nixluva wrote:TPercy wrote:blkexec wrote:nixluva wrote:KP6 looked more NBA ready than some of our guys who were coming back from last year. He would find some protection being in that SL with RoLo and Melo. His ability to move and catch and shoot would be a perfect fit in that group. He sets good screens and can score out of PnR/P situations. Of course he can also shoot the 3 which makes him uniquely qualified to be in the starting line up. KP6 makes the unit stronger on both ends. I wouldn't be that worried about KP6 vs. Griffin. You can't hide the kid. He would turn Griffin into a jump shooter. KP6 could just back off of him and use his length and quickness. KP6 showed that he's a capable defender and with pro instruction he should get even better.
Griffin first step and explosiveness is too much for KP to handle right now. He can handle the OK4 or Zacks of the world. But the Kevin Durrants or Griffin types of bigs, with guard like first steps, would cause problems. I'm sure KP would figure it out, but initially it's a nightmare matchup.
I agree but also.keep in mind that Porzingis is also a pretty quick athlete himself. If it comes to the worst, we insert him know the second unit.
IMO People are underestimating how quick and long KP actually is. How many 7'ers can you think of who are as nimble and quick as KP? WCS is one and he's just coming into the league. Were not used to seeing a guy that tall and long and quick. He still needs to learn better defensive technique and adjust to the speed of NBA players. It's hard to get past him if he's backed off. It's hard to get up over KP when he's fully extended. Besides we don't intend on defending on an island. It's gonna be about team defense. With KP and RoLo teams are gonna have a much harder time scoring around the basket. Phil said he wants to see the team use more pressure against opposing guards. More traps and to hedge them to the sidelines.
Phil - I'd like us to exert more pressure in the backcourt. Press, trap, push sideline. Make opposing guards work to get the ball across the timeline, something that will tire them out late in the game -- this is extremely important. And after being pressured hard for eight feet or so, it will also be difficult for guards to continue their dribble deep into the attack zone. Pressure defenses also require opposing bigs to come help their guards and subsequently make quick decisions far away from their comfort zones.
Yeah make no mistake Porzingis is pretty damn quick for his size. Not WCS quick but good enough to hold his own. My only concern that Phil also addressed is that he his core strength is going to be a huge weakness and KP6 is going to have to really rely on his quickness and his length when defending explosive guys like Blake Griifin.
TPercy wrote:nixluva wrote:TPercy wrote:blkexec wrote:nixluva wrote:KP6 looked more NBA ready than some of our guys who were coming back from last year. He would find some protection being in that SL with RoLo and Melo. His ability to move and catch and shoot would be a perfect fit in that group. He sets good screens and can score out of PnR/P situations. Of course he can also shoot the 3 which makes him uniquely qualified to be in the starting line up. KP6 makes the unit stronger on both ends. I wouldn't be that worried about KP6 vs. Griffin. You can't hide the kid. He would turn Griffin into a jump shooter. KP6 could just back off of him and use his length and quickness. KP6 showed that he's a capable defender and with pro instruction he should get even better.
Griffin first step and explosiveness is too much for KP to handle right now. He can handle the OK4 or Zacks of the world. But the Kevin Durrants or Griffin types of bigs, with guard like first steps, would cause problems. I'm sure KP would figure it out, but initially it's a nightmare matchup.
I agree but also.keep in mind that Porzingis is also a pretty quick athlete himself. If it comes to the worst, we insert him know the second unit.
IMO People are underestimating how quick and long KP actually is. How many 7'ers can you think of who are as nimble and quick as KP? WCS is one and he's just coming into the league. Were not used to seeing a guy that tall and long and quick. He still needs to learn better defensive technique and adjust to the speed of NBA players. It's hard to get past him if he's backed off. It's hard to get up over KP when he's fully extended. Besides we don't intend on defending on an island. It's gonna be about team defense. With KP and RoLo teams are gonna have a much harder time scoring around the basket. Phil said he wants to see the team use more pressure against opposing guards. More traps and to hedge them to the sidelines.
Phil - I'd like us to exert more pressure in the backcourt. Press, trap, push sideline. Make opposing guards work to get the ball across the timeline, something that will tire them out late in the game -- this is extremely important. And after being pressured hard for eight feet or so, it will also be difficult for guards to continue their dribble deep into the attack zone. Pressure defenses also require opposing bigs to come help their guards and subsequently make quick decisions far away from their comfort zones.
Yeah make no mistake Porzingis is pretty damn quick for his size. Not WCS quick but good enough to hold his own. My only concern that Phil also addressed is that he his core strength is going to be a huge weakness and KP6 is going to have to really rely on his quickness and his length when defending explosive guys like Blake Griifin.
What it seemed like KP6 learned to do against OK4 is basically engulf him like an amoeba! He used his length to deny OK4 and then tower over him like a tree. He just swallowed him up like Mr. Fantastic.
Ideally, I would like to see Porzingis come off the bench for a while to get as much PT with Grant as possible. Get that bball esp thing going. Want Grant to play well enough to start. Working well with Porzingis will help him get there. Hoping to see the same kind of chemistry Jax had with Ewing his first few years in league.
GustavBahler wrote:Ideally, I would like to see Porzingis come off the bench for a while to get as much PT with Grant as possible. Get that bball esp thing going. Want Grant to play well enough to start. Working well with Porzingis will help him get there. Hoping to see the same kind of chemistry Jax had with Ewing his first few years in league.
Don't know if it will happen but i get the feeling they expect KP6 to start. Otherwise why worry about having someone ahead of him like LMA? I think the kid has the skills and IQ to play in this league. As a PF he's gonna be able to move and do what he does best already. He only needs a split second to get his shot off. I can't think of anyone who's gonna be able to chase him and actually get a hand on his jumper. IMO KP6 is gonna eventually have the same kind of advantages that Dirk has. Too big for smaller PF's and too quick for bigger players. Too skilled to stop.
As for Jerian, the only one in his way is Jose. I don't believe that it's going to be that hard to beat out Jose for a starting role. He's a more physically talented player than Jose. Not the shooter, but he can defend, push the ball, pass and break down a defense and get to the rim. Kid can flat out play. I see no reason to try and protect Jerian being Jose. Let him play. He's the future of this team at guard. Of all the offensive systems, the Triangle puts the least pressure on the PG position. I think Jerian can handle this role.
nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Ideally, I would like to see Porzingis come off the bench for a while to get as much PT with Grant as possible. Get that bball esp thing going. Want Grant to play well enough to start. Working well with Porzingis will help him get there. Hoping to see the same kind of chemistry Jax had with Ewing his first few years in league.
Don't know if it will happen but i get the feeling they expect KP6 to start. Otherwise why worry about having someone ahead of him like LMA? I think the kid has the skills and IQ to play in this league. As a PF he's gonna be able to move and do what he does best already. He only needs a split second to get his shot off. I can't think of anyone who's gonna be able to chase him and actually get a hand on his jumper. IMO KP6 is gonna eventually have the same kind of advantages that Dirk has. Too big for smaller PF's and too quick for bigger players. Too skilled to stop.As for Jerian, the only one in his way is Jose. I don't believe that it's going to be that hard to beat out Jose for a starting role. He's a more physically talented player than Jose. Not the shooter, but he can defend, push the ball, pass and break down a defense and get to the rim. Kid can flat out play. I see no reason to try and protect Jerian being Jose. Let him play. He's the future of this team at guard. Of all the offensive systems, the Triangle puts the least pressure on the PG position. I think Jerian can handle this role.
i am not certain that starting is the issue so much as minutes played and with whom... it's a system-based offense-- besides it's not who starts but who finishes. ideally it should be the smartest, best-conditioned, and defensive-minded who get the most minutes playing together. and that has to be the focus of fisher and his staff during training camp and pre-season.
dk7th wrote:nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Ideally, I would like to see Porzingis come off the bench for a while to get as much PT with Grant as possible. Get that bball esp thing going. Want Grant to play well enough to start. Working well with Porzingis will help him get there. Hoping to see the same kind of chemistry Jax had with Ewing his first few years in league.
Don't know if it will happen but i get the feeling they expect KP6 to start. Otherwise why worry about having someone ahead of him like LMA? I think the kid has the skills and IQ to play in this league. As a PF he's gonna be able to move and do what he does best already. He only needs a split second to get his shot off. I can't think of anyone who's gonna be able to chase him and actually get a hand on his jumper. IMO KP6 is gonna eventually have the same kind of advantages that Dirk has. Too big for smaller PF's and too quick for bigger players. Too skilled to stop.As for Jerian, the only one in his way is Jose. I don't believe that it's going to be that hard to beat out Jose for a starting role. He's a more physically talented player than Jose. Not the shooter, but he can defend, push the ball, pass and break down a defense and get to the rim. Kid can flat out play. I see no reason to try and protect Jerian being Jose. Let him play. He's the future of this team at guard. Of all the offensive systems, the Triangle puts the least pressure on the PG position. I think Jerian can handle this role.
i am not certain that starting is the issue so much as minutes played and with whom... it's a system-based offense-- besides it's not who starts but who finishes. ideally it should be the smartest, best-conditioned, and defensive-minded who get the most minutes playing together. and that has to be the focus of fisher and his staff during training camp and pre-season.
I don't disagree. I just think that KP6 and Jerian are actually 2 of our most talented and skilled players. Even as rookies!!! They both know how to play the game at a high level already. KP6 was already playing pro ball. It's not like he doesn't have a clue of what to do. He still has a lot to learn but his base level is high enough for him to have a role and possibly start. Jerian is the most complete guard we've drafted in a long time. We knew TD and Shump were projects. Jerian is a legit floor general already.
blkexec wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:I am hoping that PG - Calderon
SG - Afflalo
SF - Derrick Williams
PF - Melo
C - Lopez
is the way it shakes out... Melo was so much better as a PF than a SF last year
He may not deserve it but I think DWill as a SF gives us size and speed. Melo as a PF gives us plenty of mis matches. Then you can bring in KP for DWill. And Grant for Calderon.
And I agree....Melo at PF doesn't have to use so much energy moving laterally, chaising SF around. DWill is younger and should have more youth energy for that. Melo is entering the end of his NBA career. He wants everything to be easy, which makes him injury free. At PF, the game is easy for him on offense. But as a SF or PF, his problems will be on defense.
Not sure if mentioned already but that won't provide mismatches. Teams will just assign Melo as the SF and DW PF.
I agree with Briggs assessment of current roster. His projected 1st unit is more deliberate and fits Carmelo. 2nd unit is more athletic with questionable scoring. However, it's way too early to reach any conclusions. Let's see how things play out in camp. Between the rookies and free agents, you just don't know. I have a cousin who is a partial season ticket holder down in Washington. He's seen a lot of Serapin. Says he has underrated scoring ability but he questions his defense and toughness. For Galloway to have an impact, he has to morph into a gritty defensive guard who can contain penetration and play off the ball. It will be a dog fight for last 2-3 playoff spots. Knicks have an outside chance if Melo plays well and a couple of the new players surprise. Maybe Phil and staff see potential that can surface in a different setting - we can only hope. Given the hole they dug for themselves over the years, I like their direction. It will be slow going but they have no other choice. They weren't getting the big free agents. Looking back, the Bargs trade really hurts with no 2016 pick.
