Knicks · Jeremy Lin: Was open to return to Knicks, but team not interested.. (page 6)

Do you know who wins this argument?

Lin!!

Not to mention Lin in his own words stated he thought the Knicks would match. If he did all this because the Knicks had no interest then Y would he feel the Knicks would match. And saying he thought the Knicks would match almost confirms that second contract was geared strictly to get more money out of the Knicks and not because the Knicks had no interest in retaining him.

Unless he is lying.

newyorknewyork wrote:Not to mention Lin in his own words stated he thought the Knicks would match. If he did all this because the Knicks had no interest then Y would he feel the Knicks would match. And saying he thought the Knicks would match almost confirms that second contract was geared strictly to get more money out of the Knicks and not because the Knicks had no interest in retaining him.

Unless he is lying.

so lin did what EVERY player does...

people who don't like lin are going to try their damnedest to try to show him in the most negative possible light. just admit you didn't like his game. no need to contort history.

dk7th wrote:people who don't like lin Melo are going to try their damnedest to try to show him in the most negative possible light. just admit you didn't like his game. no need to contort history.

And/Or..

dk7th wrote:people who don't like lin are going to try their damnedest to try to show him in the most negative possible light. just admit you didn't like his game. no need to contort history.

thats how it goes i guess. Truthfully i have no idea why we are talking about lin anymore. Its been over 3 years since he left

StarksEwing1 wrote:

dk7th wrote:people who don't like lin are going to try their damnedest to try to show him in the most negative possible light. just admit you didn't like his game. no need to contort history.

thats how it goes i guess. Truthfully i have no idea why we are talking about lin anymore. Its been over 3 years since he left

Because there was an article in the Post yesterday about Lin.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Not to mention Lin in his own words stated he thought the Knicks would match. If he did all this because the Knicks had no interest then Y would he feel the Knicks would match. And saying he thought the Knicks would match almost confirms that second contract was geared strictly to get more money out of the Knicks and not because the Knicks had no interest in retaining him.

Unless he is lying.

so lin did what EVERY player does...

The thing is I have no problem with Lin doing this. This isn't to critic him. The only thing I'm arguing against is that the Knicks didn't want him and had no interest in resigning him. The narrative is pretty consistent and backed by Lin's own comments. Knicks didn't know Lin's value after all its all based on 25 games under MDA. All they could go by was that they could offer Lin 4 yrs 24mil. They wanted the market to give them an idea of what Lin's value was. Houston wanted Lin and offered him a nice sized contract. The Knicks then tried to scare Houston off that offer by claiming they would match up to 1 billion dollars. Houston instead of getting scared off offered a contract that would cost the Knicks 50mil extra. Knicks decided that tmit was to much to pay after. They gave it a hard look though which is y Grunwald had to hide in a closet or what ever the story was to buy time.

The comment against Lin isn't to attack him but to play devils advocate on the same critic that the Knicks receive for not offering him a contract. Lin's comments show that he himself personally felt that the Knicks had every intention of keeping him which goes against the narrative that Lin was treated like an unwanted step child and signing with Houston was only because the Knicks pushed him away.

newyorknewyork wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Not to mention Lin in his own words stated he thought the Knicks would match. If he did all this because the Knicks had no interest then Y would he feel the Knicks would match. And saying he thought the Knicks would match almost confirms that second contract was geared strictly to get more money out of the Knicks and not because the Knicks had no interest in retaining him.

Unless he is lying.

so lin did what EVERY player does...

The thing is I have no problem with Lin doing this. This isn't to critic him. The only thing I'm arguing against is that the Knicks didn't want him and had no interest in resigning him. The narrative is pretty consistent and backed by Lin's own comments. Knicks didn't know Lin's value after all its all based on 25 games under MDA. All they could go by was that they could offer Lin 4 yrs 24mil. They wanted the market to give them an idea of what Lin's value was. Houston wanted Lin and offered him a nice sized contract. The Knicks then tried to scare Houston off that offer by claiming they would match up to 1 billion dollars. Houston instead of getting scared off offered a contract that would cost the Knicks 50mil extra. Knicks decided that tmit was to much to pay after. They gave it a hard look though which is y Grunwald had to hide in a closet or what ever the story was to buy time.

The comment against Lin isn't to attack him but to play devils advocate on the same critic that the Knicks receive for not offering him a contract. Lin's comments show that he himself personally felt that the Knicks had every intention of keeping him which goes against the narrative that Lin was treated like an unwanted step child and signing with Houston was only because the Knicks pushed him away.

Completely agree with almost everything you said..I go one further..Lin didn't want back..I don't believe him..He would not have renegotiated the initial deal presented by Houston to further punish the Knicks if they matched..I think the story out at the time was that it was Lin and his agent's idea to add more money on the third year..So I don't buy the story that he wanted back..

But hey, it was a win win for everyone..He and his agent should have realized that bridge was burnt..

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utter and complete nonsense. the knicks had every opportunity to prevent lin from getting another contract. shame on them for not appreciating his value to the franchise-- the "being not sure of his value" is sheer foolishness. he proved his value to a d'antoni-centric team. the only parties not enthused about lin were the owner and his special friend. lin wanted to remain a knick.

everything else is white noise.

really? six pages? still?

dk7th wrote:^^^^^
utter and complete nonsense. the knicks had every opportunity to prevent lin from getting another contract. shame on them for not appreciating his value to the franchise-- the "being not sure of his value" is sheer foolishness. he proved his value to a d'antoni-centric team. the only parties not enthused about lin were the owner and his special friend. lin wanted to remain a knick.

everything else is white noise.

the utter and complete nonsense is the contract that the rockets offered him after 7-8 games of stellar play.

It's truly mesmerizing that someone who got embarrasingly destroyed by the likes of Deron Williams while he was still here, and then subsequently outplayed and benched in favor of the likes of HOF'er's Patrick Beverly and Toney Douglas, still pulls a tremendous amount of gooey groupie love from MeloHaters.

And all of Linsanity happening during the "junior varsity" portion of the NBA season, no less. Hmmmmm.

I can't wait for the Steve Novak appreciation threads to start popping up, stating how Melo drove him out of NYC because the OWNER'S DOUCHE didn't want anyone else hitting threes...

Here is a link to an article about the Lin signing from the Rockets perspective.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/20...

Some things that should clarify things that a lot of posters and fans seemed to have been misinformed.

1. Lin did not fire his original agent. His agent was new and needed help. He hired another agent(Tanner) to help Montgomery with the negotiations. The article shows that Tanner and Montgomery were working with Morey together.
2. Morey only made an offer once. He did not think they can get Lin with the initial draft that they presented internally. The Rocket owner told them to get more aggressive hence the backloaded contract.
3. Lin's camp did not ask to renegotiate. Morey told them they want to give them more money and they said yes.
4. Grunwald played hide-and-seek with Morey and tried not to accept the contract. He probably figured out that he messed up and should have offered Lin the MLE which would have been around 4M per year.
5. Woodson's boast that the Knicks will match anything up to a billion dollars forced Alexander to up the ante.

The main thing to remember here is that Lin only received 1 offer sheet. Just one. Exactly what was he supposed to do? For the Knicks to sign him he would need to sign the offer sheet.

Also...Lin was told by the Knicks to go and set your value by negotiating with other teams. Again...what exactly did he do wrong? If you were Lin I think you would also think that the Knicks never really wanted you back by how everything transpired.

I love Lin. Wish he is still here. I am happy he is now in Charlotte.

I love my Knicks. I am happy we have KP6 and Grant. I am happy Willy is coming next year. I am happy that Melo seems to be playing team ball now.

Linsanity was a great time. I am so ecstatic to watch our youngins develop and win us our championship. Go NY Go NY Go!!!

NYKBocker wrote:Here is a link to an article about the Lin signing from the Rockets perspective.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/20...

Some things that should clarify things that a lot of posters and fans seemed to have been misinformed.

1. Lin did not fire his original agent. His agent was new and needed help. He hired another agent(Tanner) to help Montgomery with the negotiations. The article shows that Tanner and Montgomery were working with Morey together.
2. Morey only made an offer once. He did not think they can get Lin with the initial draft that they presented internally. The Rocket owner told them to get more aggressive hence the backloaded contract.
3. Lin's camp did not ask to renegotiate. Morey told them they want to give them more money and they said yes.
4. Grunwald played hide-and-seek with Morey and tried not to accept the contract. He probably figured out that he messed up and should have offered Lin the MLE which would have been around 4M per year.
5. Woodson's boast that the Knicks will match anything up to a billion dollars forced Alexander to up the ante.

The main thing to remember here is that Lin only received 1 offer sheet. Just one. Exactly what was he supposed to do? For the Knicks to sign him he would need to sign the offer sheet.

Also...Lin was told by the Knicks to go and set your value by negotiating with other teams. Again...what exactly did he do wrong? If you were Lin I think you would also think that the Knicks never really wanted you back by how everything transpired.

I love Lin. Wish he is still here. I am happy he is now in Charlotte.

I love my Knicks. I am happy we have KP6 and Grant. I am happy Willy is coming next year. I am happy that Melo seems to be playing team ball now.

Linsanity was a great time. I am so ecstatic to watch our youngins develop and win us our championship. Go NY Go NY Go!!!

Melo is playing team ball now?

Melo is hitting his shots at a good rate. Team ball? Yet to be determined.

NYKBocker wrote:Here is a link to an article about the Lin signing from the Rockets perspective.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/20...

Some things that should clarify things that a lot of posters and fans seemed to have been misinformed.

1. Lin did not fire his original agent. His agent was new and needed help. He hired another agent(Tanner) to help Montgomery with the negotiations. The article shows that Tanner and Montgomery were working with Morey together.
2. Morey only made an offer once. He did not think they can get Lin with the initial draft that they presented internally. The Rocket owner told them to get more aggressive hence the backloaded contract.
3. Lin's camp did not ask to renegotiate. Morey told them they want to give them more money and they said yes.
4. Grunwald played hide-and-seek with Morey and tried not to accept the contract. He probably figured out that he messed up and should have offered Lin the MLE which would have been around 4M per year.
5. Woodson's boast that the Knicks will match anything up to a billion dollars forced Alexander to up the ante.

The main thing to remember here is that Lin only received 1 offer sheet. Just one. Exactly what was he supposed to do? For the Knicks to sign him he would need to sign the offer sheet.

Also...Lin was told by the Knicks to go and set your value by negotiating with other teams. Again...what exactly did he do wrong? If you were Lin I think you would also think that the Knicks never really wanted you back by how everything transpired.

I love Lin. Wish he is still here. I am happy he is now in Charlotte.

I love my Knicks. I am happy we have KP6 and Grant. I am happy Willy is coming next year. I am happy that Melo seems to be playing team ball now.

Linsanity was a great time. I am so ecstatic to watch our youngins develop and win us our championship. Go NY Go NY Go!!!

Finally some facts not insinuations.
The truth is clear to anybody with open mind.
Dolan and his cronies, Melo and his cronies will never accept anybody with better marketing and brand prospects in NY.
They always wanted to be the center of attention for the egocentric reasons and for business reasons too.
Also have a likable person around will always highlight the MSG snake-nest it was at a time.

NYKBocker wrote:Here is a link to an article about the Lin signing from the Rockets perspective.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/20...

Some things that should clarify things that a lot of posters and fans seemed to have been misinformed.

1. Lin did not fire his original agent. His agent was new and needed help. He hired another agent(Tanner) to help Montgomery with the negotiations. The article shows that Tanner and Montgomery were working with Morey together.
2. Morey only made an offer once. He did not think they can get Lin with the initial draft that they presented internally. The Rocket owner told them to get more aggressive hence the backloaded contract.
3. Lin's camp did not ask to renegotiate. Morey told them they want to give them more money and they said yes.
4. Grunwald played hide-and-seek with Morey and tried not to accept the contract. He probably figured out that he messed up and should have offered Lin the MLE which would have been around 4M per year.
5. Woodson's boast that the Knicks will match anything up to a billion dollars forced Alexander to up the ante.

The main thing to remember here is that Lin only received 1 offer sheet. Just one. Exactly what was he supposed to do? For the Knicks to sign him he would need to sign the offer sheet.

Also...Lin was told by the Knicks to go and set your value by negotiating with other teams. Again...what exactly did he do wrong? If you were Lin I think you would also think that the Knicks never really wanted you back by how everything transpired.

I love Lin. Wish he is still here. I am happy he is now in Charlotte.

I love my Knicks. I am happy we have KP6 and Grant. I am happy Willy is coming next year. I am happy that Melo seems to be playing team ball now.

Linsanity was a great time. I am so ecstatic to watch our youngins develop and win us our championship. Go NY Go NY Go!!!

Per number 4. Just a theory but I think they were looking to see if they could find a taker for Amare that maybe had a shorter deal or less money on the contract to avoid the tax.

Now back to buisness. This number that you spit out that the Knicks should have offered mid level is all after the fact. Y would the Knicks bid against themselves without knowing what Lin's value was? Y would Lin accept a deal without testing the market without knowing what his value was? These viewpoints are based of emotion and not reality. Both the Knicks and Lin made smart and prudent buisness decisions. Anything outside of what they actually did would go against the reality of buisness and more into fantasy. The fantasy of Knicks offering a blind contract and the fantasy of Lin accepting less. Due to his unconditional love for the Knicks.

And just to play along. Lin didn't have to sign Houston's offer. He could have presented that offer a the Knicks without signing and worked out a deal based off that offer. You know since he had unco ditional love for the Knicks and all. For example Jr Smith was offered 8mil per from the Bucks. But never signed the offer sheet, came back to the Knicks worked out a deal giving him 6.5mil per.

The reason I bring this up is because some of you hypocritically expect the Knicks to have acted out of emotion and not based on buisness, But then are fine with Lin acting purely based on buisness and not on emotion. Both did the prudent business moves period. Houston just offered up a messed up contract. Which they ended up dumping.

anytime anybody asks why we are still talking about Lin, just count the number of pages in that current Lin thread.

mreinman wrote:anytime anybody asks why we are still talking about Lin, just count the number of pages in that current Lin thread.

This is not about Lin but about Knicks front office at a time.
The best business for Knicks was to sign Lin ASAP.
It will get so much money in from Asian community in NY and beyond that any contractual obligations will be a joke.
It was not business for MSG but pure emotions.
Jimmy never was about business. He has enough money to not be when it is about his plantation.

Lin and his Hornets team are off to a good start. He would have been wasted if he came back to New York. He's in a better place, with a better group of guys. No more ridiculous contracts hanging over his head. No more ridiculous expectations hanging over his head. You might just see Linsanity 2.0 happen in Charlotte.

I think going forward, if a player wants to stay with a team, DON'T accept poison pill contracts. You are just hurting your old team by matching.
But, it is about the money. We told Lin to get an offer, so we are to blame there.
Yet Lin shares some of the responsibility. Maybe I'm too much of a human being, but I would not sign a poison pill contract with Houston when I could play in NY.

I loved Lin here and wanted us to match that offer and when we didn't but then spent more money on the Geriatric Bunch, I thought "This was personal."