Knicks · Derrick Williams Is NY's Most Important Player In 2015-16.. (page 1)

holfresh @ 9/26/2015 3:13 PM
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Are you sitting down? You might want to before I release the hottest take of the entire summer — OK, are you good? If the New York Knicks — the very same team that finished a game behind a Philadelphia 76ers franchise that was openly trying to fail — are to return to the NBA Playoffs in 2015-16, then Derrick Williams is the most important piece of the puzzle.

Not Carmelo Anthony, not Kristaps Porzingis, not Arron Afflalo — it is the wayward former No. 2 overall pick that will ultimately decide the fate of the franchise so desperate to return to relevancy.

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Williams, who averaged 8.3 points and 2.7 rebounds in 19 minutes per game behind Jason Thompson in Sacramento last year, now finds himself as the Knicks’ deputized power forward with just the 20-year-old Latvian and Lou Amundson as his backup. Last April, the Knicks trotted out a torrid Cole Aldrich–Jason Smith frontcourt, so it’s hard not to see the potential upside in Williams despite the underwhelming start to his career thus far.

In Anthony’s final game before shutting it down in February, he labored through a 9-of-20 shooting night for 24 points — but the Knicks lost by 14. Their next highest leading scorer was Amar’e Stoudemire, who is now in Miami, with 14 points and the promising Langston Galloway with nine.

The following game, in the absence of their only All-Star, the aforementioned Jason Smith put up an insane 25 shots against Orlando; then Galloway lead the team in attempts twice in row, followed by the ever-volatile Andrea Bargnani chipping in with team-highs along the way towards a dismal 7-21 finish.

Needless to say, the Knicks were a bad team with Anthony, but they were absolutely abysmal without him. When you depend on Stoudemire’s old bones, Galloway’s streaky shooting, or the enigma of Bargnani on a nightly basis — P.S.: good luck, Brooklyn — then you’re asking for trouble. Last season, the Knicks were a staggeringly bad 5-22 in games where Anthony shot 49.9 percent or lower from the field. On the other hand, the Knicks were just 5-8 in games that he shot .500 or better — which leads us to two conclusions:

1. The Knicks were really bad last year.
2. Even so, Anthony cannot do it on his own.

The signings of Robin Lopez and Arron Afflalo should help buoy the Knicks’ offense, but probably not as much as people assume. Lopez scored over 20 points just once last year and Afflalo, a three-point shooter whose three-point percentage dropped from 43 percent to 35 percent in 2014-2015, isn’t the slasher he used to be. Enter Derrick Williams.

Of course, the problems with Williams are the same as they’ve always been — he’d like to play small forward, but he’s not a fantastic jump shooter and is a bit undersized to guard athletes like LeBron James. Additionally, Williams is just 6’8″ and the majority of power forwards easily outweigh him in the post. However, on a very basic level, Williams will be asked to score this year in New York — and boy, oh, boy, can he score.

Thanks to Phil Jackson and Derek Fisher’s affinity for the Triangle, it’s likely that the Knicks will start with Derrick Williams at power forward as the offense will require Anthony at the 3. This, ultimately, will allow Williams room for creativity and plenty of one-on-one situations, something that the smaller, quicker tweener can use to his advantage.

In the very likely situation that Anthony ends up in his preferred low-post position, teams won’t be able to crash on him as Williams has proven himself to be plenty capable from behind the arc in brief glimpses. A blistering 56 percent season at Arizona in 2010 is far in the past, but Williams is just 24 years of age, so there’s time to improve.


What you see in the highlights linked here is a smattering display of alley-oops, dunks and athletic plays around the rim. Among the laundry list of missing pieces in New York, the closest things they had to freak athletes were traded to Cleveland before the deadline. If there is an opportunity to run the floor in 2015, it will likely be Williams making the effort and execution.

Divisionally, Williams will have 12 games against the average to below-average defending of Brooklyn’s Thaddeus Young and Thomas Robinson; Boston’s David Lee, Jared Sullinger, and Amir Johnson; and Toronto’s Patrick Patterson and Luis Scola. Only against Philadelphia, ironically, will Williams be completely overmatched, but the other opportunities should have him salivating.

With nobody behind him except for the tiny, un-NBA-ready Porzingis and a stunning lack of other athletes around him, Williams could be in for a wonderfully above average season. Simply just being a great scoring athlete should take plenty of the pressure and load off of Anthony’s back night after night. With Galloway, Anthony and Afflalo all scoping out the perimeter, there should be plenty of room for Williams to do what he does best: slash, cut and abuse slower defenders.

At the end of the day, New York is taking a small gamble on a potentially huge reward. Last year, particularly after the departure of J.R. Smith, Anthony was the only reliable creator of offense for the Knicks, so Williams will pay immediate dividends on that end. Now, this isn’t to say that Williams is the odds on favorite to win the NBA’s Most Improved Player, but don’t be surprised when he has the best year of his young career.

holfresh @ 9/26/2015 5:22 PM
Wow..DWill getting no love..
CrushAlot @ 9/26/2015 5:25 PM
Phil just told Begley Melo is the power forward.
holfresh @ 9/26/2015 5:45 PM
CrushAlot wrote:Phil just told Begley Melo is the power forward.

“One of the reasons why we really thought Robin would be the best fit for us as a center was that it would allow us to be more flexible as a team and Carmelo can play more of a ‘4’,” Jackson said on Friday. “As opposed to maybe a Greg Monroe who is not the same size, not the same defensive player.”

“A lot of how Carmelo is going to approach the game is who’s going to guard him and the matchups that go along with that process,” Jackson said. “One of our reasons to get [free agent Derrick] Williams was the fact here’s a guy 6-8 who can play 3s, 4s, interchangeable, has the speed and activity to play with or for Carmelo in any situation.”

If this is the conversation from Friday, I think Phil was stressing flexibility...

CrushAlot @ 9/26/2015 5:47 PM
holfresh wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Phil just told Begley Melo is the power forward.

“One of the reasons why we really thought Robin would be the best fit for us as a center was that it would allow us to be more flexible as a team and Carmelo can play more of a ‘4’,” Jackson said on Friday. “As opposed to maybe a Greg Monroe who is not the same size, not the same defensive player.”

“A lot of how Carmelo is going to approach the game is who’s going to guard him and the matchups that go along with that process,” Jackson said. “One of our reasons to get [free agent Derrick] Williams was the fact here’s a guy 6-8 who can play 3s, 4s, interchangeable, has the speed and activity to play with or for Carmelo in any situation.”

If this is the conversation from Friday, I think Phil was stressing flexibility...

Not sure. I went to the msg site last night to watch the presser but was too tired after work to listen to Phil.
nixluva @ 9/26/2015 6:29 PM
DWill could be an X Factor this year. He's got a lot more offensive ability than he's been allowed to display in other systems. In the Triangle his skills should be a good fit. This team actually needs some scoring punch when Melo sits. DWill can play with Melo and also slide into Melo's spot when Melo sits. It should help him knowing his role more clearly and being far more involved in the action rather than drifting on the perimeter as he had to in Sacramento.
wargames @ 9/26/2015 7:16 PM
I will say this if D Will does well in NY playing the triangle. He would join a long list of players who would be scrubs on most less system oriented teams. A lot of notable roleplayers on those good triangle teams tended to play above their actual skill level.

I think Galloway is another one of those guys. For all the S*iT he gets in the media he was a second team rookie and wasn't even drafted. His understanding of the triangle got him called up and he's done pretty damn good. D Will was talented but played on crappy teams that never gave him a role. He fits into the same framework as Galloway where the triangle might make him better. So I can see why Phil decided to take the gamble.

WaltLongmire @ 9/26/2015 7:34 PM
holfresh wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Phil just told Begley Melo is the power forward.

“One of the reasons why we really thought Robin would be the best fit for us as a center was that it would allow us to be more flexible as a team and Carmelo can play more of a ‘4’,” Jackson said on Friday. “As opposed to maybe a Greg Monroe who is not the same size, not the same defensive player.”

“A lot of how Carmelo is going to approach the game is who’s going to guard him and the matchups that go along with that process,” Jackson said. “One of our reasons to get [free agent Derrick] Williams was the fact here’s a guy 6-8 who can play 3s, 4s, interchangeable, has the speed and activity to play with or for Carmelo in any situation.”

If this is the conversation from Friday, I think Phil was stressing flexibility...


Yup...that's what I got from it too.
WaltLongmire @ 9/26/2015 7:39 PM
What a bonus for the team if Williams emerges as a capable and consistent player...I have big doubts about him, though.

Happy to be proven wrong...really hope I am.

nixluva @ 9/26/2015 8:50 PM
IMO if you watch how he was used next to Cousins and Gay, DWill was an afterthought and lingered behind the 3 pt line a lot. Sure he could sneak baseline for some easy scores but it was kind of random. Thing is he will always be able to score that way or in transition. It's getting him more in the flow of the offense so that he's more efficient. Of course he also has to defend and rebound MUCH better.
knicks1248 @ 9/26/2015 9:25 PM
wargames wrote:I will say this if D Will does well in NY playing the triangle. He would join a long list of players who would be scrubs on most less system oriented teams. A lot of notable roleplayers on those good triangle teams tended to play above their actual skill level.

I think Galloway is another one of those guys. For all the S*iT he gets in the media he was a second team rookie and wasn't even drafted. His understanding of the triangle got him called up and he's done pretty damn good. D Will was talented but played on crappy teams that never gave him a role. He fits into the same framework as Galloway where the triangle might make him better. So I can see why Phil decided to take the gamble.

with the amount of back door cuts in the triangle, and slashing, this kid should have a very good season.

The only problem he may have is if Early and Prigs are also playing well, thats when you start playing 11 guys and that can be a chemistry killer

martin @ 9/26/2015 10:08 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
wargames wrote:I will say this if D Will does well in NY playing the triangle. He would join a long list of players who would be scrubs on most less system oriented teams. A lot of notable roleplayers on those good triangle teams tended to play above their actual skill level.

I think Galloway is another one of those guys. For all the S*iT he gets in the media he was a second team rookie and wasn't even drafted. His understanding of the triangle got him called up and he's done pretty damn good. D Will was talented but played on crappy teams that never gave him a role. He fits into the same framework as Galloway where the triangle might make him better. So I can see why Phil decided to take the gamble.

with the amount of back door cuts in the triangle, and slashing, this kid should have a very good season.

The only problem he may have is if Early and Prigs are also playing well, thats when you start playing 11 guys and that can be a chemistry killer

Lots of guys playing well is a problem?

nixluva @ 9/27/2015 1:38 AM
martin wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
wargames wrote:I will say this if D Will does well in NY playing the triangle. He would join a long list of players who would be scrubs on most less system oriented teams. A lot of notable roleplayers on those good triangle teams tended to play above their actual skill level.

I think Galloway is another one of those guys. For all the S*iT he gets in the media he was a second team rookie and wasn't even drafted. His understanding of the triangle got him called up and he's done pretty damn good. D Will was talented but played on crappy teams that never gave him a role. He fits into the same framework as Galloway where the triangle might make him better. So I can see why Phil decided to take the gamble.

with the amount of back door cuts in the triangle, and slashing, this kid should have a very good season.

The only problem he may have is if Early and Prigs are also playing well, thats when you start playing 11 guys and that can be a chemistry killer

Lots of guys playing well is a problem?

The Spurs are able to get good mileage out of their full roster. The chemistry thing is about every player knowing what their role is and what to expect from their teammates. Going with an extended rotation from time to time shouldn't harm the chemistry of the main rotation players IMO. It's been done before. I think it can help preserve your best players for the long season and hopefully the playoffs.

EnySpree @ 9/27/2015 8:18 AM
A case could be made for every big man the Knicks have. I really like Seraphin but I actually like O'Quinn as the starter with Melo. Then you have Early who could make am impact as melo back up. Kristaps has gotta make an impact too some kind of way. So I don't think Derrick Williams has to do anything. If he does that's great, but one of the guys I mentioned here will not play.... tough tough tough training camp and I absolutely love it
nixluva @ 9/27/2015 2:40 PM
EnySpree wrote:A case could be made for every big man the Knicks have. I really like Seraphin but I actually like O'Quinn as the starter with Melo. Then you have Early who could make am impact as melo back up. Kristaps has gotta make an impact too some kind of way. So I don't think Derrick Williams has to do anything. If he does that's great, but one of the guys I mentioned here will not play.... tough tough tough training camp and I absolutely love it

Yes I agree that having guys battle it out for PT should make this a very productive TC. We have a much better crop of forwards this year. Guys will have to earn a spot in the rotation.
knicks1248 @ 9/27/2015 2:51 PM
martin wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
wargames wrote:I will say this if D Will does well in NY playing the triangle. He would join a long list of players who would be scrubs on most less system oriented teams. A lot of notable roleplayers on those good triangle teams tended to play above their actual skill level.

I think Galloway is another one of those guys. For all the S*iT he gets in the media he was a second team rookie and wasn't even drafted. His understanding of the triangle got him called up and he's done pretty damn good. D Will was talented but played on crappy teams that never gave him a role. He fits into the same framework as Galloway where the triangle might make him better. So I can see why Phil decided to take the gamble.

with the amount of back door cuts in the triangle, and slashing, this kid should have a very good season.

The only problem he may have is if Early and Prigs are also playing well, thats when you start playing 11 guys and that can be a chemistry killer

Lots of guys playing well is a problem?

It's a problem when your minutes are sporadic, and your role is not defined. Playing guys token minutes does more harm than good.

The biggest issue i had with fisher was playing a guy 7 minutes one night, then not playing him at all the next game, then playing him for 30 minute 2 games later. There were guys who started the game, then came off the bench in the 2nd half.

Are you telling me that's good?

How do players get into rhythm like that.

knickscity @ 9/27/2015 7:49 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
wargames wrote:I will say this if D Will does well in NY playing the triangle. He would join a long list of players who would be scrubs on most less system oriented teams. A lot of notable roleplayers on those good triangle teams tended to play above their actual skill level.

I think Galloway is another one of those guys. For all the S*iT he gets in the media he was a second team rookie and wasn't even drafted. His understanding of the triangle got him called up and he's done pretty damn good. D Will was talented but played on crappy teams that never gave him a role. He fits into the same framework as Galloway where the triangle might make him better. So I can see why Phil decided to take the gamble.

with the amount of back door cuts in the triangle, and slashing, this kid should have a very good season.

The only problem he may have is if Early and Prigs are also playing well, thats when you start playing 11 guys and that can be a chemistry killer

Lots of guys playing well is a problem?

It's a problem when your minutes are sporadic, and your role is not defined. Playing guys token minutes does more harm than good.

The biggest issue i had with fisher was playing a guy 7 minutes one night, then not playing him at all the next game, then playing him for 30 minute 2 games later. There were guys who started the game, then came off the bench in the 2nd half.

Are you telling me that's good?

How do players get into rhythm like that.


I dont see how it's an issue if they playing well. Now if they arent thats a different story.
nixluva @ 9/27/2015 8:21 PM
Having good depth would be a blessing. Having guys earn starting roles would be even better. I think there should be better competition than last year when almost no one separated themselves. I expect the competition to be more intense and clear winners to emerge.
CrushAlot @ 9/28/2015 9:23 PM
I think Afflalo, and Rolo will be extremely important. I think Afflalo is the second leading scorer at 15-16 a game. I also think Calderon bounces back a bit.
BRIGGS @ 9/28/2015 10:34 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:What a bonus for the team if Williams emerges as a capable and consistent player...I have big doubts about him, though.

Happy to be proven wrong...really hope I am.

I think he will be fine here. Maybe hge starts with Carmelo maybe he comes off the bench--but I think he has a chance to do what Demarre Carroll did over a few years to revive his career.

nixluva @ 9/28/2015 11:13 PM
CrushAlot wrote:I think Afflalo, and Rolo will be extremely important. I think Afflalo is the second leading scorer at 15-16 a game. I also think Calderon bounces back a bit.

They are the key to this team having a winning season. Whenever our starters around Melo are productive from the Center and SG Spot and we get reliable PG play this team has played above .500. They don't have to be great. They just have to be good or solid and representative NBA players for their positions, which I believe they will be. Then when you look at the rest of the roster there's some good talent. I like this team and I think it's going to be WAY better than people think.

The improved talent, competition and character of the team should help a guy like DWill too. A lot of these guys are gonna be fighting for PT.

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