smackeddog wrote:NYY1NYK2 wrote:Galloway looked good last yr because we had no one. I'm ready to move on
Ah, the knick fan life cycle- praise rookies in their first year and overhype them, blast them to shit in the second year. Is there honestly any player we haven't done this to?
Can't wait until next year when Porzingis gets his turn at being devalued by the Knicks fans base.
smackeddog wrote:NYY1NYK2 wrote:Galloway looked good last yr because we had no one. I'm ready to move on
Ah, the knick fan life cycle- praise rookies in their first year and overhype them, blast them to shit in the second year. Is there honestly any player we haven't done this to?
Patrick Ewing? Mark Jackson?
Bill Cartwright had a great first 2 years as a NY Knick.
WaltLongmire wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:
The impression that I got from KP's Spanish highlight videos and which made me question whether he could ever be a franchise cornerstone is that he is simply not a one-on-one, create-his-own-shot, gimme-the-damn-ball-and-get-the-hell-outta-my-way player. He needs to play within a team concept for his offense: put backs, rolls to the basket, open jump shots. Without teammates passing him the ball or plays called for him, I just don't know how effective he can be.So far, SL play only reinforces my view.
So after all the Fredric Weis and Darko insults the poor Latvian has had to endure; after the draft night booing by people who had not even taken the time to learn about who he was; after all the jokes about his lack of strength and rail thin 195 lbs. body; after all the talk of him being a 5 year project, and how Melo was being betrayed by Jackson, there comes the most devastating criticism of them all...Kris Porzingis...YOU ARE A TEAM PLAYER!Where is that American "me first" attitude we all crave... where is that swagger that we all love to see? Why oh why, Kris, are you looking to be part of a team and not selfishly promoting yourself? Forget about passing the ball or setting screens, you should be putting up 15-20 shots and making 5 of them like many of your American born counterparts are doing in SL. How will the NBA market you...how will you market yourself and your brand, if you continue to play selflessly, and not selfishly?!
Who do you think you are, Kris Porzingis...some kind of Latvian Bill Russell??
If you actually take a deep breath, have some iced coffee, or some other legal stimulant which may wake you up, and then look again at what you just wrote, perhaps...just perhaps, if you have any sense, you may come to understand why Phil Jackson, and not you, is in charge of creating a competitive team and choosing what kind of players will help the franchise achieve the success it has not had in many many years.
You are making a big assumption that the Knicks will play team ball with plays designed to cater specifically to KP's abilities.
And a championship NBA team needs a franchise player capable of single-handedly taking over a game when the going gets tough. Curry, LeBron, Duncan, Dirk, Pierce all had that ability. Whether KP has it remains to be seen, so far I have not seen how he can beat his defender one-on-one straight up, let alone deal with a double team. And that is an important facet of the NBA game for a star player, whether you like it or not.
Sorry if I am not yet ready to bring sacrificial lambs onto the altar of KP worship, as you might like me to. I really like the kid, I do, but commenting on what I am seeing so far.
ESOMKnicks wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:
The impression that I got from KP's Spanish highlight videos and which made me question whether he could ever be a franchise cornerstone is that he is simply not a one-on-one, create-his-own-shot, gimme-the-damn-ball-and-get-the-hell-outta-my-way player. He needs to play within a team concept for his offense: put backs, rolls to the basket, open jump shots. Without teammates passing him the ball or plays called for him, I just don't know how effective he can be.So far, SL play only reinforces my view.
So after all the Fredric Weis and Darko insults the poor Latvian has had to endure; after the draft night booing by people who had not even taken the time to learn about who he was; after all the jokes about his lack of strength and rail thin 195 lbs. body; after all the talk of him being a 5 year project, and how Melo was being betrayed by Jackson, there comes the most devastating criticism of them all...Kris Porzingis...YOU ARE A TEAM PLAYER!Where is that American "me first" attitude we all crave... where is that swagger that we all love to see? Why oh why, Kris, are you looking to be part of a team and not selfishly promoting yourself? Forget about passing the ball or setting screens, you should be putting up 15-20 shots and making 5 of them like many of your American born counterparts are doing in SL. How will the NBA market you...how will you market yourself and your brand, if you continue to play selflessly, and not selfishly?!
Who do you think you are, Kris Porzingis...some kind of Latvian Bill Russell??
If you actually take a deep breath, have some iced coffee, or some other legal stimulant which may wake you up, and then look again at what you just wrote, perhaps...just perhaps, if you have any sense, you may come to understand why Phil Jackson, and not you, is in charge of creating a competitive team and choosing what kind of players will help the franchise achieve the success it has not had in many many years.
You are making a big assumption that the Knicks will play team ball with plays designed to cater specifically to KP's abilities.
And a championship NBA team needs a franchise player capable of single-handedly taking over a game when the going gets tough. Curry, LeBron, Duncan, Dirk, Pierce all had that ability. Whether KP has it remains to be seen, so far I have not seen how he can beat his defender one-on-one straight up, let alone deal with a double team. And that is an important facet of the NBA game for a star player, whether you like it or not.
Sorry if I am not yet ready to bring sacrificial lambs onto the altar of KP worship, as you might like me to. I really like the kid, I do, but commenting on what I am seeing so far.
yeah after three games in summer league i haven't seen much of this either. who would you rather the knicks have drafted?
Outside of the guys that went in the top three, I was best hoping for Mudiay. But after it was pointed out here that scoring averages in China are really inflated, I have come to think that KP may indeed have been the best pick at #4.
But the coaching staff needs to understand how to use him properly, have team plays that use his strengths, not expect him to call for the ball or create for himself.
ESOMKnicks wrote:Outside of the guys that went in the top three, I was best hoping for Mudiay. But after it was pointed out here that scoring averages in China are really inflated, I have come to think that KP may indeed have been the best pick at #4.But the coaching staff needs to understand how to use him properly, have team plays that use his strengths, not expect him to call for the ball or create for himself.
KP is in GREAT hands. Phil has forgotten more about the game than we know. He's not just gonna watch games and allow the kid to be used in the wrong way. The last thing i'm worried about is the Knicks not knowing how to take advantage of KP's talents and develop him properly and that goes for all of our young prospects. They're being taught the fundamentals of great basketball and how to not only play but think the game too. It's process and over time it will become more and more evident just how much instruction these guys have been getting.
