Knicks · The Carmelo non factor (page 3)

GustavBahler wrote:Melo being the primary option on offense for the next couple of seasons makes it easier for Porzingis to transition to the NBA. I believe that Grant will get Porzingis his looks, but Kristaps, wont have the pressure to close out games with Melo on the floor. Regardless of what you think about Melo, this is not a bad thing in Porzingis's long term development.

Very good point.

dk7th wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

nixluva wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:

EnySpree wrote:We didn't move him earlier. The smart thing to do would have been to not even sign him at all...

without back tracking and just dealing with this situation, the Knicks are doing great and no matter what we will be fine

I actually disagree about not signing Melo at all. The thing you would hope for is that having him still allowed FA's to feel they weren't coming to a team that had nothing. So we've gotten thru FA and have a solid roster. Now if Melo shows he can play the way he always has that would give us a very nice trade chip going forward. At any time this year if Melo should decide that he wants a win now roster he can waive his no trade. I think it still made sense to have him as an asset. I don't think he's gonna want to beg off from this team tho. I think Melo is gonna find a comfort zone with this team and help the team make a run for the playoffs. It's in his best interests to have a great year no matter what he decides he wants to do. Stay or Go, Melo has to perform.

he is not going to have any takers out there for win-now-- he's too expensive. more likely we get marbury 2.0.

Well IMO it's not that pressing of an issue at this point. Melo's going to have to play and play well enough to show he's fully back to All Star level. That's not gonna happen right away. If he is playing well I expect the team to win games and if that happens he's not gonna want to leave NY and we'll be just fine with having him and a team that's winning games. I just don't see a big deal. If he plays well and the Knicks stink he has the option of waiving his no trade and i'm sure there will be a team out there looking for an edge in the post season.

Come on Nixluva- we all know that All-stars have no trade value, especially to win-now teams- dk7th is right!

if there are teams out there looking for an edge they are the ones who already have their starting lineups in place and are not going to be looking to disrupt what put them in a position to contend-- if any top-six team wants carmelo anthiny then it will be as a sixth man off the bench.

if you are talking about the other ten teams who will make the playoffs but have very little chance of becoming title contenders, ie who think adding carmelo anthiny will vault their team into the top six in the league... i have to say that is an interesting if not desperate fantasy for them and for you.

exactly. So far no one has pointed out a team that could trade for him and become contenders, for a very good reason. Such teams don't exist.

I personally don't care what other team might be interested in Melo. I believe the team will play better and he's gonna stay. He wants to be here and if the team is playing better and in the hunt for a playoff spot he's not gonna be looking for the exit. I think the likelihood of Melo asking to be traded is very low. This is a more solid roster than last season. I think it's at least going to be competitive if Melo comes back in good form and healthy.

nixluva wrote:I personally don't care what other team might be interested in Melo. I believe the team will play better and he's gonna stay. He wants to be here and if the team is playing better and in the hunt for a playoff spot he's not gonna be looking for the exit. I think the likelihood of Melo asking to be traded is very low. This is a more solid roster than last season. I think it's at least going to be competitive if Melo comes back in good form and healthy.

Is is up to Melo what he wants to do with his bbal part of the Brand.
Knicks can take advantage of both his staying or going.
Phil will not allow Melo and his agent to abuse the team any more and this the only thing that matters.

meloshouldgo wrote:

dk7th wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

nixluva wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:

EnySpree wrote:We didn't move him earlier. The smart thing to do would have been to not even sign him at all...

without back tracking and just dealing with this situation, the Knicks are doing great and no matter what we will be fine

I actually disagree about not signing Melo at all. The thing you would hope for is that having him still allowed FA's to feel they weren't coming to a team that had nothing. So we've gotten thru FA and have a solid roster. Now if Melo shows he can play the way he always has that would give us a very nice trade chip going forward. At any time this year if Melo should decide that he wants a win now roster he can waive his no trade. I think it still made sense to have him as an asset. I don't think he's gonna want to beg off from this team tho. I think Melo is gonna find a comfort zone with this team and help the team make a run for the playoffs. It's in his best interests to have a great year no matter what he decides he wants to do. Stay or Go, Melo has to perform.

he is not going to have any takers out there for win-now-- he's too expensive. more likely we get marbury 2.0.

Well IMO it's not that pressing of an issue at this point. Melo's going to have to play and play well enough to show he's fully back to All Star level. That's not gonna happen right away. If he is playing well I expect the team to win games and if that happens he's not gonna want to leave NY and we'll be just fine with having him and a team that's winning games. I just don't see a big deal. If he plays well and the Knicks stink he has the option of waiving his no trade and i'm sure there will be a team out there looking for an edge in the post season.

Come on Nixluva- we all know that All-stars have no trade value, especially to win-now teams- dk7th is right!

if there are teams out there looking for an edge they are the ones who already have their starting lineups in place and are not going to be looking to disrupt what put them in a position to contend-- if any top-six team wants carmelo anthiny then it will be as a sixth man off the bench.

if you are talking about the other ten teams who will make the playoffs but have very little chance of becoming title contenders, ie who think adding carmelo anthiny will vault their team into the top six in the league... i have to say that is an interesting if not desperate fantasy for them and for you.

exactly. So far no one has pointed out a team that could trade for him and become contenders, for a very good reason. Such teams don't exist.

At this moment. Anthony might be useful somewhere in a season or two. There's virtually no chance he gets dealt this season as he himself needs to come back from knee surgery and prove he's gtg. Even if he is already planning his exit he must understand he has to play one season to get his value back up to par. He'll be traded either after this season or the next. Book it. It's a virtual certainty.

meloshouldgo wrote:

dk7th wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

nixluva wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:

EnySpree wrote:We didn't move him earlier. The smart thing to do would have been to not even sign him at all...

without back tracking and just dealing with this situation, the Knicks are doing great and no matter what we will be fine

I actually disagree about not signing Melo at all. The thing you would hope for is that having him still allowed FA's to feel they weren't coming to a team that had nothing. So we've gotten thru FA and have a solid roster. Now if Melo shows he can play the way he always has that would give us a very nice trade chip going forward. At any time this year if Melo should decide that he wants a win now roster he can waive his no trade. I think it still made sense to have him as an asset. I don't think he's gonna want to beg off from this team tho. I think Melo is gonna find a comfort zone with this team and help the team make a run for the playoffs. It's in his best interests to have a great year no matter what he decides he wants to do. Stay or Go, Melo has to perform.

he is not going to have any takers out there for win-now-- he's too expensive. more likely we get marbury 2.0.

Well IMO it's not that pressing of an issue at this point. Melo's going to have to play and play well enough to show he's fully back to All Star level. That's not gonna happen right away. If he is playing well I expect the team to win games and if that happens he's not gonna want to leave NY and we'll be just fine with having him and a team that's winning games. I just don't see a big deal. If he plays well and the Knicks stink he has the option of waiving his no trade and i'm sure there will be a team out there looking for an edge in the post season.

Come on Nixluva- we all know that All-stars have no trade value, especially to win-now teams- dk7th is right!

if there are teams out there looking for an edge they are the ones who already have their starting lineups in place and are not going to be looking to disrupt what put them in a position to contend-- if any top-six team wants carmelo anthiny then it will be as a sixth man off the bench.

if you are talking about the other ten teams who will make the playoffs but have very little chance of becoming title contenders, ie who think adding carmelo anthiny will vault their team into the top six in the league... i have to say that is an interesting if not desperate fantasy for them and for you.

exactly. So far no one has pointed out a team that could trade for him and become contenders, for a very good reason. Such teams don't exist.

Not going to include pics just matching salary.

Washington for Nene, Webster, Porter
Hornets for Batum, Williams, MCG
Clippers for Lance, Crawford, Reddick
Houston for Lawson, Ariza, Jones
Pelicans for Gordan, Evans
Bulls for Noah, Gibson, Hinrich
Detroit for Jennings, Illyasova, Meeks
Toronto for Carroll, Paterson, Ross
Utah for Burke, Booker
Boston for Lee, Turner
Suns for Bledsoe, Morris, Len
Portland for Kaman, Aminu

newyorknewyork wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

dk7th wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

nixluva wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:

EnySpree wrote:We didn't move him earlier. The smart thing to do would have been to not even sign him at all...

without back tracking and just dealing with this situation, the Knicks are doing great and no matter what we will be fine

I actually disagree about not signing Melo at all. The thing you would hope for is that having him still allowed FA's to feel they weren't coming to a team that had nothing. So we've gotten thru FA and have a solid roster. Now if Melo shows he can play the way he always has that would give us a very nice trade chip going forward. At any time this year if Melo should decide that he wants a win now roster he can waive his no trade. I think it still made sense to have him as an asset. I don't think he's gonna want to beg off from this team tho. I think Melo is gonna find a comfort zone with this team and help the team make a run for the playoffs. It's in his best interests to have a great year no matter what he decides he wants to do. Stay or Go, Melo has to perform.

he is not going to have any takers out there for win-now-- he's too expensive. more likely we get marbury 2.0.

Well IMO it's not that pressing of an issue at this point. Melo's going to have to play and play well enough to show he's fully back to All Star level. That's not gonna happen right away. If he is playing well I expect the team to win games and if that happens he's not gonna want to leave NY and we'll be just fine with having him and a team that's winning games. I just don't see a big deal. If he plays well and the Knicks stink he has the option of waiving his no trade and i'm sure there will be a team out there looking for an edge in the post season.

Come on Nixluva- we all know that All-stars have no trade value, especially to win-now teams- dk7th is right!

if there are teams out there looking for an edge they are the ones who already have their starting lineups in place and are not going to be looking to disrupt what put them in a position to contend-- if any top-six team wants carmelo anthiny then it will be as a sixth man off the bench.

if you are talking about the other ten teams who will make the playoffs but have very little chance of becoming title contenders, ie who think adding carmelo anthiny will vault their team into the top six in the league... i have to say that is an interesting if not desperate fantasy for them and for you.

exactly. So far no one has pointed out a team that could trade for him and become contenders, for a very good reason. Such teams don't exist.

Not going to include pics just matching salary.

Washington for Nene, Webster, Porter
Hornets for Batum, Williams, MCG
Clippers for Lance, Crawford, Reddick
Houston for Lawson, Ariza, Jones
Pelicans for Gordan, Evans
Bulls for Noah, Gibson, Hinrich
Detroit for Jennings, Illyasova, Meeks
Toronto for Carroll, Paterson, Ross
Utah for Burke, Booker
Boston for Lee, Turner
Suns for Bledsoe, Morris, Len
Portland for Kaman, Aminu

That looks pretty good

Lawson (basically an expiring if things do not work out)
Ariza
DMO
KJ McDaniels or another throw in if needed
Rights to Monztrell Harrellz

1 future 1st rounder Houston's pick(unprotected)
New York Knick's 2016 2nd rounder
Portland's 2017 2nd rounder
Denvers 2nd rounder

for

CA
Calderon
Early
Ledo
150% rule

Beverely
Harden
Decker/Brewer
CA
D12

Calderon
Marcus Thornton/Ledo
Brewer or Decker
Terrence Jones
Clint Capela

Terry could resign if they want him or 1 spot
Ledo *unguaranteed*
Early *unguaranteed*
Christian Wood
1 spot

RonRon wrote:
Lawson (basically an expiring if things do not work out)
Ariza
DMO
KJ McDaniels or another throw in if needed
Rights to Monztrell Harrellz

1 future 1st rounder Houston's pick(unprotected)
New York Knick's 2016 2nd rounder
Portland's 2017 2nd rounder
Denvers 2nd rounder

for

CA
Calderon
Early
Ledo
150% rule

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A hound dog found a bone and held it tightly in his mouth. He growled and scowled at anyone who attempted to take it away. Off into the woods he went to bury his prize.

When he came to a stream, he trotted over the footbridge and happened to glance into the water. He saw his own reflection. Thinking it was another dog with a bigger bone, he growled and scowled at it. The reflection growled and scowled back.

"I'll get THAT bone too," thought the greedy dog, and he snapped his sharp teeth at the image in the water.

Alas, his own big bone fell with a splash, out of sight, the moment he opened his mouth to bite!

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