Knicks · OUR BENCH IS REALLY SOLID (page 2)

This is the first time in my lifetime the Knicks have such a energy bench of youngsters
Ewing never had this much depth of young talent..
Saraphin 25
O'quinn 25
D will 24
Galloway 23
Grant 23

I mean wow! That is a young talented bunch, they could be the bench core for awhile

fitzfarm wrote:This is the first time in my lifetime the Knicks have such a energy bench of youngsters
Ewing never had this much depth of young talent..
Saraphin 25
O'quinn 25
D will 24
Galloway 23
Grant 23

I mean wow! That is a young talented bunch, they could be the bench core for awhile

Or Grant and D will could be starters. That would be a big jolt to the starting lineup, having one or both of those guys. But it would make the bench weaker. If I know Fisher, he will keep those guys on the bench, and just have a different mix of starters and bench players to finish the game.....

blkexec wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:This is the first time in my lifetime the Knicks have such a energy bench of youngsters
Ewing never had this much depth of young talent..
Saraphin 25
O'quinn 25
D will 24
Galloway 23
Grant 23

I mean wow! That is a young talented bunch, they could be the bench core for awhile

Or Grant and D will could be starters. That would be a big jolt to the starting lineup, having one or both of those guys. But it would make the bench weaker. If I know Fisher, he will keep those guys on the bench, and just have a different mix of starters and bench players to finish the game.....

DWill starter??..There is no structure to his game..This is all ad lib..DWill to me is JR Smith all over again without the crazy...But JR is a better defender and better passer ans streak shooter...He is confident tho..He said he wants to be the second go to guy offensively behind Melo..Begs the question, what's happening with AA in practice?

holfresh wrote:

blkexec wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:This is the first time in my lifetime the Knicks have such a energy bench of youngsters
Ewing never had this much depth of young talent..
Saraphin 25
O'quinn 25
D will 24
Galloway 23
Grant 23

I mean wow! That is a young talented bunch, they could be the bench core for awhile

Or Grant and D will could be starters. That would be a big jolt to the starting lineup, having one or both of those guys. But it would make the bench weaker. If I know Fisher, he will keep those guys on the bench, and just have a different mix of starters and bench players to finish the game.....

DWill starter??..There is no structure to his game..This is all ad lib..DWill to me is JR Smith all over again without the crazy...But JR is a better defender and better passer ans streak shooter...He is confident tho..He said he wants to be the second go to guy offensively behind Melo..Begs the question, what's happening with AA in practice?

The problem with JR Smith was always the crazy.

JR Smith without the crazy is a guy I can live with on my team if the effort and hustle is there.

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

holfresh wrote:

blkexec wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:This is the first time in my lifetime the Knicks have such a energy bench of youngsters
Ewing never had this much depth of young talent..
Saraphin 25
O'quinn 25
D will 24
Galloway 23
Grant 23

I mean wow! That is a young talented bunch, they could be the bench core for awhile

Or Grant and D will could be starters. That would be a big jolt to the starting lineup, having one or both of those guys. But it would make the bench weaker. If I know Fisher, he will keep those guys on the bench, and just have a different mix of starters and bench players to finish the game.....

DWill starter??..There is no structure to his game..This is all ad lib..DWill to me is JR Smith all over again without the crazy...But JR is a better defender and better passer ans streak shooter...He is confident tho..He said he wants to be the second go to guy offensively behind Melo..Begs the question, what's happening with AA in practice?

The problem with JR Smith was always the crazy.

JR Smith without the crazy is a guy I can live with on my team if the effort and hustle is there.

having guys like calderone, affalo,or KP coming off the bench is not a good look, the guys coming off your bench should be energizer bunnies, not skilled slow players, those are the guys you want to start and finish.

the guys off the bench should be increasing the lead or bringing us back

blkexec wrote:This team is talor made for a superstar like next year, to play along with Melo! Or two very solid players, to fill in some of the minor gaps. I think we need a rim protector off the bench. I rather have O'quinn and Seraphin at PF.....But that depends on the matchups. Having Rolo on the floor and KP to balance the floor is a huge bonus to our offense and defense. A rim protector and a shooter that can play along side Melo would be great. If we had Calderon in his prime, that will help spread the floor. He used to be a very good shooter.

I went through the list of free agents and unfortunately there are no upgrades at SG that the Knicks could acquire. Mike Conley at PG but I think he really really likes where he is. Maybe Kobe or Wade for a year or 2. Maybe.

martin wrote:

blkexec wrote:This team is talor made for a superstar like next year, to play along with Melo! Or two very solid players, to fill in some of the minor gaps. I think we need a rim protector off the bench. I rather have O'quinn and Seraphin at PF.....But that depends on the matchups. Having Rolo on the floor and KP to balance the floor is a huge bonus to our offense and defense. A rim protector and a shooter that can play along side Melo would be great. If we had Calderon in his prime, that will help spread the floor. He used to be a very good shooter.

I went through the list of free agents and unfortunately there are no upgrades at SG that the Knicks could acquire. Mike Conley at PG but I think he really really likes where he is. Maybe Kobe or Wade for a year or 2. Maybe.

Dermarr Derozen, Raptors were speaking as if they aren't going to offer him an extension and may let him walk in FA. His asking price is probably to high though which is why they may let him walk. Don't know if he would be worth it or not yet. But he could be am option.

Book is still open on Dwill, but the signs are looking great. I pray that he keeps at least more than half of his current form during regular season and rebounds the ball more.

Sasha is still a reserve player;nevertheless, he does add a little something to the team.

martin wrote:

blkexec wrote:This team is talor made for a superstar like next year, to play along with Melo! Or two very solid players, to fill in some of the minor gaps. I think we need a rim protector off the bench. I rather have O'quinn and Seraphin at PF.....But that depends on the matchups. Having Rolo on the floor and KP to balance the floor is a huge bonus to our offense and defense. A rim protector and a shooter that can play along side Melo would be great. If we had Calderon in his prime, that will help spread the floor. He used to be a very good shooter.

I went through the list of free agents and unfortunately there are no upgrades at SG that the Knicks could acquire. Mike Conley at PG but I think he really really likes where he is. Maybe Kobe or Wade for a year or 2. Maybe.

Shooting guards are like centers these days, you either have a combo pg/sg or a combo pf/c. There's hardly any pure Sg's like starks, miller, spree, mitch richmond, kobe mj, ect.

watching phili last night i couldn't figure out who was their sg or who was the pg, everybody in the league either shoots 3's or drive recklessly to the basket

The game has changed dramatically since the 90's and early 2k

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

blkexec wrote:This team is talor made for a superstar like next year, to play along with Melo! Or two very solid players, to fill in some of the minor gaps. I think we need a rim protector off the bench. I rather have O'quinn and Seraphin at PF.....But that depends on the matchups. Having Rolo on the floor and KP to balance the floor is a huge bonus to our offense and defense. A rim protector and a shooter that can play along side Melo would be great. If we had Calderon in his prime, that will help spread the floor. He used to be a very good shooter.

I went through the list of free agents and unfortunately there are no upgrades at SG that the Knicks could acquire. Mike Conley at PG but I think he really really likes where he is. Maybe Kobe or Wade for a year or 2. Maybe.

Shooting guards are like centers these days, you either have a combo pg/sg or a combo pf/c. There's hardly any pure Sg's like starks, miller, spree, mitch richmond, kobe mj, ect.

watching phili last night i couldn't figure out who was their sg or who was the pg, everybody in the league either shoots 3's or drive recklessly to the basket

And?

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

blkexec wrote:This team is talor made for a superstar like next year, to play along with Melo! Or two very solid players, to fill in some of the minor gaps. I think we need a rim protector off the bench. I rather have O'quinn and Seraphin at PF.....But that depends on the matchups. Having Rolo on the floor and KP to balance the floor is a huge bonus to our offense and defense. A rim protector and a shooter that can play along side Melo would be great. If we had Calderon in his prime, that will help spread the floor. He used to be a very good shooter.

I went through the list of free agents and unfortunately there are no upgrades at SG that the Knicks could acquire. Mike Conley at PG but I think he really really likes where he is. Maybe Kobe or Wade for a year or 2. Maybe.

Shooting guards are like centers these days, you either have a combo pg/sg or a combo pf/c. There's hardly any pure Sg's like starks, miller, spree, mitch richmond, kobe mj, ect.

watching phili last night i couldn't figure out who was their sg or who was the pg, everybody in the league either shoots 3's or drive recklessly to the basket

And?

options are limited across the board in terms of the position

the thing that strikes me about this thread is its stuff I've heard before about our roster in years prior - we're deep, etc. our bench is this good, etc. I could probably dig up a thread.

The thing that concerns me about our roster is we may have depth, but we're lacking quality. Sure, we have 10 really good players with potential and talent, but many of them are 6, 7 & 8 on other teams, and we're counting on them to be 2, 3, 4 & 5's on ours. And that's a recipe for 30 wins.

Now, I do think this group is different- there is probably more upside in guys like O'Quinn, Seraphin & Williams and we have character, and I think character helps win games.

I'd just suggest tempering expectations until the season starts - otherwise we sound like Nixluva!

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

blkexec wrote:This team is talor made for a superstar like next year, to play along with Melo! Or two very solid players, to fill in some of the minor gaps. I think we need a rim protector off the bench. I rather have O'quinn and Seraphin at PF.....But that depends on the matchups. Having Rolo on the floor and KP to balance the floor is a huge bonus to our offense and defense. A rim protector and a shooter that can play along side Melo would be great. If we had Calderon in his prime, that will help spread the floor. He used to be a very good shooter.

I went through the list of free agents and unfortunately there are no upgrades at SG that the Knicks could acquire. Mike Conley at PG but I think he really really likes where he is. Maybe Kobe or Wade for a year or 2. Maybe.

Shooting guards are like centers these days, you either have a combo pg/sg or a combo pf/c. There's hardly any pure Sg's like starks, miller, spree, mitch richmond, kobe mj, ect.

watching phili last night i couldn't figure out who was their sg or who was the pg, everybody in the league either shoots 3's or drive recklessly to the basket

And?

options are limited across the board in terms of the position

oh OK, I thought that's what I already said.

franco12 wrote:the thing that strikes me about this thread is its stuff I've heard before about our roster in years prior - we're deep, etc. our bench is this good, etc. I could probably dig up a thread.

The thing that concerns me about our roster is we may have depth, but we're lacking quality. Sure, we have 10 really good players with potential and talent, but many of them are 6, 7 & 8 on other teams, and we're counting on them to be 2, 3, 4 & 5's on ours. And that's a recipe for 30 wins.

Now, I do think this group is different- there is probably more upside in guys like O'Quinn, Seraphin & Williams and we have character, and I think character helps win games.

I'd just suggest tempering expectations until the season starts - otherwise we sound like Nixluva!

1st of all this is the exact time to try and guess what you really think the team is capable of. Otherwise you're just saying what you see after the fact, which a monkey could do. There's no fun in that at all.

I think you are wrong in your assessment of the talent on this team relative to most of the other teams in the East. I did a thread comparing our roster with most of the other rosters and there isn't much separation at all. I'd love for you to make the case that we are really deficient in comparison cuz based on what I saw it didn't look like it.

Melo is clearly the equal of many of the star players on other teams with the exception of an elite few.

RoLo is a representative starting Center in this league. Started for 2 50 win teams in the West so how is he not on the level of other teams Centers?

Afflalo is hurt but when he was playing he was a decent starting SG. People may not like him but he wasn't some scrub off someone's bench. Right now Sasha should be able to hold the fort.

KP is a rookie top 4 pick and if he starts that's not unusual for a team to play their top pick. Kid has talent on both ends. He's got a long way to go but so did Jabari Parker or Nerlens etc.

Jose is below standard but the hope is that we can develop Jerian to eventually take over. For now we just have to make due. Most teams have some area of weakness unless you're talking about a top team.

The Bench has some nice talent. Guys who are young and haven't made a name yet, but they have good skills and they hustle.

The key for this team is going to be their effort on D and defensive chemistry. They still have work to do, but if they can play decent defense they will score enough points to be competitive on most nights. We have a better bench than many teams in the East IMO. Mainly because we don't have any scrubs. Pretty much every player has a decent talent level.

franco12 wrote:the thing that strikes me about this thread is its stuff I've heard before about our roster in years prior - we're deep, etc. our bench is this good, etc. I could probably dig up a thread.

The thing that concerns me about our roster is we may have depth, but we're lacking quality. Sure, we have 10 really good players with potential and talent, but many of them are 6, 7 & 8 on other teams, and we're counting on them to be 2, 3, 4 & 5's on ours. And that's a recipe for 30 wins.

Now, I do think this group is different- there is probably more upside in guys like O'Quinn, Seraphin & Williams and we have character, and I think character helps win games.

I'd just suggest tempering expectations until the season starts - otherwise we sound like Nixluva!

basketball comes down to more than talent, you sound like ESPN.

knicks1248 wrote:

franco12 wrote:the thing that strikes me about this thread is its stuff I've heard before about our roster in years prior - we're deep, etc. our bench is this good, etc. I could probably dig up a thread.

The thing that concerns me about our roster is we may have depth, but we're lacking quality. Sure, we have 10 really good players with potential and talent, but many of them are 6, 7 & 8 on other teams, and we're counting on them to be 2, 3, 4 & 5's on ours. And that's a recipe for 30 wins.

Now, I do think this group is different- there is probably more upside in guys like O'Quinn, Seraphin & Williams and we have character, and I think character helps win games.

I'd just suggest tempering expectations until the season starts - otherwise we sound like Nixluva!

basketball comes down to more than talent, you sound like ESPN.

what a compliment! ESPN makes how much money and is how successful?

Talent helps & then I always think its the will to win which is a hard quality, or talent, to see.

franco12 wrote:the thing that strikes me about this thread is its stuff I've heard before about our roster in years prior - we're deep, etc. our bench is this good, etc. I could probably dig up a thread.

The thing that concerns me about our roster is we may have depth, but we're lacking quality. Sure, we have 10 really good players with potential and talent, but many of them are 6, 7 & 8 on other teams, and we're counting on them to be 2, 3, 4 & 5's on ours. And that's a recipe for 30 wins.

Now, I do think this group is different- there is probably more upside in guys like O'Quinn, Seraphin & Williams and we have character, and I think character helps win games.

I'd just suggest tempering expectations until the season starts - otherwise we sound like Nixluva!

Sure, we had a deep bench during the 54 win season, filled with former all stars and starters, but most of them were old and didnt last the season. The difference now is that while the bench might not be as talented, they're a lot younger and more athletic. They've also shown to this point that they can get buckets and play D. Grant should do a good job of setting them up. They say the best ability is availability, and this improved bench has a good chance of being more available and ready to contribute than in seasons past.

Just watching the Knicks against the Sixers you can see that the Sixers have a lot of physical talent and once healthy they'll have even more. They aren't necessarily the highest BB IQ team IMO tho. Seems like a lot of young guys that have great energy and hustle but don't really know how to win games yet. Our Bench kids looked a bit smarter BB IQ wise. We have a lot of talent too, but they also seem to have a better understanding of how to work as a unit on both ends. It'll be fun to watch them continue to develop.

knicks1248 wrote:Grant
DWILL
Kevin
galloway
SASHA

Will become one of the best benches in the league, easy.

For the first time ever, i saw fisher sub in 5 guys at the right time, even pulling melo and Rolo, midway through the 3rd when the team was playing with zero energy and phili erased a 14 point deficit to 4 points.

I don't even want any of those guys to start, I think the play very well together and are very balance

Demote Sasha to reserve role and put OQuinn in there then our bench does look like a big upgrade.

Grant-Will bring more penetration, push the pace, and play defense--Polar oposite of Caledron, which is exactly what we want. Larkin was too short and failed to make up for it when he became to afraid of taking layups. Grant>>>>Larkin

Galloway- Defense,will make up for Grant's lack of rebounding. Hopefully he can put up the shooting % he put up in college. Galloway eventually>>> Shumpert

DWill- Judging from what I have seen so far he will be our main offensive weapon in the second unit. I pray he keeps up what he is doing into regular season. He will definitely have games when he is way way off and his lack of IQ really shows, much like JR Smith here;however, he is definitely not as talented as JR Smith, so he really has to glow this season. Dwill<< JR Smith Dwill>? Acy

Kevin-Loads of talent, poor IQ. He will bring a good post option and can play solid defense unlike Acy who never really fit what we were doing here. Seraphin>> Acy Seraphin>> Bargs

OQuinn-Defense,rebounds, post game, passing. OQuinn>>>>>Jason Smith

Overall, Phill did do a sound job of acquiring guys who fit our offense better and improved defense and guys who were better overall than what we had on our bench. We have athletes who can push the pace and change things up. Our only downside is that the presence of low IQ is still there.

The thing about DWill is we don't have to beg him to take it to the hole!!! His aggressive nature should keep him from having to rely on jumpers. This is the part of his game that really helps a lot. We didn't have a lot of penetration before but now we have guys in DWill, Grant and Early who will attack the rim.