Knicks · OT: Lebron James has it right (gun control) (page 3)
Since we're posting facts.....
here's some more...facts.....
Now, a new study published in the Journal of Patient Safety reports between 210,000 and 440,000 patients each year suffer some type of preventable harm that contributes to their death. These harms may include patients getting the wrong medicine, surgical errors, or infections resulting when safety procedures are not followed. That makes medical malpractice the third leading cause of deaths in the U.S., following heart disease and cancer.
knickscity wrote:I care about deaths...period. Seems folks only care about guns, when guns havent killed a sole on their own, but rather improper and illegal use.Since we're posting facts.....
here's some more...facts.....
Now, a new study published in the Journal of Patient Safety reports between 210,000 and 440,000 patients each year suffer some type of preventable harm that contributes to their death. These harms may include patients getting the wrong medicine, surgical errors, or infections resulting when safety procedures are not followed. That makes medical malpractice the third leading cause of deaths in the U.S., following heart disease and cancer.
People have a choice in the US to smoke or drink..Accidents are going to happen because we are human..Take away the self inflicted deaths and the accidental deaths..The number one intentional and immediate killer in the US are guns according to your chart..
holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:I care about deaths...period. Seems folks only care about guns, when guns havent killed a sole on their own, but rather improper and illegal use.Since we're posting facts.....
here's some more...facts.....
Now, a new study published in the Journal of Patient Safety reports between 210,000 and 440,000 patients each year suffer some type of preventable harm that contributes to their death. These harms may include patients getting the wrong medicine, surgical errors, or infections resulting when safety procedures are not followed. That makes medical malpractice the third leading cause of deaths in the U.S., following heart disease and cancer.
People have a choice in the US to smoke or drink..Accidents are going to happen because we are human..Take away the self inflicted deaths and the accidental deaths..The number one intentional and immediate killer in the US are guns according to your chart..
people have a choice to have guns as well, they dont have a choice on when to kill innocent people though....Guns rep 1%, it's the lowest of all deaths by category. You have to eliminate them all to get gun death at number 1. And as I stated earlier the majority of deaths by guns are self inflicted as well....suicides, so you're corrected, take away the self inflicted and accidentals....the problem is alot lower than even that 1% figure.
knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:I care about deaths...period. Seems folks only care about guns, when guns havent killed a sole on their own, but rather improper and illegal use.Since we're posting facts.....
here's some more...facts.....
Now, a new study published in the Journal of Patient Safety reports between 210,000 and 440,000 patients each year suffer some type of preventable harm that contributes to their death. These harms may include patients getting the wrong medicine, surgical errors, or infections resulting when safety procedures are not followed. That makes medical malpractice the third leading cause of deaths in the U.S., following heart disease and cancer.
People have a choice in the US to smoke or drink..Accidents are going to happen because we are human..Take away the self inflicted deaths and the accidental deaths..The number one intentional and immediate killer in the US are guns according to your chart..
people have a choice to have guns as well, they dont have a choice on when to kill innocent people though....Guns rep 1%, it's the lowest of all deaths by category. You have to eliminate them all to get gun death at number 1. And as I stated earlier the majority of deaths by guns are self inflicted as well....suicides, so you're corrected, take away the self inflicted and accidentals....the problem is alot lower than even that 1% figure.
Even if it's lower than 1%, it still represents the single most used item for intentional deaths..And if it's most used in suicides, then isn't that even more reason for gun control?
holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:I care about deaths...period. Seems folks only care about guns, when guns havent killed a sole on their own, but rather improper and illegal use.Since we're posting facts.....
here's some more...facts.....
Now, a new study published in the Journal of Patient Safety reports between 210,000 and 440,000 patients each year suffer some type of preventable harm that contributes to their death. These harms may include patients getting the wrong medicine, surgical errors, or infections resulting when safety procedures are not followed. That makes medical malpractice the third leading cause of deaths in the U.S., following heart disease and cancer.
People have a choice in the US to smoke or drink..Accidents are going to happen because we are human..Take away the self inflicted deaths and the accidental deaths..The number one intentional and immediate killer in the US are guns according to your chart..
people have a choice to have guns as well, they dont have a choice on when to kill innocent people though....Guns rep 1%, it's the lowest of all deaths by category. You have to eliminate them all to get gun death at number 1. And as I stated earlier the majority of deaths by guns are self inflicted as well....suicides, so you're corrected, take away the self inflicted and accidentals....the problem is alot lower than even that 1% figure.
Even if it's lower than 1%, it still represents the single most used item for intentional deaths..And if it's most used in suicides, then isn't that even more reason for gun control?
It is a legit reason. I have no issue with gun control, but the only control that will come out of it is the limits to law abiding citizens who have such right to bear. A person uses a gun more for suicide because it's quicker. 2nd place is strangling, which naturally would rise without a gun available. So you arent preventing the death...only the method.
Thats the issue I have. What method would YOU employ to prevent a killer from killing? Isnt the goal to lower the number of deaths?
knickscity wrote:I care about deaths...period. Seems folks only care about guns, when guns havent killed a sole on their own, but rather improper and illegal use.Since we're posting facts.....
here's some more...facts.....
Now, a new study published in the Journal of Patient Safety reports between 210,000 and 440,000 patients each year suffer some type of preventable harm that contributes to their death. These harms may include patients getting the wrong medicine, surgical errors, or infections resulting when safety procedures are not followed. That makes medical malpractice the third leading cause of deaths in the U.S., following heart disease and cancer.
This right wing horseshit is so tiring. Errors and accidental deaths will happen no matter what. The idea that the fact that they happen should be used as reasoning to continue to make guns available for people who INTENTIONALLY go out a shoot a bunch of other people is just beyond retarded. No you don't ban cars, because there are no reported incidents of people driving cars into malls with the intent of killing other people. But you and the NRA may not be smart enough to tell the difference.
meloshouldgo wrote:knickscity wrote:I care about deaths...period. Seems folks only care about guns, when guns havent killed a sole on their own, but rather improper and illegal use.Since we're posting facts.....
here's some more...facts.....
Now, a new study published in the Journal of Patient Safety reports between 210,000 and 440,000 patients each year suffer some type of preventable harm that contributes to their death. These harms may include patients getting the wrong medicine, surgical errors, or infections resulting when safety procedures are not followed. That makes medical malpractice the third leading cause of deaths in the U.S., following heart disease and cancer.
This right wing horseshit is so tiring. Errors and accidental deaths will happen no matter what. The idea that the fact that they happen should be used as reasoning to continue to make guns available for people who INTENTIONALLY go out a shoot a bunch of other people is just beyond retarded. No you don't ban cars, because there are no reported incidents of people driving cars into malls with the intent of killing other people. But you and the NRA may not be smart enough to tell the difference.
Those facts really make you mad huh
izybx wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:knickscity wrote:I care about deaths...period. Seems folks only care about guns, when guns havent killed a sole on their own, but rather improper and illegal use.Since we're posting facts.....
here's some more...facts.....
Now, a new study published in the Journal of Patient Safety reports between 210,000 and 440,000 patients each year suffer some type of preventable harm that contributes to their death. These harms may include patients getting the wrong medicine, surgical errors, or infections resulting when safety procedures are not followed. That makes medical malpractice the third leading cause of deaths in the U.S., following heart disease and cancer.
This right wing horseshit is so tiring. Errors and accidental deaths will happen no matter what. The idea that the fact that they happen should be used as reasoning to continue to make guns available for people who INTENTIONALLY go out a shoot a bunch of other people is just beyond retarded. No you don't ban cars, because there are no reported incidents of people driving cars into malls with the intent of killing other people. But you and the NRA may not be smart enough to tell the difference.
Those facts really make you mad huh
No facts don't make me mad. People intentionally avoiding the issue and throwing out numbers to confuse the subject makes me mad. The issue with guns is they are in the hands of people intending to kill a lot of people quickly. The idea that you can do that with a car is laughable. So the "facts" have no relevance. But the right wing brings them up so they can deflect the main discussion. The number of death by automobiles and cancer have as much relevance to the discussion on gun control as the sun signs of the victims.
knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:I care about deaths...period. Seems folks only care about guns, when guns havent killed a sole on their own, but rather improper and illegal use.Since we're posting facts.....
here's some more...facts.....
Now, a new study published in the Journal of Patient Safety reports between 210,000 and 440,000 patients each year suffer some type of preventable harm that contributes to their death. These harms may include patients getting the wrong medicine, surgical errors, or infections resulting when safety procedures are not followed. That makes medical malpractice the third leading cause of deaths in the U.S., following heart disease and cancer.
People have a choice in the US to smoke or drink..Accidents are going to happen because we are human..Take away the self inflicted deaths and the accidental deaths..The number one intentional and immediate killer in the US are guns according to your chart..
people have a choice to have guns as well, they dont have a choice on when to kill innocent people though....Guns rep 1%, it's the lowest of all deaths by category. You have to eliminate them all to get gun death at number 1. And as I stated earlier the majority of deaths by guns are self inflicted as well....suicides, so you're corrected, take away the self inflicted and accidentals....the problem is alot lower than even that 1% figure.
Even if it's lower than 1%, it still represents the single most used item for intentional deaths..And if it's most used in suicides, then isn't that even more reason for gun control?
It is a legit reason. I have no issue with gun control, but the only control that will come out of it is the limits to law abiding citizens who have such right to bear. A person uses a gun more for suicide because it's quicker. 2nd place is strangling, which naturally would rise without a gun available. So you arent preventing the death...only the method.Thats the issue I have. What method would YOU employ to prevent a killer from killing? Isnt the goal to lower the number of deaths?
I don't think you can prevent a killer from killing..But you can limit the options he has..The US is currently trying to limit nation states from acquiring nuclear weapons..The idea is the more states that have a nuclear weapon the likelihood some one will use them..Or the more the likihood it will fall into criminal hands..I see guns the same way..
Funny thing is, the same guys leading the charge against gun control are the same guys who thinks its a bad idea for Iran to acquire a nuclear weapon and don't want to see the correlation...Isn't it the same thing conceptually..Doesn't the pro nuclear weapon nations and pro gun people say it's to protect my family or nation and its acts as a deterrent..Nuclear weapons don't kill people, people kill people, right?
holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:holfresh wrote:knickscity wrote:I care about deaths...period. Seems folks only care about guns, when guns havent killed a sole on their own, but rather improper and illegal use.Since we're posting facts.....
here's some more...facts.....
Now, a new study published in the Journal of Patient Safety reports between 210,000 and 440,000 patients each year suffer some type of preventable harm that contributes to their death. These harms may include patients getting the wrong medicine, surgical errors, or infections resulting when safety procedures are not followed. That makes medical malpractice the third leading cause of deaths in the U.S., following heart disease and cancer.
People have a choice in the US to smoke or drink..Accidents are going to happen because we are human..Take away the self inflicted deaths and the accidental deaths..The number one intentional and immediate killer in the US are guns according to your chart..
people have a choice to have guns as well, they dont have a choice on when to kill innocent people though....Guns rep 1%, it's the lowest of all deaths by category. You have to eliminate them all to get gun death at number 1. And as I stated earlier the majority of deaths by guns are self inflicted as well....suicides, so you're corrected, take away the self inflicted and accidentals....the problem is alot lower than even that 1% figure.
Even if it's lower than 1%, it still represents the single most used item for intentional deaths..And if it's most used in suicides, then isn't that even more reason for gun control?
It is a legit reason. I have no issue with gun control, but the only control that will come out of it is the limits to law abiding citizens who have such right to bear. A person uses a gun more for suicide because it's quicker. 2nd place is strangling, which naturally would rise without a gun available. So you arent preventing the death...only the method.Thats the issue I have. What method would YOU employ to prevent a killer from killing? Isnt the goal to lower the number of deaths?
I don't think you can prevent a killer from killing..But you can limit the options he has..The US is currently trying to limit nation states from acquiring nuclear weapons..The idea is the more states that have a nuclear weapon the likelihood some one will use them..Or the more the likihood it will fall into criminal hands..I see guns the same way..
Funny thing is, the same guys leading the charge against gun control are the same guys who thinks its a bad idea for Iran to acquire a nuclear weapon and don't want to see the correlation...Isn't it the same thing conceptually..Doesn't the pro nuclear weapon nations and pro gun people say it's to protect my family or nation and its acts as a deterrent..Nuclear weapons don't kill people, people kill people, right?
You're already admitting you cant prevent the killing. Thats the issue, his methods are cop out excuses, he'll find other methods.. I've said more than once I have no issue with gun reforms and such. What I am totally against is taking rights away from law abiding citizens because those individuals arent the primary offenders in these gun related incidents.
This is like punishing all the children in the house because you, the parent, cant figure out who spilled the milk on the kitchen floor. The issue is why these folks feel the need to kill.....address that first.
And no I dont think banning nuclear weapons are the same as gun control. There is no way to responsibly use nuclear weapons, and your typical handgun which is the primary weapon of choice has no mass destruction effect. The main reason the US is a key component in pushing this is because they know other countries can wipe their ass clean off the globe with push of a button, yet they still spend billions in research.....go figure.
meloshouldgo wrote:izybx wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:knickscity wrote:I care about deaths...period. Seems folks only care about guns, when guns havent killed a sole on their own, but rather improper and illegal use.Since we're posting facts.....
here's some more...facts.....
Now, a new study published in the Journal of Patient Safety reports between 210,000 and 440,000 patients each year suffer some type of preventable harm that contributes to their death. These harms may include patients getting the wrong medicine, surgical errors, or infections resulting when safety procedures are not followed. That makes medical malpractice the third leading cause of deaths in the U.S., following heart disease and cancer.
This right wing horseshit is so tiring. Errors and accidental deaths will happen no matter what. The idea that the fact that they happen should be used as reasoning to continue to make guns available for people who INTENTIONALLY go out a shoot a bunch of other people is just beyond retarded. No you don't ban cars, because there are no reported incidents of people driving cars into malls with the intent of killing other people. But you and the NRA may not be smart enough to tell the difference.
Those facts really make you mad huh
No facts don't make me mad. People intentionally avoiding the issue and throwing out numbers to confuse the subject makes me mad. The issue with guns is they are in the hands of people intending to kill a lot of people quickly. The idea that you can do that with a car is laughable. So the "facts" have no relevance. But the right wing brings them up so they can deflect the main discussion. The number of death by automobiles and cancer have as much relevance to the discussion on gun control as the sun signs of the victims.
Facts do seem to upset you. if you're worried about people dying aim your venom at the top causes and work your way down.
But of course, deaths isnt your issue. Do you seriously believe people dont use cars to kill people?
here's what happens when you ban guns....they use anything they can find, like a car....
The van of a man who drove into a crowd is being removed from a street in Graz, southern Austria, Saturday, June 20, 2015. According to officials three people were killed in the incident and 34 injured.
VIENNA — A man apparently distraught over personal issues drove his SUV into a crowd in Austria's second largest city Saturday, killing a 4-year old and two adults, officials said.
Police in the city of Graz said 34 others were injured, with six victims, including two children, in serious condition. They said there were no indications of a terrorist attack, and the suspect was apparently distressed over personal problems when he targeted his victims.
The governor of Styria province, Hermann Schuetzenhoefer, described the suspect as a 26-year-old Austrian truck driver who was "mentally disoriented" and acting alone. He was arrested shortly after the incident.
Police commander Josef Klamminger told reporters that the man had been under a restraining order keeping him from the home of his wife and two children since a domestic violence report against him was filed last month. He was being psychologically evaluated after his arrest.
State broadcaster ORF cited unnamed witnesses as saying the man apparently drove his vehicle at high speed into the crowd at random, sending several people crashing into the windshield and flying over the vehicle.