my mind.
I'm not adept at understanding the triangle either..I do know that it has defense as a principle that transitions into offense...Maybe he is instrumental in that role..
nixluva@ 7/4/2015 12:31 PM
The best way to really understand Triangle roles is to look at how bigs in the past have been used. RoLo will be used in the same way that Shaq or any other Low Post C has been used in the Triangle.
Since RoLo isn't like Pau or Bargs with a mid range and more game he won't be doing any the stuff they do. He's squarely in the Low Post and setting screens business. The other thing to remember is that the Triangle is actually extremely flexible and so you can tailor things to the strengths of your players. People keep making the false statement that there's no PnR in the Triangle when in fact there's ALWAYS been PnR in the Triangle. They simply don't feature it as a main staple of the offense. Like the 3 pt shot it's in there but it's not the sole focus of the offense.
Here are some post ups RoLo had against Moz. He also repeatedly beats Moz down the floor.
