Knicks · Emmanuel Mudiay was the pick to be made at 4... (page 6)
blkexec wrote:Mudiay is not the first player or last player that will shine from Zinger and Grant's draft class. I'm not understanding the motivation with this thread. We can't have a draft selection for every single player in each draft. So there will be players to slip through the cracks. You cant control what not in your control. It's ok to be a fan of other players.....But there's something about going over board over something that doesn't belong to you. Thats when it becomes an issue.....excellent post. I was actually in favor of drafting mudiay but im extremely happy what we got. We got a top 5 prospect with huge upside and we got a top 15 rated prospect for hardaway jr
StarksEwing1 wrote:holfresh wrote:anthony randolph averaged like 20 points about 5 years back. Even nate robinson lit up the SL. The point is you cant just look at a few games in the summer league and decalre them a franchise playerChuckBuck wrote:holfresh wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:holfresh wrote:Nalod wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:Everyone think on this thought. A 7 foot 3 player did this:This isn't a guard or wing player....a 7 foot 3 player with this skill, instinct, IQ, and athleticism anticipated and played the passing lane and flushed it like it was a breakfast turd.
Man I shiver at the thought of his ceiling once this guy gets introduced to Shake Shak...
When I saw that I was thinkin the smae thing!!! Seven Mutherphuching Three!!!!
No Shwan Bradley comps here, this kid is skilled!!!! We could pass on him as most have said, his upside is crazy and if we passed and he hits his potential we have a bonafide great player!!
Im sure Mudiay will be a very good player as well might be rookie of the year. Starphuchers want it all now. Me, Im really more than ok with this pick!! It was not the safe pick, it could define the franchise for 10+ years!!
7'3 skilled athletic kids don't come around very often. I can't even compare him to anyone. Sampson? Durant? Dirk? He has a bigger frame than Durant and looks more athletic than Dirk was. Sampson had knee trouble as they tried him to hold the post and he was too skinny and Narrow.
So why isn't a 19 year old PG with vision considered a player for the next 10 years and beyond but a 7'3" considered a 10 year player..Your age and career time clock don't start ticking once you figure out the game..So now a player has a knock against him for being ready for the league at age 19..LeBron and Magic was ready for the league at a young age, didn't turn out too bad..
I don't see the point in a 7'3" jump shooter who can't rebound..If u have a post game and u owned the boards couple with range then we are talking..Ewing, Dream, inside players all had inside moves at that age..They built with on that later..Hoping to put on weight in order to build strength is a plan?Point guards are supposed to know how to shoot.
Tony Parker, Derek Rose, Magic Johnson, John Wall, Jimmy Butler, Charles Oakley, Patrick Ewing, Hakeem, all learned to shoot outside in the NBA
Show me the big man who learned the post and improved his rebounding in the NBA..Didn't Mudiay average 50% Free Throws so far in 4 games? Small sample size I know(Bonn) but I think it's a pre-requisite for a Point Guard to know how to shoot free throws.
Yet there are articles saying he is the best/most impressive player in the summer league..
You have missed the point of my entire discussion..First off, I'm am expressing my sentiment on the kid being that none of us have seen him..Second, the idea that Porzinger was the best option at the 4 th is ridiculous..Three, Denver is impressed enough to now want to trade their entire team with a few holdovers..
This entire discussion I never mentioned stats...Metric can't explain what we are seeing..It's summer league but the kid is playing the best ball of all and he could have been our pick..
blkexec wrote:Mudiay is not the first player or last player that will shine from Zinger and Grant's draft class. I'm not understanding the motivation with this thread. We can't have a draft selection for every single player in each draft. So there will be players to slip through the cracks. You cant control what not in your control. It's ok to be a fan of other players.....But there's something about going over board over something that doesn't belong to you. Thats when it becomes an issue.....
So the plan is stick you head in the sand, ignore and don't discuss other options than the ones we made??
Next time I'll re-title the thread..I don't see Mudiay light up summer league...
holfresh wrote:blkexec wrote:Mudiay is not the first player or last player that will shine from Zinger and Grant's draft class. I'm not understanding the motivation with this thread. We can't have a draft selection for every single player in each draft. So there will be players to slip through the cracks. You cant control what not in your control. It's ok to be a fan of other players.....But there's something about going over board over something that doesn't belong to you. Thats when it becomes an issue.....So the plan is stick you head in the sand, ignore and don't discuss other options than the ones we made??
you are not happy with the KP pick?
mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:blkexec wrote:Mudiay is not the first player or last player that will shine from Zinger and Grant's draft class. I'm not understanding the motivation with this thread. We can't have a draft selection for every single player in each draft. So there will be players to slip through the cracks. You cant control what not in your control. It's ok to be a fan of other players.....But there's something about going over board over something that doesn't belong to you. Thats when it becomes an issue.....So the plan is stick you head in the sand, ignore and don't discuss other options than the ones we made??
you are not happy with the KP pick?
Did you miss my barage of threads the day of the draft..
I'll summarize..I don't see the point of a 7 foot 3 pt jumper shooter who can't rebound..He doesn't have the strength to play the post at this level..
holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:blkexec wrote:Mudiay is not the first player or last player that will shine from Zinger and Grant's draft class. I'm not understanding the motivation with this thread. We can't have a draft selection for every single player in each draft. So there will be players to slip through the cracks. You cant control what not in your control. It's ok to be a fan of other players.....But there's something about going over board over something that doesn't belong to you. Thats when it becomes an issue.....So the plan is stick you head in the sand, ignore and don't discuss other options than the ones we made??
you are not happy with the KP pick?
Did you miss my barage of threads the day of the draft..
I'll summarize..I don't see the point of a 7 foot 3 pt jumper shooter who can't rebound..He doesn't have the strength to play the post at this level..
you can't see the big potential?
Obviously if you judge them as of today, there were a number of better options.
mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:blkexec wrote:Mudiay is not the first player or last player that will shine from Zinger and Grant's draft class. I'm not understanding the motivation with this thread. We can't have a draft selection for every single player in each draft. So there will be players to slip through the cracks. You cant control what not in your control. It's ok to be a fan of other players.....But there's something about going over board over something that doesn't belong to you. Thats when it becomes an issue.....So the plan is stick you head in the sand, ignore and don't discuss other options than the ones we made??
you are not happy with the KP pick?
Did you miss my barage of threads the day of the draft..
I'll summarize..I don't see the point of a 7 foot 3 pt jumper shooter who can't rebound..He doesn't have the strength to play the post at this level..you can't see the big potential?
Obviously if you judge them as of today, there were a number of better options.
Let's look at this realistically..You have seen the wear and tear on Melo playing PF..LeBron talking about he doesn't want to play PF because it wears him down and he gets beaten up..Shaq used to complain about the beat down he experienced on the interior..
You want me to believe a guy who can barely remain standing after 20 mins of summer league basketball is now going to bulk up and play the post at the next level??..Ok spanky..
U almost have to be a thug to play interior ball in the NBA..U see Admunson in action??..This guy is soft as a marshmallow..
holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:blkexec wrote:Mudiay is not the first player or last player that will shine from Zinger and Grant's draft class. I'm not understanding the motivation with this thread. We can't have a draft selection for every single player in each draft. So there will be players to slip through the cracks. You cant control what not in your control. It's ok to be a fan of other players.....But there's something about going over board over something that doesn't belong to you. Thats when it becomes an issue.....So the plan is stick you head in the sand, ignore and don't discuss other options than the ones we made??
you are not happy with the KP pick?
Did you miss my barage of threads the day of the draft..
I'll summarize..I don't see the point of a 7 foot 3 pt jumper shooter who can't rebound..He doesn't have the strength to play the post at this level..you can't see the big potential?
Obviously if you judge them as of today, there were a number of better options.
Let's look at this realistically..You have seen the wear and tear on Melo playing PF..LeBron talking about he doesn't want to play PF because it wears him down and he gets beaten up..Shaq used to complain about the beat down he experienced on the interior..
You want me to believe a guy who can barely remain standing after 20 mins of summer league basketball is now going to bulk up and play the post at the next level??..Ok spanky..
spanky?
holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:blkexec wrote:Mudiay is not the first player or last player that will shine from Zinger and Grant's draft class. I'm not understanding the motivation with this thread. We can't have a draft selection for every single player in each draft. So there will be players to slip through the cracks. You cant control what not in your control. It's ok to be a fan of other players.....But there's something about going over board over something that doesn't belong to you. Thats when it becomes an issue.....So the plan is stick you head in the sand, ignore and don't discuss other options than the ones we made??
you are not happy with the KP pick?
Did you miss my barage of threads the day of the draft..
I'll summarize..I don't see the point of a 7 foot 3 pt jumper shooter who can't rebound..He doesn't have the strength to play the post at this level..you can't see the big potential?
Obviously if you judge them as of today, there were a number of better options.
Let's look at this realistically..You have seen the wear and tear on Melo playing PF..LeBron talking about he doesn't want to play PF because it wears him down and he gets beaten up..Shaq used to complain about the beat down he experienced on the interior..
You want me to believe a guy who can barely remain standing after 20 mins of summer league basketball is now going to bulk up and play the post at the next level??..Ok spanky..
The same was said about Dirk Nowitzki and Pau Gasol coming into the league.
mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:blkexec wrote:Mudiay is not the first player or last player that will shine from Zinger and Grant's draft class. I'm not understanding the motivation with this thread. We can't have a draft selection for every single player in each draft. So there will be players to slip through the cracks. You cant control what not in your control. It's ok to be a fan of other players.....But there's something about going over board over something that doesn't belong to you. Thats when it becomes an issue.....So the plan is stick you head in the sand, ignore and don't discuss other options than the ones we made??
you are not happy with the KP pick?
Did you miss my barage of threads the day of the draft..
I'll summarize..I don't see the point of a 7 foot 3 pt jumper shooter who can't rebound..He doesn't have the strength to play the post at this level..you can't see the big potential?
Obviously if you judge them as of today, there were a number of better options.
Let's look at this realistically..You have seen the wear and tear on Melo playing PF..LeBron talking about he doesn't want to play PF because it wears him down and he gets beaten up..Shaq used to complain about the beat down he experienced on the interior..
You want me to believe a guy who can barely remain standing after 20 mins of summer league basketball is now going to bulk up and play the post at the next level??..Ok spanky..spanky?
U almost have to be a Thug to play interior basketball in the NBA..Have u seen Admunson in action??..It's a war..This guy is soft as a marshmallow..
3 rebounds a game..think about that for a second..
holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:blkexec wrote:Mudiay is not the first player or last player that will shine from Zinger and Grant's draft class. I'm not understanding the motivation with this thread. We can't have a draft selection for every single player in each draft. So there will be players to slip through the cracks. You cant control what not in your control. It's ok to be a fan of other players.....But there's something about going over board over something that doesn't belong to you. Thats when it becomes an issue.....So the plan is stick you head in the sand, ignore and don't discuss other options than the ones we made??
you are not happy with the KP pick?
Did you miss my barage of threads the day of the draft..
I'll summarize..I don't see the point of a 7 foot 3 pt jumper shooter who can't rebound..He doesn't have the strength to play the post at this level..you can't see the big potential?
Obviously if you judge them as of today, there were a number of better options.
Let's look at this realistically..You have seen the wear and tear on Melo playing PF..LeBron talking about he doesn't want to play PF because it wears him down and he gets beaten up..Shaq used to complain about the beat down he experienced on the interior..
You want me to believe a guy who can barely remain standing after 20 mins of summer league basketball is now going to bulk up and play the post at the next level??..Ok spanky..spanky?
U almost have to be a Thug to play interior basketball in the NBA..Have u seen Admunson in action??..It's a war..This guy is soft as a marshmallow..
SOFT???
holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:blkexec wrote:Mudiay is not the first player or last player that will shine from Zinger and Grant's draft class. I'm not understanding the motivation with this thread. We can't have a draft selection for every single player in each draft. So there will be players to slip through the cracks. You cant control what not in your control. It's ok to be a fan of other players.....But there's something about going over board over something that doesn't belong to you. Thats when it becomes an issue.....So the plan is stick you head in the sand, ignore and don't discuss other options than the ones we made??
you are not happy with the KP pick?
Did you miss my barage of threads the day of the draft..
I'll summarize..I don't see the point of a 7 foot 3 pt jumper shooter who can't rebound..He doesn't have the strength to play the post at this level..you can't see the big potential?
Obviously if you judge them as of today, there were a number of better options.
Let's look at this realistically..You have seen the wear and tear on Melo playing PF..LeBron talking about he doesn't want to play PF because it wears him down and he gets beaten up..Shaq used to complain about the beat down he experienced on the interior..
You want me to believe a guy who can barely remain standing after 20 mins of summer league basketball is now going to bulk up and play the post at the next level??..Ok spanky..spanky?
U almost have to be a Thug to play interior basketball in the NBA..Have u seen Admunson in action??..It's a war..This guy is soft as a marshmallow..
3 rebounds a game..think about that for a second..
you seem to intentionally see the facts and state the opposite.
TPercy wrote:holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:blkexec wrote:Mudiay is not the first player or last player that will shine from Zinger and Grant's draft class. I'm not understanding the motivation with this thread. We can't have a draft selection for every single player in each draft. So there will be players to slip through the cracks. You cant control what not in your control. It's ok to be a fan of other players.....But there's something about going over board over something that doesn't belong to you. Thats when it becomes an issue.....So the plan is stick you head in the sand, ignore and don't discuss other options than the ones we made??
you are not happy with the KP pick?
Did you miss my barage of threads the day of the draft..
I'll summarize..I don't see the point of a 7 foot 3 pt jumper shooter who can't rebound..He doesn't have the strength to play the post at this level..you can't see the big potential?
Obviously if you judge them as of today, there were a number of better options.
Let's look at this realistically..You have seen the wear and tear on Melo playing PF..LeBron talking about he doesn't want to play PF because it wears him down and he gets beaten up..Shaq used to complain about the beat down he experienced on the interior..
You want me to believe a guy who can barely remain standing after 20 mins of summer league basketball is now going to bulk up and play the post at the next level??..Ok spanky..spanky?
U almost have to be a Thug to play interior basketball in the NBA..Have u seen Admunson in action??..It's a war..This guy is soft as a marshmallow..
SOFT???
Yes, 3 rebounds a game soft..Can't seal a defender to get a pass in the post soft..Yes, soft..
holfresh wrote:Soft? The kid never avoids contact and so far every game battles for rebounds and on defense. He did a good job on okafor. He just needs to get stronger and he willmreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:blkexec wrote:Mudiay is not the first player or last player that will shine from Zinger and Grant's draft class. I'm not understanding the motivation with this thread. We can't have a draft selection for every single player in each draft. So there will be players to slip through the cracks. You cant control what not in your control. It's ok to be a fan of other players.....But there's something about going over board over something that doesn't belong to you. Thats when it becomes an issue.....So the plan is stick you head in the sand, ignore and don't discuss other options than the ones we made??
you are not happy with the KP pick?
Did you miss my barage of threads the day of the draft..
I'll summarize..I don't see the point of a 7 foot 3 pt jumper shooter who can't rebound..He doesn't have the strength to play the post at this level..you can't see the big potential?
Obviously if you judge them as of today, there were a number of better options.
Let's look at this realistically..You have seen the wear and tear on Melo playing PF..LeBron talking about he doesn't want to play PF because it wears him down and he gets beaten up..Shaq used to complain about the beat down he experienced on the interior..
You want me to believe a guy who can barely remain standing after 20 mins of summer league basketball is now going to bulk up and play the post at the next level??..Ok spanky..spanky?
U almost have to be a Thug to play interior basketball in the NBA..Have u seen Admunson in action??..It's a war..This guy is soft as a marshmallow..
3 rebounds a game..think about that for a second..
mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:blkexec wrote:Mudiay is not the first player or last player that will shine from Zinger and Grant's draft class. I'm not understanding the motivation with this thread. We can't have a draft selection for every single player in each draft. So there will be players to slip through the cracks. You cant control what not in your control. It's ok to be a fan of other players.....But there's something about going over board over something that doesn't belong to you. Thats when it becomes an issue.....So the plan is stick you head in the sand, ignore and don't discuss other options than the ones we made??
you are not happy with the KP pick?
Did you miss my barage of threads the day of the draft..
I'll summarize..I don't see the point of a 7 foot 3 pt jumper shooter who can't rebound..He doesn't have the strength to play the post at this level..you can't see the big potential?
Obviously if you judge them as of today, there were a number of better options.
Let's look at this realistically..You have seen the wear and tear on Melo playing PF..LeBron talking about he doesn't want to play PF because it wears him down and he gets beaten up..Shaq used to complain about the beat down he experienced on the interior..
You want me to believe a guy who can barely remain standing after 20 mins of summer league basketball is now going to bulk up and play the post at the next level??..Ok spanky..spanky?
U almost have to be a Thug to play interior basketball in the NBA..Have u seen Admunson in action??..It's a war..This guy is soft as a marshmallow..
3 rebounds a game..think about that for a second..
you seem to intentionally see the facts and state the opposite.
The convention is to provide facts when u counter..you have any examples riding with that statement?
StarksEwing1 wrote:holfresh wrote:Soft? The kid never avoids contact and so far every game battles for rebounds and on defense. He did a good job on okafor. He just needs to get stronger and he willmreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:blkexec wrote:Mudiay is not the first player or last player that will shine from Zinger and Grant's draft class. I'm not understanding the motivation with this thread. We can't have a draft selection for every single player in each draft. So there will be players to slip through the cracks. You cant control what not in your control. It's ok to be a fan of other players.....But there's something about going over board over something that doesn't belong to you. Thats when it becomes an issue.....So the plan is stick you head in the sand, ignore and don't discuss other options than the ones we made??
you are not happy with the KP pick?
Did you miss my barage of threads the day of the draft..
I'll summarize..I don't see the point of a 7 foot 3 pt jumper shooter who can't rebound..He doesn't have the strength to play the post at this level..you can't see the big potential?
Obviously if you judge them as of today, there were a number of better options.
Let's look at this realistically..You have seen the wear and tear on Melo playing PF..LeBron talking about he doesn't want to play PF because it wears him down and he gets beaten up..Shaq used to complain about the beat down he experienced on the interior..
You want me to believe a guy who can barely remain standing after 20 mins of summer league basketball is now going to bulk up and play the post at the next level??..Ok spanky..spanky?
U almost have to be a Thug to play interior basketball in the NBA..Have u seen Admunson in action??..It's a war..This guy is soft as a marshmallow..
3 rebounds a game..think about that for a second..
It's not avoiding contact..it's being able to take contact and standing your ground..
holfresh wrote:StarksEwing1 wrote:holfresh wrote:Soft? The kid never avoids contact and so far every game battles for rebounds and on defense. He did a good job on okafor. He just needs to get stronger and he willmreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:blkexec wrote:Mudiay is not the first player or last player that will shine from Zinger and Grant's draft class. I'm not understanding the motivation with this thread. We can't have a draft selection for every single player in each draft. So there will be players to slip through the cracks. You cant control what not in your control. It's ok to be a fan of other players.....But there's something about going over board over something that doesn't belong to you. Thats when it becomes an issue.....So the plan is stick you head in the sand, ignore and don't discuss other options than the ones we made??
you are not happy with the KP pick?
Did you miss my barage of threads the day of the draft..
I'll summarize..I don't see the point of a 7 foot 3 pt jumper shooter who can't rebound..He doesn't have the strength to play the post at this level..you can't see the big potential?
Obviously if you judge them as of today, there were a number of better options.
Let's look at this realistically..You have seen the wear and tear on Melo playing PF..LeBron talking about he doesn't want to play PF because it wears him down and he gets beaten up..Shaq used to complain about the beat down he experienced on the interior..
You want me to believe a guy who can barely remain standing after 20 mins of summer league basketball is now going to bulk up and play the post at the next level??..Ok spanky..spanky?
U almost have to be a Thug to play interior basketball in the NBA..Have u seen Admunson in action??..It's a war..This guy is soft as a marshmallow..
3 rebounds a game..think about that for a second..
It's not avoiding contact..it's being able to take contact and standing your ground..
Which is exactly what he is trying to do but he is lacking the strength to do so.
holfresh wrote:Uptown wrote:holfresh wrote:Uptown wrote:holfresh wrote:foosballnick wrote:holfresh wrote:foosballnick wrote:Ah. And here it is. A thread for the guy who wanted Phil fired on Draft Night for picking KP. A thread from a guy who has an anti Phil agenda and has railed on PJ since he got here. Just seemingly furthering the agenda so he can point our who performs better than Phil's pick KP on a minute by minute basis. Sorry, but assigning a franchise player tag to Muday's superstardom or judging how good a player will be based on 3 or 4 Summer League games is pretty silly. Making an assessment comparison based on who starts in Game 1 of their rookie year is laughable. You are of course entitled to you opinion. Of course it is way too early to make an assessment like you have made...but that is par for the course.Ok..for a second, let's forget the out defend Phil at all cost mode..What do you think of Mudiay's skill level and what he will be given what you have seen?
Mudiay definitely has mad handle and good vision. He has skills, that's why he was picked near the top of the draft. Becoming a franchise player is more than just skill level. Beyond superior skills, what makes a top player is often what's in his head, his motivation, drive, competitiveness, ability to quickly move on from mistakes, ability to tone out all the negative noise. There is just no way to know this about a 19 year old kid who played in China after 4 Summer league games.
If you listened to the commentators last night, not only is Denver handing him the keys..David Aldridge was asking, is Malone going to give him structure or just give him the ball to do his thing??..They have decided the team is his...But you are right, I'm shocked they have decided that already..
Mudiay is a good prospect. The probelm with Mudiay being picked by the Knick is fit. There aint no keys to be turned over in the triangle offense. Mudiay has a better chance of fulfilling his full potential in Denver. With that said, you have to admit, his poor outside shot, coupled with his poor freethrow shooting is alarming for a guard. Aint no guarantee that his broken shot will be fixed...See the Pearl Washington comparison you made..The jumper, among other things is what kept him from sticking in the NBA...
All players have areas they need to work on..We drafted a 7 footer who can't post and can't rebound..But we took a chance..Mudiay seems like an above IQ player and skilled we have lacked at the position since Clyde..We had no problem going all in on a longer shot player than Mudiay..
The old school thought is when you have two highly regarded prospects that are close, you usually go with the BIG prospect....I disagree that we haven't had a highly skilled, high IQ pg since Clyde. We had two on the same team in Mark and Rod Strickland...I'm still bothered that we traded Strickland all these years later....lol
Mudiay is a one one one, pick and roll type of point guard....How do you honestly think Mudiay would do in the Triangle offense?
He isn't just a specialized type player..He is 6'5" and is a basketball player, meaning all around game..What should be noted is that his shot is awful and yet he dominates the game passing the ball..Phil just drafted a player that might not come into his own until Phil is long gone..
Dominates the game??? What games are you watching?
Date Opponent Result MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OFF DEF REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
Jul 16 at ATL L 73-82 27 4-9 0-0 0-0 0 3 3 1 2 0 7 3 8
Not a dominating performance by any means, nor really any of his SL games