holfresh, would you take Wilkens over hornacek too?
holfresh@ 10/19/2015 9:28 PM
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Paris907 wrote:No offense to Gerald Wilkins but I hope Early turns out to be better. Starting for the Knicks back then was no great feat!
Starting for the Knicks now is a great feat?
it's a more valid assertion than the ridiculous player comparisons you're throwing out there.
The eras are different..Obviously there is more focus today on the three point shot..Gallo compares statically to JR Smith..Their stats are identical..Wilkens put up better stats and were more consistent than both players..Wilkens best year was better than Gallo's best..
why even bring in gallinari except to incite? he's a frontcourt player and now stuck in a crappy situation in denver, being paid 14 million. that guy odonnell or whatever his name is has ruined the franchise.
apples to apples. smith is a bum. tats, 'tude, and with a 90 iq. bbiq even lower and soft as tissue paper. more threes than free throws = soft. wilkins, although overmatched in that era, was a ball mover and an eager defender. can't begrudge him that. just a shame that he was the best the knicks could offer in support of ewing. you're right though-- he did have a good couple of seasons his first few years. however... the "bomb squad" LOL. what utter horseshit. did you buy that hype?
Gallo was brought in for perspective..U and many think that Gallo is a very good player and Wilkin less than average..Looking at their numbers you see a different story..Wilkens played in an era of the all time greats at their positions..Gallo and rest play a soft brand of ball and actually played 2 full seasons in 7 and think that's great..
CrushAlot@ 10/19/2015 9:29 PM
E
dk7th wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Sangfroid wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Early looks like he could turn into a player similar to Gerald Wilkins, if he works on the holes in his game.
His floor is Gerald Wilkins ceiling, 'cause Gerald was an inconsistent mofo. His shot was totally erratic, just like Shumpert and THJr. With his new found confidence, I see minutes for him as backup big guard and backup small forward. He is clearly handling the ball much better. Something he didn't show at all last season.
Totally disagree with your comparison. Wilkins was a two way player, THJ and Shump have been one way players for most of their careers. THJ on offense, Shump on D. Shump cant even make a freaking layup, you couldnt get THJ to drive unless you put a gun to his head. Wilkins was not afraid to take it to the rim, the man could finish.
Id be thrilled if Early could put up the same career numbers. Early has a similar game, similar flaws. Wilkins was a better defender, passer, and scorer than Early was at this stage in his career. Injuries can only explain so much. There have been times since being drafted where I wouldnt know Early was subbed in, he was that much of a non factor. I hope his progress continues because you never know when Melo will go down.
what? Wilkens was a horrific offensive player.
I see Early and wilkens as the furthest extremes as players.
Wilikns wasnt a great shooter, but he was hardly horrific. He could finish in transition as well as almost anyone in the league.
if not for his defense and hand checking being allowed, he would have been a terrible player.
Today, he would be pretty worthless. The guy could not shoot and if you can't shoot today, you better at least be as good defensively as Tony Allen. And even he is becoming a liability in todays game.
He was a good finisher in transition. There are now 1000 guys who can do that, hardly enough.
Im guessing you didnt watch him play because Wilkins was a very good defender. He defended Jordan as well as anyone could, but you're saying he couldnt play D. As far as handchecking, you could say that about some of the best defenders in the league back then.
Not everyone can finish in traffic like Wilkins could, THJ and Shump sure can't. Wilkins had his flaws but he was better than Shump or THJ has ever been.
Early and Wilkins are very athletic players who can play D, and who thrive in transition. So far Early had a lot of work to do just to have as good a career. I will believe it when I see it.
wilkins was utterly mediocre, perhaps less than mediocre. his only saving grace was that he was a willing passer and he was not a chucker. he typified the 80s-90s knicks... a bridesmaid player on bridesmaids teams.
Did you watch him play?
holfresh@ 10/19/2015 9:31 PM
mreinman wrote:gallo is miles better than Wilkens ... c'mon
holfresh, would you take Wilkens over hornacek too?
No, Hornacek was legit..
dk7th@ 10/19/2015 9:33 PM
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Paris907 wrote:No offense to Gerald Wilkins but I hope Early turns out to be better. Starting for the Knicks back then was no great feat!
Starting for the Knicks now is a great feat?
it's a more valid assertion than the ridiculous player comparisons you're throwing out there.
The eras are different..Obviously there is more focus today on the three point shot..Gallo compares statically to JR Smith..Their stats are identical..Wilkens put up better stats and were more consistent than both players..Wilkens best year was better than Gallo's best..
why even bring in gallinari except to incite? he's a frontcourt player and now stuck in a crappy situation in denver, being paid 14 million. that guy odonnell or whatever his name is has ruined the franchise.
apples to apples. smith is a bum. tats, 'tude, and with a 90 iq. bbiq even lower and soft as tissue paper. more threes than free throws = soft. wilkins, although overmatched in that era, was a ball mover and an eager defender. can't begrudge him that. just a shame that he was the best the knicks could offer in support of ewing. you're right though-- he did have a good couple of seasons his first few years. however... the "bomb squad" LOL. what utter horseshit. did you buy that hype?
Gallo was brought in for perspective..U and many think that Gallo is a very good player and Wilkin less than average..Looking at their numbers you see a different story..Wilkens played in an era of the all time greats at their positions..Gallo and rest play a soft brand of ball and actually played 2 full seasons in 7 and think that's great..
you're comparing a small forward to a tweener swingman. what part of apples to apples eludes you? have you been hanging out with smith tonight? or in papabear's rec room?
mreinman@ 10/19/2015 9:33 PM
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Paris907 wrote:No offense to Gerald Wilkins but I hope Early turns out to be better. Starting for the Knicks back then was no great feat!
Starting for the Knicks now is a great feat?
it's a more valid assertion than the ridiculous player comparisons you're throwing out there.
The eras are different..Obviously there is more focus today on the three point shot..Gallo compares statically to JR Smith..Their stats are identical..Wilkens put up better stats and were more consistent than both players..Wilkens best year was better than Gallo's best..
why even bring in gallinari except to incite? he's a frontcourt player and now stuck in a crappy situation in denver, being paid 14 million. that guy odonnell or whatever his name is has ruined the franchise.
apples to apples. smith is a bum. tats, 'tude, and with a 90 iq. bbiq even lower and soft as tissue paper. more threes than free throws = soft. wilkins, although overmatched in that era, was a ball mover and an eager defender. can't begrudge him that. just a shame that he was the best the knicks could offer in support of ewing. you're right though-- he did have a good couple of seasons his first few years. however... the "bomb squad" LOL. what utter horseshit. did you buy that hype?
Gallo was brought in for perspective..U and many think that Gallo is a very good player and Wilkin less than average..Looking at their numbers you see a different story..Wilkens played in an era of the all time greats at their positions..Gallo and rest play a soft brand of ball and actually played 2 full seasons in 7 and think that's great..
because pretty much everyone today uses stats like TS, WS48 and at least eFg - aside from some stubborn holdovers. Their stats are not comparable with what are considered the more important stats.
dk7th@ 10/19/2015 9:33 PM
CrushAlot wrote:E
dk7th wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Sangfroid wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Early looks like he could turn into a player similar to Gerald Wilkins, if he works on the holes in his game.
His floor is Gerald Wilkins ceiling, 'cause Gerald was an inconsistent mofo. His shot was totally erratic, just like Shumpert and THJr. With his new found confidence, I see minutes for him as backup big guard and backup small forward. He is clearly handling the ball much better. Something he didn't show at all last season.
Totally disagree with your comparison. Wilkins was a two way player, THJ and Shump have been one way players for most of their careers. THJ on offense, Shump on D. Shump cant even make a freaking layup, you couldnt get THJ to drive unless you put a gun to his head. Wilkins was not afraid to take it to the rim, the man could finish.
Id be thrilled if Early could put up the same career numbers. Early has a similar game, similar flaws. Wilkins was a better defender, passer, and scorer than Early was at this stage in his career. Injuries can only explain so much. There have been times since being drafted where I wouldnt know Early was subbed in, he was that much of a non factor. I hope his progress continues because you never know when Melo will go down.
what? Wilkens was a horrific offensive player.
I see Early and wilkens as the furthest extremes as players.
Wilikns wasnt a great shooter, but he was hardly horrific. He could finish in transition as well as almost anyone in the league.
if not for his defense and hand checking being allowed, he would have been a terrible player.
Today, he would be pretty worthless. The guy could not shoot and if you can't shoot today, you better at least be as good defensively as Tony Allen. And even he is becoming a liability in todays game.
He was a good finisher in transition. There are now 1000 guys who can do that, hardly enough.
Im guessing you didnt watch him play because Wilkins was a very good defender. He defended Jordan as well as anyone could, but you're saying he couldnt play D. As far as handchecking, you could say that about some of the best defenders in the league back then.
Not everyone can finish in traffic like Wilkins could, THJ and Shump sure can't. Wilkins had his flaws but he was better than Shump or THJ has ever been.
Early and Wilkins are very athletic players who can play D, and who thrive in transition. So far Early had a lot of work to do just to have as good a career. I will believe it when I see it.
wilkins was utterly mediocre, perhaps less than mediocre. his only saving grace was that he was a willing passer and he was not a chucker. he typified the 80s-90s knicks... a bridesmaid player on bridesmaids teams.
Did you watch him play?
come on now
mreinman@ 10/19/2015 9:35 PM
CrushAlot wrote:E
dk7th wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Sangfroid wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Early looks like he could turn into a player similar to Gerald Wilkins, if he works on the holes in his game.
His floor is Gerald Wilkins ceiling, 'cause Gerald was an inconsistent mofo. His shot was totally erratic, just like Shumpert and THJr. With his new found confidence, I see minutes for him as backup big guard and backup small forward. He is clearly handling the ball much better. Something he didn't show at all last season.
Totally disagree with your comparison. Wilkins was a two way player, THJ and Shump have been one way players for most of their careers. THJ on offense, Shump on D. Shump cant even make a freaking layup, you couldnt get THJ to drive unless you put a gun to his head. Wilkins was not afraid to take it to the rim, the man could finish.
Id be thrilled if Early could put up the same career numbers. Early has a similar game, similar flaws. Wilkins was a better defender, passer, and scorer than Early was at this stage in his career. Injuries can only explain so much. There have been times since being drafted where I wouldnt know Early was subbed in, he was that much of a non factor. I hope his progress continues because you never know when Melo will go down.
what? Wilkens was a horrific offensive player.
I see Early and wilkens as the furthest extremes as players.
Wilikns wasnt a great shooter, but he was hardly horrific. He could finish in transition as well as almost anyone in the league.
if not for his defense and hand checking being allowed, he would have been a terrible player.
Today, he would be pretty worthless. The guy could not shoot and if you can't shoot today, you better at least be as good defensively as Tony Allen. And even he is becoming a liability in todays game.
He was a good finisher in transition. There are now 1000 guys who can do that, hardly enough.
Im guessing you didnt watch him play because Wilkins was a very good defender. He defended Jordan as well as anyone could, but you're saying he couldnt play D. As far as handchecking, you could say that about some of the best defenders in the league back then.
Not everyone can finish in traffic like Wilkins could, THJ and Shump sure can't. Wilkins had his flaws but he was better than Shump or THJ has ever been.
Early and Wilkins are very athletic players who can play D, and who thrive in transition. So far Early had a lot of work to do just to have as good a career. I will believe it when I see it.
wilkins was utterly mediocre, perhaps less than mediocre. his only saving grace was that he was a willing passer and he was not a chucker. he typified the 80s-90s knicks... a bridesmaid player on bridesmaids teams.
Did you watch him play?
you ask these type of questions often as if nobody else watches games, watched players, read articles etc ...
martin@ 10/19/2015 9:36 PM
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:E
dk7th wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Sangfroid wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Early looks like he could turn into a player similar to Gerald Wilkins, if he works on the holes in his game.
His floor is Gerald Wilkins ceiling, 'cause Gerald was an inconsistent mofo. His shot was totally erratic, just like Shumpert and THJr. With his new found confidence, I see minutes for him as backup big guard and backup small forward. He is clearly handling the ball much better. Something he didn't show at all last season.
Totally disagree with your comparison. Wilkins was a two way player, THJ and Shump have been one way players for most of their careers. THJ on offense, Shump on D. Shump cant even make a freaking layup, you couldnt get THJ to drive unless you put a gun to his head. Wilkins was not afraid to take it to the rim, the man could finish.
Id be thrilled if Early could put up the same career numbers. Early has a similar game, similar flaws. Wilkins was a better defender, passer, and scorer than Early was at this stage in his career. Injuries can only explain so much. There have been times since being drafted where I wouldnt know Early was subbed in, he was that much of a non factor. I hope his progress continues because you never know when Melo will go down.
what? Wilkens was a horrific offensive player.
I see Early and wilkens as the furthest extremes as players.
Wilikns wasnt a great shooter, but he was hardly horrific. He could finish in transition as well as almost anyone in the league.
if not for his defense and hand checking being allowed, he would have been a terrible player.
Today, he would be pretty worthless. The guy could not shoot and if you can't shoot today, you better at least be as good defensively as Tony Allen. And even he is becoming a liability in todays game.
He was a good finisher in transition. There are now 1000 guys who can do that, hardly enough.
Im guessing you didnt watch him play because Wilkins was a very good defender. He defended Jordan as well as anyone could, but you're saying he couldnt play D. As far as handchecking, you could say that about some of the best defenders in the league back then.
Not everyone can finish in traffic like Wilkins could, THJ and Shump sure can't. Wilkins had his flaws but he was better than Shump or THJ has ever been.
Early and Wilkins are very athletic players who can play D, and who thrive in transition. So far Early had a lot of work to do just to have as good a career. I will believe it when I see it.
wilkins was utterly mediocre, perhaps less than mediocre. his only saving grace was that he was a willing passer and he was not a chucker. he typified the 80s-90s knicks... a bridesmaid player on bridesmaids teams.
Did you watch him play?
you ask these type of questions often as if nobody else watches games, watched players, read articles etc ...
man, you best read more posts
mreinman@ 10/19/2015 9:41 PM
martin wrote:
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:E
dk7th wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Sangfroid wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Early looks like he could turn into a player similar to Gerald Wilkins, if he works on the holes in his game.
His floor is Gerald Wilkins ceiling, 'cause Gerald was an inconsistent mofo. His shot was totally erratic, just like Shumpert and THJr. With his new found confidence, I see minutes for him as backup big guard and backup small forward. He is clearly handling the ball much better. Something he didn't show at all last season.
Totally disagree with your comparison. Wilkins was a two way player, THJ and Shump have been one way players for most of their careers. THJ on offense, Shump on D. Shump cant even make a freaking layup, you couldnt get THJ to drive unless you put a gun to his head. Wilkins was not afraid to take it to the rim, the man could finish.
Id be thrilled if Early could put up the same career numbers. Early has a similar game, similar flaws. Wilkins was a better defender, passer, and scorer than Early was at this stage in his career. Injuries can only explain so much. There have been times since being drafted where I wouldnt know Early was subbed in, he was that much of a non factor. I hope his progress continues because you never know when Melo will go down.
what? Wilkens was a horrific offensive player.
I see Early and wilkens as the furthest extremes as players.
Wilikns wasnt a great shooter, but he was hardly horrific. He could finish in transition as well as almost anyone in the league.
if not for his defense and hand checking being allowed, he would have been a terrible player.
Today, he would be pretty worthless. The guy could not shoot and if you can't shoot today, you better at least be as good defensively as Tony Allen. And even he is becoming a liability in todays game.
He was a good finisher in transition. There are now 1000 guys who can do that, hardly enough.
Im guessing you didnt watch him play because Wilkins was a very good defender. He defended Jordan as well as anyone could, but you're saying he couldnt play D. As far as handchecking, you could say that about some of the best defenders in the league back then.
Not everyone can finish in traffic like Wilkins could, THJ and Shump sure can't. Wilkins had his flaws but he was better than Shump or THJ has ever been.
Early and Wilkins are very athletic players who can play D, and who thrive in transition. So far Early had a lot of work to do just to have as good a career. I will believe it when I see it.
wilkins was utterly mediocre, perhaps less than mediocre. his only saving grace was that he was a willing passer and he was not a chucker. he typified the 80s-90s knicks... a bridesmaid player on bridesmaids teams.
Did you watch him play?
you ask these type of questions often as if nobody else watches games, watched players, read articles etc ...
man, you best read more posts
I only look at pics posted or youtube clips of landry fields
holfresh@ 10/19/2015 9:43 PM
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Paris907 wrote:No offense to Gerald Wilkins but I hope Early turns out to be better. Starting for the Knicks back then was no great feat!
Starting for the Knicks now is a great feat?
it's a more valid assertion than the ridiculous player comparisons you're throwing out there.
The eras are different..Obviously there is more focus today on the three point shot..Gallo compares statically to JR Smith..Their stats are identical..Wilkens put up better stats and were more consistent than both players..Wilkens best year was better than Gallo's best..
why even bring in gallinari except to incite? he's a frontcourt player and now stuck in a crappy situation in denver, being paid 14 million. that guy odonnell or whatever his name is has ruined the franchise.
apples to apples. smith is a bum. tats, 'tude, and with a 90 iq. bbiq even lower and soft as tissue paper. more threes than free throws = soft. wilkins, although overmatched in that era, was a ball mover and an eager defender. can't begrudge him that. just a shame that he was the best the knicks could offer in support of ewing. you're right though-- he did have a good couple of seasons his first few years. however... the "bomb squad" LOL. what utter horseshit. did you buy that hype?
Gallo was brought in for perspective..U and many think that Gallo is a very good player and Wilkin less than average..Looking at their numbers you see a different story..Wilkens played in an era of the all time greats at their positions..Gallo and rest play a soft brand of ball and actually played 2 full seasons in 7 and think that's great..
because pretty much everyone today uses stats like TS, WS48 and at least eFg - aside from some stubborn holdovers. Their stats are not comparable with what are considered the more important stats.
Yawn..
mreinman@ 10/19/2015 9:44 PM
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Paris907 wrote:No offense to Gerald Wilkins but I hope Early turns out to be better. Starting for the Knicks back then was no great feat!
Starting for the Knicks now is a great feat?
it's a more valid assertion than the ridiculous player comparisons you're throwing out there.
The eras are different..Obviously there is more focus today on the three point shot..Gallo compares statically to JR Smith..Their stats are identical..Wilkens put up better stats and were more consistent than both players..Wilkens best year was better than Gallo's best..
why even bring in gallinari except to incite? he's a frontcourt player and now stuck in a crappy situation in denver, being paid 14 million. that guy odonnell or whatever his name is has ruined the franchise.
apples to apples. smith is a bum. tats, 'tude, and with a 90 iq. bbiq even lower and soft as tissue paper. more threes than free throws = soft. wilkins, although overmatched in that era, was a ball mover and an eager defender. can't begrudge him that. just a shame that he was the best the knicks could offer in support of ewing. you're right though-- he did have a good couple of seasons his first few years. however... the "bomb squad" LOL. what utter horseshit. did you buy that hype?
Gallo was brought in for perspective..U and many think that Gallo is a very good player and Wilkin less than average..Looking at their numbers you see a different story..Wilkens played in an era of the all time greats at their positions..Gallo and rest play a soft brand of ball and actually played 2 full seasons in 7 and think that's great..
because pretty much everyone today uses stats like TS, WS48 and at least eFg - aside from some stubborn holdovers. Their stats are not comparable with what are considered the more important stats.
Yawn..
exactly.
Get the bed ... its late for your age :-)
CrushAlot@ 10/19/2015 10:03 PM
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:E
dk7th wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Sangfroid wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Early looks like he could turn into a player similar to Gerald Wilkins, if he works on the holes in his game.
His floor is Gerald Wilkins ceiling, 'cause Gerald was an inconsistent mofo. His shot was totally erratic, just like Shumpert and THJr. With his new found confidence, I see minutes for him as backup big guard and backup small forward. He is clearly handling the ball much better. Something he didn't show at all last season.
Totally disagree with your comparison. Wilkins was a two way player, THJ and Shump have been one way players for most of their careers. THJ on offense, Shump on D. Shump cant even make a freaking layup, you couldnt get THJ to drive unless you put a gun to his head. Wilkins was not afraid to take it to the rim, the man could finish.
Id be thrilled if Early could put up the same career numbers. Early has a similar game, similar flaws. Wilkins was a better defender, passer, and scorer than Early was at this stage in his career. Injuries can only explain so much. There have been times since being drafted where I wouldnt know Early was subbed in, he was that much of a non factor. I hope his progress continues because you never know when Melo will go down.
what? Wilkens was a horrific offensive player.
I see Early and wilkens as the furthest extremes as players.
Wilikns wasnt a great shooter, but he was hardly horrific. He could finish in transition as well as almost anyone in the league.
if not for his defense and hand checking being allowed, he would have been a terrible player.
Today, he would be pretty worthless. The guy could not shoot and if you can't shoot today, you better at least be as good defensively as Tony Allen. And even he is becoming a liability in todays game.
He was a good finisher in transition. There are now 1000 guys who can do that, hardly enough.
Im guessing you didnt watch him play because Wilkins was a very good defender. He defended Jordan as well as anyone could, but you're saying he couldnt play D. As far as handchecking, you could say that about some of the best defenders in the league back then.
Not everyone can finish in traffic like Wilkins could, THJ and Shump sure can't. Wilkins had his flaws but he was better than Shump or THJ has ever been.
Early and Wilkins are very athletic players who can play D, and who thrive in transition. So far Early had a lot of work to do just to have as good a career. I will believe it when I see it.
wilkins was utterly mediocre, perhaps less than mediocre. his only saving grace was that he was a willing passer and he was not a chucker. he typified the 80s-90s knicks... a bridesmaid player on bridesmaids teams.
Did you watch him play?
you ask these type of questions often as if nobody else watches games, watched players, read articles etc ...
Gustav said he guessed dk hadn't seen him play. Dk didn't address it. I ask dk a lot because he admits to sometimes not watching.
holfresh@ 10/19/2015 10:13 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:E
dk7th wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Sangfroid wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Early looks like he could turn into a player similar to Gerald Wilkins, if he works on the holes in his game.
His floor is Gerald Wilkins ceiling, 'cause Gerald was an inconsistent mofo. His shot was totally erratic, just like Shumpert and THJr. With his new found confidence, I see minutes for him as backup big guard and backup small forward. He is clearly handling the ball much better. Something he didn't show at all last season.
Totally disagree with your comparison. Wilkins was a two way player, THJ and Shump have been one way players for most of their careers. THJ on offense, Shump on D. Shump cant even make a freaking layup, you couldnt get THJ to drive unless you put a gun to his head. Wilkins was not afraid to take it to the rim, the man could finish.
Id be thrilled if Early could put up the same career numbers. Early has a similar game, similar flaws. Wilkins was a better defender, passer, and scorer than Early was at this stage in his career. Injuries can only explain so much. There have been times since being drafted where I wouldnt know Early was subbed in, he was that much of a non factor. I hope his progress continues because you never know when Melo will go down.
what? Wilkens was a horrific offensive player.
I see Early and wilkens as the furthest extremes as players.
Wilikns wasnt a great shooter, but he was hardly horrific. He could finish in transition as well as almost anyone in the league.
if not for his defense and hand checking being allowed, he would have been a terrible player.
Today, he would be pretty worthless. The guy could not shoot and if you can't shoot today, you better at least be as good defensively as Tony Allen. And even he is becoming a liability in todays game.
He was a good finisher in transition. There are now 1000 guys who can do that, hardly enough.
Im guessing you didnt watch him play because Wilkins was a very good defender. He defended Jordan as well as anyone could, but you're saying he couldnt play D. As far as handchecking, you could say that about some of the best defenders in the league back then.
Not everyone can finish in traffic like Wilkins could, THJ and Shump sure can't. Wilkins had his flaws but he was better than Shump or THJ has ever been.
Early and Wilkins are very athletic players who can play D, and who thrive in transition. So far Early had a lot of work to do just to have as good a career. I will believe it when I see it.
wilkins was utterly mediocre, perhaps less than mediocre. his only saving grace was that he was a willing passer and he was not a chucker. he typified the 80s-90s knicks... a bridesmaid player on bridesmaids teams.
Did you watch him play?
you ask these type of questions often as if nobody else watches games, watched players, read articles etc ...
Gustav said he guessed dk hadn't seen him play. Dk didn't address it. I ask dk a lot because he admits to sometimes not watching.
Dk7 saw him play..He remembered bomb squad..
dk7th@ 10/19/2015 10:15 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:E
dk7th wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Sangfroid wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Early looks like he could turn into a player similar to Gerald Wilkins, if he works on the holes in his game.
His floor is Gerald Wilkins ceiling, 'cause Gerald was an inconsistent mofo. His shot was totally erratic, just like Shumpert and THJr. With his new found confidence, I see minutes for him as backup big guard and backup small forward. He is clearly handling the ball much better. Something he didn't show at all last season.
Totally disagree with your comparison. Wilkins was a two way player, THJ and Shump have been one way players for most of their careers. THJ on offense, Shump on D. Shump cant even make a freaking layup, you couldnt get THJ to drive unless you put a gun to his head. Wilkins was not afraid to take it to the rim, the man could finish.
Id be thrilled if Early could put up the same career numbers. Early has a similar game, similar flaws. Wilkins was a better defender, passer, and scorer than Early was at this stage in his career. Injuries can only explain so much. There have been times since being drafted where I wouldnt know Early was subbed in, he was that much of a non factor. I hope his progress continues because you never know when Melo will go down.
what? Wilkens was a horrific offensive player.
I see Early and wilkens as the furthest extremes as players.
Wilikns wasnt a great shooter, but he was hardly horrific. He could finish in transition as well as almost anyone in the league.
if not for his defense and hand checking being allowed, he would have been a terrible player.
Today, he would be pretty worthless. The guy could not shoot and if you can't shoot today, you better at least be as good defensively as Tony Allen. And even he is becoming a liability in todays game.
He was a good finisher in transition. There are now 1000 guys who can do that, hardly enough.
Im guessing you didnt watch him play because Wilkins was a very good defender. He defended Jordan as well as anyone could, but you're saying he couldnt play D. As far as handchecking, you could say that about some of the best defenders in the league back then.
Not everyone can finish in traffic like Wilkins could, THJ and Shump sure can't. Wilkins had his flaws but he was better than Shump or THJ has ever been.
Early and Wilkins are very athletic players who can play D, and who thrive in transition. So far Early had a lot of work to do just to have as good a career. I will believe it when I see it.
wilkins was utterly mediocre, perhaps less than mediocre. his only saving grace was that he was a willing passer and he was not a chucker. he typified the 80s-90s knicks... a bridesmaid player on bridesmaids teams.
Did you watch him play?
you ask these type of questions often as if nobody else watches games, watched players, read articles etc ...
Gustav said he guessed dk hadn't seen him play. Dk didn't address it. I ask dk a lot because he admits to sometimes not watching.
no.
he said i forgot about his transition offense, which in fact he was pretty good at. he was good in the open floor on a break. bfd. this is basketball 101, something every 5th grader is taught. he also said i forgot about his defense, presumably in the half court... which i did not mention because it was not worth mentioning... though eager he was often overmatched.
he did not question whether i watched him play-- so you are a liar.
mreinman@ 10/19/2015 10:17 PM
dk7th wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:E
dk7th wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Sangfroid wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Early looks like he could turn into a player similar to Gerald Wilkins, if he works on the holes in his game.
His floor is Gerald Wilkins ceiling, 'cause Gerald was an inconsistent mofo. His shot was totally erratic, just like Shumpert and THJr. With his new found confidence, I see minutes for him as backup big guard and backup small forward. He is clearly handling the ball much better. Something he didn't show at all last season.
Totally disagree with your comparison. Wilkins was a two way player, THJ and Shump have been one way players for most of their careers. THJ on offense, Shump on D. Shump cant even make a freaking layup, you couldnt get THJ to drive unless you put a gun to his head. Wilkins was not afraid to take it to the rim, the man could finish.
Id be thrilled if Early could put up the same career numbers. Early has a similar game, similar flaws. Wilkins was a better defender, passer, and scorer than Early was at this stage in his career. Injuries can only explain so much. There have been times since being drafted where I wouldnt know Early was subbed in, he was that much of a non factor. I hope his progress continues because you never know when Melo will go down.
what? Wilkens was a horrific offensive player.
I see Early and wilkens as the furthest extremes as players.
Wilikns wasnt a great shooter, but he was hardly horrific. He could finish in transition as well as almost anyone in the league.
if not for his defense and hand checking being allowed, he would have been a terrible player.
Today, he would be pretty worthless. The guy could not shoot and if you can't shoot today, you better at least be as good defensively as Tony Allen. And even he is becoming a liability in todays game.
He was a good finisher in transition. There are now 1000 guys who can do that, hardly enough.
Im guessing you didnt watch him play because Wilkins was a very good defender. He defended Jordan as well as anyone could, but you're saying he couldnt play D. As far as handchecking, you could say that about some of the best defenders in the league back then.
Not everyone can finish in traffic like Wilkins could, THJ and Shump sure can't. Wilkins had his flaws but he was better than Shump or THJ has ever been.
Early and Wilkins are very athletic players who can play D, and who thrive in transition. So far Early had a lot of work to do just to have as good a career. I will believe it when I see it.
wilkins was utterly mediocre, perhaps less than mediocre. his only saving grace was that he was a willing passer and he was not a chucker. he typified the 80s-90s knicks... a bridesmaid player on bridesmaids teams.
Did you watch him play?
you ask these type of questions often as if nobody else watches games, watched players, read articles etc ...
Gustav said he guessed dk hadn't seen him play. Dk didn't address it. I ask dk a lot because he admits to sometimes not watching.
no.
he said i forgot about his transition offense, which in fact he was pretty good at. he was good in the open floor on a break. bfd. this is basketball 101, something every 5th grader is taught. he also said i forgot about his defense, presumably in the half court... which i did not mention because it was not worth mentioning... though eager he was often overmatched.
he did not question whether i watched him play-- so you are a liar.
whoa .... easy
dk7th@ 10/19/2015 10:26 PM
mreinman wrote:
dk7th wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:E
dk7th wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Sangfroid wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Early looks like he could turn into a player similar to Gerald Wilkins, if he works on the holes in his game.
His floor is Gerald Wilkins ceiling, 'cause Gerald was an inconsistent mofo. His shot was totally erratic, just like Shumpert and THJr. With his new found confidence, I see minutes for him as backup big guard and backup small forward. He is clearly handling the ball much better. Something he didn't show at all last season.
Totally disagree with your comparison. Wilkins was a two way player, THJ and Shump have been one way players for most of their careers. THJ on offense, Shump on D. Shump cant even make a freaking layup, you couldnt get THJ to drive unless you put a gun to his head. Wilkins was not afraid to take it to the rim, the man could finish.
Id be thrilled if Early could put up the same career numbers. Early has a similar game, similar flaws. Wilkins was a better defender, passer, and scorer than Early was at this stage in his career. Injuries can only explain so much. There have been times since being drafted where I wouldnt know Early was subbed in, he was that much of a non factor. I hope his progress continues because you never know when Melo will go down.
what? Wilkens was a horrific offensive player.
I see Early and wilkens as the furthest extremes as players.
Wilikns wasnt a great shooter, but he was hardly horrific. He could finish in transition as well as almost anyone in the league.
if not for his defense and hand checking being allowed, he would have been a terrible player.
Today, he would be pretty worthless. The guy could not shoot and if you can't shoot today, you better at least be as good defensively as Tony Allen. And even he is becoming a liability in todays game.
He was a good finisher in transition. There are now 1000 guys who can do that, hardly enough.
Im guessing you didnt watch him play because Wilkins was a very good defender. He defended Jordan as well as anyone could, but you're saying he couldnt play D. As far as handchecking, you could say that about some of the best defenders in the league back then.
Not everyone can finish in traffic like Wilkins could, THJ and Shump sure can't. Wilkins had his flaws but he was better than Shump or THJ has ever been.
Early and Wilkins are very athletic players who can play D, and who thrive in transition. So far Early had a lot of work to do just to have as good a career. I will believe it when I see it.
wilkins was utterly mediocre, perhaps less than mediocre. his only saving grace was that he was a willing passer and he was not a chucker. he typified the 80s-90s knicks... a bridesmaid player on bridesmaids teams.
Did you watch him play?
you ask these type of questions often as if nobody else watches games, watched players, read articles etc ...
Gustav said he guessed dk hadn't seen him play. Dk didn't address it. I ask dk a lot because he admits to sometimes not watching.
no.
he said i forgot about his transition offense, which in fact he was pretty good at. he was good in the open floor on a break. bfd. this is basketball 101, something every 5th grader is taught. he also said i forgot about his defense, presumably in the half court... which i did not mention because it was not worth mentioning... though eager he was often overmatched.
he did not question whether i watched him play-- so you are a liar.
whoa .... easy
sorry. meant to say crushalot committed libel.
CrushAlot@ 10/19/2015 10:29 PM
dk7th wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:E
dk7th wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
mreinman wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Sangfroid wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Early looks like he could turn into a player similar to Gerald Wilkins, if he works on the holes in his game.
His floor is Gerald Wilkins ceiling, 'cause Gerald was an inconsistent mofo. His shot was totally erratic, just like Shumpert and THJr. With his new found confidence, I see minutes for him as backup big guard and backup small forward. He is clearly handling the ball much better. Something he didn't show at all last season.
Totally disagree with your comparison. Wilkins was a two way player, THJ and Shump have been one way players for most of their careers. THJ on offense, Shump on D. Shump cant even make a freaking layup, you couldnt get THJ to drive unless you put a gun to his head. Wilkins was not afraid to take it to the rim, the man could finish.
Id be thrilled if Early could put up the same career numbers. Early has a similar game, similar flaws. Wilkins was a better defender, passer, and scorer than Early was at this stage in his career. Injuries can only explain so much. There have been times since being drafted where I wouldnt know Early was subbed in, he was that much of a non factor. I hope his progress continues because you never know when Melo will go down.
what? Wilkens was a horrific offensive player.
I see Early and wilkens as the furthest extremes as players.
Wilikns wasnt a great shooter, but he was hardly horrific. He could finish in transition as well as almost anyone in the league.
if not for his defense and hand checking being allowed, he would have been a terrible player.
Today, he would be pretty worthless. The guy could not shoot and if you can't shoot today, you better at least be as good defensively as Tony Allen. And even he is becoming a liability in todays game.
He was a good finisher in transition. There are now 1000 guys who can do that, hardly enough.
Im guessing you didnt watch him play because Wilkins was a very good defender. He defended Jordan as well as anyone could, but you're saying he couldnt play D. As far as handchecking, you could say that about some of the best defenders in the league back then.
Not everyone can finish in traffic like Wilkins could, THJ and Shump sure can't. Wilkins had his flaws but he was better than Shump or THJ has ever been.
Early and Wilkins are very athletic players who can play D, and who thrive in transition. So far Early had a lot of work to do just to have as good a career. I will believe it when I see it.
wilkins was utterly mediocre, perhaps less than mediocre. his only saving grace was that he was a willing passer and he was not a chucker. he typified the 80s-90s knicks... a bridesmaid player on bridesmaids teams.
Did you watch him play?
you ask these type of questions often as if nobody else watches games, watched players, read articles etc ...
Gustav said he guessed dk hadn't seen him play. Dk didn't address it. I ask dk a lot because he admits to sometimes not watching.
no.
he said i forgot about his transition offense, which in fact he was pretty good at. he was good in the open floor on a break. bfd. this is basketball 101, something every 5th grader is taught. he also said i forgot about his defense, presumably in the half court... which i did not mention because it was not worth mentioning... though eager he was often overmatched.
he did not question whether i watched him play-- so you are a liar.
