barkley comes across primarily as an entertainer but he has a keen basketball mind and should not be dismissed just because he mocks the laughingstock knicks. shaq and smith are also fine basketball monds, and don't forget chris webber who i also think is great, including his color commentating. it'd be hard to fathom the shows popularity and ratings and emmy awards without there being some underpinning of substance. his book "i may be wrong but i doubt it" is a great read, too.
just sayin'
like when he says analytics is stupid?
I find him quite entertaining but at the same time a bit of a bufoon
ChuckBuck wrote:It wouldn't be a miracle if the Knicks made the playoffs, half the teams in the league makes the playoffs! It's a coin flip 50/50 guess really, so Barkley is making a "smart" prediction actually.
Hey, I called it already, before the Barkley tweet. I got the first round on the line! That means if they make the playoffs, I get a free beer from everybody! Pick and spot and I'm there! I'm only 3.5 hrs away! 50 dollar greyhound ride.
ChuckBuck wrote:It wouldn't be a miracle if the Knicks made the playoffs, half the teams in the league makes the playoffs! It's a coin flip 50/50 guess really, so Barkley is making a "smart" prediction actually.
Yeah, but are we better than half the league?
TPercy wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:It wouldn't be a miracle if the Knicks made the playoffs, half the teams in the league makes the playoffs! It's a coin flip 50/50 guess really, so Barkley is making a "smart" prediction actually.
Yeah, but are we better than half the league?
you don't have to be better than half the league you just have to be better than 7 other teams in the eastern conference.
the nba rewards mediocrity and lately sub-mediocrity. that's entertainment
The Brooklyn Nets made the playoffs in the Leastern Conference with 38 wins, so making the playoffs is not a great accomplishment.
Just be glad the Knicks have a legitimate chance at playoff bball in the weak east. In the western conference, 50 wins doesn't guarantee a a playoff spot sometimes!
TPercy wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:It wouldn't be a miracle if the Knicks made the playoffs, half the teams in the league makes the playoffs! It's a coin flip 50/50 guess really, so Barkley is making a "smart" prediction actually.
Yeah, but are we better than half the league?
I could see the East falling like this:
1) Cleveland
2) Miami
3) Atlanta
4) Chicago
5) Washington
6) Milwaukee
7) Raptors
8) Pacers
9) Knicks
10) Celtics
11) Pistons
12) Hornets
13) Magic
14) Nets
15) Sixers
I think the Knicks could be in a dog fight with Indy and the Raptors for those bottom two seeds. Also, Chicago could slip - new coach, you never know about Rose, etc.
crzymdups wrote:TPercy wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:It wouldn't be a miracle if the Knicks made the playoffs, half the teams in the league makes the playoffs! It's a coin flip 50/50 guess really, so Barkley is making a "smart" prediction actually.
Yeah, but are we better than half the league?
I could see the East falling like this:
1) Cleveland
2) Miami
3) Atlanta
4) Chicago
5) Washington
6) Milwaukee
7) Raptors
8) Pacers
9) Knicks
10) Celtics
11) Pistons
12) Hornets
13) Magic
14) Nets
15) Sixers
I think the Knicks could be in a dog fight with Indy and the Raptors for those bottom two seeds. Also, Chicago could slip - new coach, you never know about Rose, etc.
I think Chicago could actually improve. Fred hoiberg is a good coach. Derrick rose sucks and I think the team might be better off without him.
Atl could fall, as could Indy. Hornets should rise.
Pistons fall.
Miami a 2nd seed? Winslow and Dragic that much more improved? Amare too?
We'll find out soon enough!
As long as George is healthy Indy are practically guaranteed to make the playoffs. Us falling to 9th seed seems likely unless we see a change from Melo.
Nalod wrote:Atl could fall, as could Indy. Hornets should rise.
Pistons fall. Miami a 2nd seed? Winslow and Dragic that much more improved? Amare too?
We'll find out soon enough!
I'm assuming Bosh is healthy. Bosh and Dragic never got to play together.
TPercy wrote:As long as George is healthy Indy are practically guaranteed to make the playoffs. Us falling to 9th seed seems likely unless we see a change from Melo.
Indy lost its entire starting front court. I like PG13, but I'm not sure he moves the needle any more than Melo does on a team's record. If you compare the rest of the rosters, you could argue Knicks have a stronger roster than Indy. It's very close - I think each team will be neck and neck.
Also, a lot of people expect continued improvement from the Bucks (as do I), but they're a young team and young teams sometimes don't develop on a straight line. Also, Monroe is gonna kill their frontcourt defense.
crzymdups wrote:TPercy wrote:As long as George is healthy Indy are practically guaranteed to make the playoffs. Us falling to 9th seed seems likely unless we see a change from Melo.
Indy lost its entire starting front court. I like PG13, but I'm not sure he moves the needle any more than Melo does on a team's record. If you compare the rest of the rosters, you could argue Knicks have a stronger roster than Indy. It's very close - I think each team will be neck and neck.
Also, a lot of people expect continued improvement from the Bucks (as do I), but they're a young team and young teams sometimes don't develop on a straight line. Also, Monroe is gonna kill their frontcourt defense.
paul george is an elite glue player, an elite playmaker and defender. and a superb character guy.
if he can raise his 3-point shooting to closer to 40% he will become mvp of the league one day, providing he returns 100%.
if i could i would swap melo for paul george faster than the speed of light.
dk7th wrote:crzymdups wrote:TPercy wrote:As long as George is healthy Indy are practically guaranteed to make the playoffs. Us falling to 9th seed seems likely unless we see a change from Melo.
Indy lost its entire starting front court. I like PG13, but I'm not sure he moves the needle any more than Melo does on a team's record. If you compare the rest of the rosters, you could argue Knicks have a stronger roster than Indy. It's very close - I think each team will be neck and neck.
Also, a lot of people expect continued improvement from the Bucks (as do I), but they're a young team and young teams sometimes don't develop on a straight line. Also, Monroe is gonna kill their frontcourt defense.
paul george is an elite glue player, an elite playmaker and defender. and a superb character guy.
if he can raise his 3-point shooting to closer to 40% he will become mvp of the league one day, providing he returns 100%.
if i could i would swap melo for paul george faster than the speed of light.
You have to question his character though. Accused of sleeping with Hibberts girl, caught in a catfish scheme, and I believe was open about not wanting Stephenson back. Rumors were that what was going on between Hibbert and George brought that team/locker room down.
crzymdups wrote:TPercy wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:It wouldn't be a miracle if the Knicks made the playoffs, half the teams in the league makes the playoffs! It's a coin flip 50/50 guess really, so Barkley is making a "smart" prediction actually.
Yeah, but are we better than half the league?
I could see the East falling like this:
1) Cleveland
2) Miami
3) Atlanta
4) Chicago
5) Washington
6) Milwaukee
7) Raptors
8) Pacers
9) Knicks
10) Celtics
11) Pistons
12) Hornets
13) Magic
14) Nets
15) Sixers
I think the Knicks could be in a dog fight with Indy and the Raptors for those bottom two seeds. Also, Chicago could slip - new coach, you never know about Rose, etc.
why would toronto fall so far?
ChuckBuck wrote:The Brooklyn Nets made the playoffs in the Leastern Conference with 38 wins, so making the playoffs is not a great accomplishment.Just be glad the Knicks have a legitimate chance at playoff bball in the weak east. In the western conference, 50 wins doesn't guarantee a a playoff spot sometimes!
Making the playoffs though would mean we hit on many of our new additions. Making the playoffs even in the weak east and under the format they have with rookies like Grant and KP6 is way different then making the playoffs with veteran team. Would also mean Affalo and Williams or Quinn and or Lopez all had good seasons. Would mean the triangle was successful. And that Phil was able to find gems for low budget prices whicg the TRI opened up there games. Given the ages and value we got most of these guys at. Making the playoffs would be a big accomplishment for Phil.
CrushAlot wrote:dk7th wrote:crzymdups wrote:TPercy wrote:As long as George is healthy Indy are practically guaranteed to make the playoffs. Us falling to 9th seed seems likely unless we see a change from Melo.
Indy lost its entire starting front court. I like PG13, but I'm not sure he moves the needle any more than Melo does on a team's record. If you compare the rest of the rosters, you could argue Knicks have a stronger roster than Indy. It's very close - I think each team will be neck and neck.
Also, a lot of people expect continued improvement from the Bucks (as do I), but they're a young team and young teams sometimes don't develop on a straight line. Also, Monroe is gonna kill their frontcourt defense.
paul george is an elite glue player, an elite playmaker and defender. and a superb character guy.
if he can raise his 3-point shooting to closer to 40% he will become mvp of the league one day, providing he returns 100%.
if i could i would swap melo for paul george faster than the speed of light.
You have to question his character though. Accused of sleeping with Hibberts girl, caught in a catfish scheme, and I believe was open about not wanting Stephenson back. Rumors were that what was going on between Hibbert and George brought that team/locker room down.
yes these are unsavory events that do make one wonder. on a skill level and on defensive effort and heart i would still do that deal.
dk7th wrote:crzymdups wrote:TPercy wrote:As long as George is healthy Indy are practically guaranteed to make the playoffs. Us falling to 9th seed seems likely unless we see a change from Melo.
Indy lost its entire starting front court. I like PG13, but I'm not sure he moves the needle any more than Melo does on a team's record. If you compare the rest of the rosters, you could argue Knicks have a stronger roster than Indy. It's very close - I think each team will be neck and neck.
Also, a lot of people expect continued improvement from the Bucks (as do I), but they're a young team and young teams sometimes don't develop on a straight line. Also, Monroe is gonna kill their frontcourt defense.
paul george is an elite glue player, an elite playmaker and defender. and a superb character guy.
if he can raise his 3-point shooting to closer to 40% he will become mvp of the league one day, providing he returns 100%.
if i could i would swap melo for paul george faster than the speed of light.
He is your pick for a superb character guy??..Is that when he isn't knocking up strippers and denying it before the paternity test??
I think dk might mean character on the the court, however , the stuff I hear about off the court is quite concerning.
I would easily do a George for melo trade provided that George recovere fully back to his normal self.
newyorknewyork wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:The Brooklyn Nets made the playoffs in the Leastern Conference with 38 wins, so making the playoffs is not a great accomplishment.Just be glad the Knicks have a legitimate chance at playoff bball in the weak east. In the western conference, 50 wins doesn't guarantee a a playoff spot sometimes!
Making the playoffs though would mean we hit on many of our new additions. Making the playoffs even in the weak east and under the format they have with rookies like Grant and KP6 is way different then making the playoffs with veteran team. Would also mean Affalo and Williams or Quinn and or Lopez all had good seasons. Would mean the triangle was successful. And that Phil was able to find gems for low budget prices whicg the TRI opened up there games. Given the ages and value we got most of these guys at. Making the playoffs would be a big accomplishment for Phil.
Not arguing the process. It takes years to build a contender.
Just saying whether we make it or not doesn't necessarily mean we hit on our picks/pickups. Means the competition around us is that bad.
I'm more concerned with seeing steady improvement and plant budding and growing, than making it as an 8th seed. Development is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more important than playoff experience this year, see Golden State from a few years back.
Triangle and Phil are already successful in my eyes. This year will be a wash, just getting all the new additions on the same page and build chemistry may take most of the season. To me, making the playoffs hinges on whether Me7o will buy into the Triangle/Team concept. If he does, he's dishing the rock, everyone contributes, and we probably make it. If he doesn't, we won't make the playoffs, and hopefully it's not at the expense at the growth of our younger players.
