Knicks · KP already limited by knee (page 2)

He is definitely overdoing it.

No need whatsoever to gain all his weight in his rookie season at 20 years old.

I would've kept him in the 230s for this season to get a sense of his lateral quickness and agility.

God this team will never do anything right.

nixluva wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I do have concern here. First off he may be over-doing it training wise.

Secondly he will have to be careful in his career with his size. Thats one reason why I like him @ center. He sets up in limited space cutting down movement. He doesnt have to over train his body for speed jumping ability etc.. thats why I said he should train like a Jabbar or a Mchale--not a mobile PF or SF. Hes 7-3 and there is NO other player in NBA history who played a NON C position at that height.

I've said I think he may be our center (at least part of the time) down the road and I like him playing closer to the basket as opposed to jacking up long jump shots.

Rick Smits anyone?

What the Freak does this injury have to do with him posting up, which I might add is WAY more strenuous than being a shooter from the perimeter! KP is still gonna do a lot of running and he's young and still growing into his frame. There was a freak out when he tweaked his hip and now this. People need to relax and let the kid go thru his 1st season. I'm sure his going up against Seraphin in practice was pretty fatiguing. KP talks about that a lot. He also talks about the two a day practices and perhaps he is just feeling it like most players do, but this is a young guy trying to deal with the work load.

“It’s just like a wrong movement and a got a little pinch in the knee,” the 7-3 power forward said after practice. “But it’s fine. I practiced today limited and then they pulled me off. Tomorrow I’ll be going 100 percent.”

Porzingis said it was a non-contact injury suffered in a drill with no defenders.

He was examined by the team’s medical staff but no tests were performed. Fisher said Porzingis “tweaked his IT band”, an injury that is sometimes related to overuse.

“Five-on-zero [drill] just something happened. It’s not a big deal,” he said.

“It’s two hard practices everyday so that probably -- my legs, little sore -- so maybe that’s what caused the whole thing on the knee,” Porzingis said.

The knee injury aside, teammates and coaches have been impressed with the 20-year-old Latvian thus far.

Fisher sees a different player than the one he coached in Summer League.

“I think physically he’s definitely filled out some and is stronger. I think he just looks more sure of what’s going to happen,” Fisher said. “When you don’t really know what something feels like it’s tough to go out and feel comfortable and confident in who you are. He just seems more settled in terms of what to expect playing in the NBA. The size and strength of guys that he’s going to be playing against -- there’s a more relaxed nature that you see.”

nixluva--I think the Knick need to balance whats fair in terms of output for a guy who is 7-3 and still growing. They should work with mds to make sure his output is not overworked. Playing C or even post up PF is much less taxing then a mobile 4 or even a 3. Being bodied is one thing--having to cut various times up and do0wn the court
is something else. Legend is right about Rik Smits. A better version of Rik Smits would be awesome.

Too much Usian Bolt techniques at one time. Lol.

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:Lou Amundson strained his back too. It F'n Training Camp! They said it's just precautionary. They don't want to take any chances on serious injury after what happened last year. I'm glad that they're being much more cautious with a young kid like KP.

The two-a-days finally got to Knicks rookie Kristaps Porzingis.
In what is the Knicks biggest fear, the 7-foot-3 first-round pick was sidelined for much of Thursday’s practice because of a sore left knee, missing the 5-on-5 scrimmage on the third day of sessions at West Point’s Christl Arena.

Porzingis said he expects to be back Friday after tweaking his knee during a 5-on-zero halfcourt drill.
“Just for cautious reasons I’m not practicing today, but I’ll be practicing tomorrow,’’ Porzingis said. “Just like from a wrong movement – a little pain, little pinch in the knee.’’
Porzingis said he wouldn’t classify it as a strain. Derek Fisher said Porzingis tweaked his “IT band,’’ an injury related to overuse.
Porzingis participated in the first half-hour of practice before sitting out the hour-long scrimmages. The Knicks will treat their No. 4 overall pick, whose build could be susceptible to injury, with extreme caution this early in his development.

“Our group is being cautious, and see how frustrated he was not to finish it,’’ Fisher said. “It’s a concern for all of our players, particularly young players still developing as men at 19 years old [Porzingis is 20] and 7-feet. He’s actually still growing. It’s something you have to be conscious of. We have individualized programs of development, and a big part of his is keeping him healthy and at times we have to make decisions to protect himself.’’

Porzingis said his Spanish league team had two-a-day practices last fall, but “it’s more intense here.’’
“They just want to make sure I’m totally healthy,’’ Porzingis said. “Just got to be careful.’’

Porzingis suffered a hip injury during his pre-draft workout with the Knicks, but that red flag didn’t stop Phil Jackson from drafting the Latvian native. Porzingis held up well during four games at July’s Las Vegas summer league, and Fisher thinks Porzingis is in better shape now and stronger. Porzingis has put on 11 pounds since weight training with the Knicks started in late July.

“Physically, he’s definitely filled out some and gotten stronger,’’ Fisher said. “He just looks more sure of what’s going to happen. When you don’t know what something feels like, it’s tough to feel confident. He just seems more settled on what to expect playing in the NBA – the size and strength of what he’ll be playing against. There’s a more relaxed nature. He’s more fit, stronger and in better shape.’’

The Knicks’ scrimmages Thursday were physical, highlighted by center Kevin Seraphin throwing down big man Kyle O’Quinn. Porzingis said it’s a good to be going against a beefy player such as Seraphin.

“He’s a huge dude,’’ Porzingis said. “It’s good for me to go up against him. He’s very heavy and big. Just to prepare myself for what’s ahead. He’s one the biggest dudes there are. That’s a good test for me in practices. Once the season starts, I’ll be used to it.’’

Porzingis still believes he’s in better condition than he’s ever been.

“I’m getting in better shape than I was in summer league,’’ Porzingis said. “I was coming off an injury that I had. I just had a week or so to prepare. One of the reasons I’m sitting out today was they’re telling me to look in the long run and be in great shape for the season and be ready for the season.’’

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I dont think anyone can comprehend what is 7-3. No player in history has played a non C position at that size. While I hope he can work hard--Knicks may need to be smart with KP from day 1. like Cryz says-- we dont want Yao Ming#2

Id keep him within 10 feet of the basket and learn every post move I could. he has the 10-12 ft jumpshot down. Moving him past 10 out to 3 puts him in position where he will use his body in a much more active way (unless hes a 7-3 steve novak) We dont want running and cutting--we want straight line and set up.

Yao stayed within 10ft of the basket and still his career was cut short. The height can possibly become an issue. Rik Smits also had foot problems but was very productive for a long time. I think KP's ceiling is greater than Smits

Its good to know we have plenty of bigs on tap going into this season. Would hate to see Porzingis getting hurt from too much, too soon.

Most of us knew that nagging injuries like this were going to pop up now and then, especially to a kid who is 7'3 and apparently still growing. Not worried since it appears to be only a strain and the staff isnt taking any chances.

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I do have concern here. First off he may be over-doing it training wise.

Secondly he will have to be careful in his career with his size. Thats one reason why I like him @ center. He sets up in limited space cutting down movement. He doesnt have to over train his body for speed jumping ability etc.. thats why I said he should train like a Jabbar or a Mchale--not a mobile PF or SF. Hes 7-3 and there is NO other player in NBA history who played a NON C position at that height.

I've said I think he may be our center (at least part of the time) down the road and I like him playing closer to the basket as opposed to jacking up long jump shots.

Rick Smits anyone?

What the Freak does this injury have to do with him posting up, which I might add is WAY more strenuous than being a shooter from the perimeter! KP is still gonna do a lot of running and he's young and still growing into his frame. There was a freak out when he tweaked his hip and now this. People need to relax and let the kid go thru his 1st season. I'm sure his going up against Seraphin in practice was pretty fatiguing. KP talks about that a lot. He also talks about the two a day practices and perhaps he is just feeling it like most players do, but this is a young guy trying to deal with the work load.

“It’s just like a wrong movement and a got a little pinch in the knee,” the 7-3 power forward said after practice. “But it’s fine. I practiced today limited and then they pulled me off. Tomorrow I’ll be going 100 percent.”

Porzingis said it was a non-contact injury suffered in a drill with no defenders.

He was examined by the team’s medical staff but no tests were performed. Fisher said Porzingis “tweaked his IT band”, an injury that is sometimes related to overuse.

“Five-on-zero [drill] just something happened. It’s not a big deal,” he said.

“It’s two hard practices everyday so that probably -- my legs, little sore -- so maybe that’s what caused the whole thing on the knee,” Porzingis said.

The knee injury aside, teammates and coaches have been impressed with the 20-year-old Latvian thus far.

Fisher sees a different player than the one he coached in Summer League.

“I think physically he’s definitely filled out some and is stronger. I think he just looks more sure of what’s going to happen,” Fisher said. “When you don’t really know what something feels like it’s tough to go out and feel comfortable and confident in who you are. He just seems more settled in terms of what to expect playing in the NBA. The size and strength of guys that he’s going to be playing against -- there’s a more relaxed nature that you see.”

nixluva--I think the Knick need to balance whats fair in terms of output for a guy who is 7-3 and still growing. They should work with mds to make sure his output is not overworked. Playing C or even post up PF is much less taxing then a mobile 4 or even a 3. Being bodied is one thing--having to cut various times up and do0wn the court
is something else. Legend is right about Rik Smits. A better version of Rik Smits would be awesome.

I really have no idea what it is you're trying to express. KP is an athlete and he's going to be putting stresses on his body no matter what position he plays. Centers get hurt all the time. It's not about Playing PF or C, Post up or Mid Range Shooter. Basically Dirk has been playing pretty much the way KP is likely to play for his entire career. What's the Problem?

When I was young I was a trainer and I think a lot of people are talking out of their ass when it comes to this. I think some are commenting negatively about how the Knicks are handling KP simply because it's the Knicks. They aren't saying the same things about how other young players have been handled. The Bucks must've really screwed up Jabari Parker cuz he tore his ACL on December 15th of last season. It's a contact sport and it's a high energy sport that puts wear and tear on joints. These guys are so tall that they are putting even more stress on those joints doing things the human body wasn't designed to be doing with such force.

Is this related at all in its type and/or specific leg to the tryout injury he had prior to drafting him?

I thought that also happened while he was running.

Might be time to limit the weight lifting, put him on a maintenance diet designed to keep his weight where it is now, and just let him play ball.

Said something along this line before...he's a kid with perhaps too much drive (usually a good thing) and I find it interesting that the two injuries he had came during draft workouts, and before training camp, both being significant proving grounds for him to show his talents.

The "pressure to prove" frequently leads to over exertion.

Just a thought.

Guy misses one day and already its panic city.

He's going to fully practice tomorrow. Not worried one bit... Kids a stud... It's training camp it's just extra care.. Can't believe this thread got to two full pages ... The kid is fine

Nalod wrote:Guy misses one day and already its panic city.

Knicks basketball is back baby!

Nalod wrote:Guy misses one day and already its panic city.

You got a new car...you're always overreacting to those early scratches.

WaltLongmire wrote:

Nalod wrote:Guy misses one day and already its panic city.

You got a new car...you're always overreacting to those early scratches.

Nice.

LivingLegend wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I do have concern here. First off he may be over-doing it training wise.

Secondly he will have to be careful in his career with his size. Thats one reason why I like him @ center. He sets up in limited space cutting down movement. He doesnt have to over train his body for speed jumping ability etc.. thats why I said he should train like a Jabbar or a Mchale--not a mobile PF or SF. Hes 7-3 and there is NO other player in NBA history who played a NON C position at that height.

I've said I think he may be our center (at least part of the time) down the road and I like him playing closer to the basket as opposed to jacking up long jump shots.

Rick Smits anyone?

kevin garnett with range

so every time KP sneezes or has an upset stomach we are gonna get the same BS posts from briggs?

PRICELESS!!

WaltLongmire wrote:

Nalod wrote:Guy misses one day and already its panic city.

You got a new car...you're always overreacting to those early scratches.

Man that's the worse lol

A poster on KB said that it is possible that this could be happening because KP is entering into another growth spurt. This caught my eye because when Phil and Fisher talk about Porzin6is they usually mention the fact that he is still growing. Which leads me to believe that the doctors examined him and saw that his growth plates are still open.

It is also caused by abnormal movement. Maybe he is doing too much. What exactly was the Knicks involved go with Hussain Bolt? Did the Knicks bring him in to train with KP? I would think the way Bolt trains is vey different than the way a 7'3 basketball player trains

gunsnewing wrote:It is also caused by abnormal movement. Maybe he is doing too much. What exactly was the Knicks involved go with Hussain Bolt? Did the Knicks bring him in to train with KP? I would think the way Bolt trains is vey different than the way a 7'3 basketball player trains

Nah, KP just watched videos of Bolt to see how to run better lol. Don't think it's helping him, looks like it's hurting him evidenced by the IT Band strain.

Don't think watching this 1000 times on loop will make anyone a better runner. Bolt's a freak of nature.

I think Inread that that was Steve Mills genius idea

gunsnewing wrote:I think Inread that that was Steve Mills genius idea

dude, you gotta put down the coffee or whatever you are drinking. Mills related an offhand story about KP being in cold tub icing down while watching Bolt videos.

JEEBUS!!! I really have no idea WTF is wrong with some us. This is stupid. If KP wants to learn how to sprint better there's nothing wrong with that and it's the LEAST problematic motion to be running straight ahead. The worst thing for the human body is to be moving fast and suddenly change direction. The twisting of joints caused by juke moves is much more damaging than walking, jogging or running straight ahead. However, too much of ANYTHING will be a problem. Seems like KP is just in need of some rest. He's obviously been going pretty hard and it caught up with him.