Knicks · THIS Is What .500 (ish) Looks Like (page 1)
Most fans would more than likely have signed up willingly for a .500 record (41-41) for the season, even the highly-critical, highly volatile ones.
The point is, THIS is how you play .500. Was anyone expecting 41 good loses where you come away satisfied the Knicks played well but just were out talented?
No, EVERY loss is a frustrating one. If they get blown out they likely played terribly. If thy lose a close game, there WILL be a player(s) who didn't perform well or a coaching decision you'd second guess or a lead blown.
There is NO good loss. But again, in more than likely ideal circumstances, the Knicks are GOING to lose 37-38 more games JUST like Atlanta, SA and Cleveland.
More than a few of those losses will be bad games against bad teams. More than a few will be lost in the 4th quarter. In more than a few of them the bench will be awful. In more than a few of them the starters will be awful. THAT's how you lose 41 games in the NBA.
THIS is .500. If the Knicks could fix all the complaints about the SA and Cleveland games, they'd be an elite title contender.
Get used to this.
Big picture.
I did not think that we would win more than 33ish games but based on what I have seen so far, I think that 500 is very doable and to me, that is great.
One thing, if KP gets hurt, we are screwed and our record will plummet. His body type scares everyone IMHO.
Fingers crossed.
mreinman wrote:the knicks could have won this game and perhaps 1 other one and that is a bit upsetting...
And that's my point. IF the Knicks manage to lose ONLY 41 games this season, a good amount of them, maybe even a majority, will be games the Knicks arguably could have won. You don't lose 41 blowouts.
Big picture-wise, it's a GOOD thing if in a high number of losses, a fan comes away frustrated because they think the Knicks could have won it. That's a sign of progress.
bigbasketballs wrote:Knicks have played 3 on the road, 2 at home, has only played 2014-15 playoff qualifying teams with three of them (the three losses) all being arguably elite teams.Most fans would more than likely have signed up willingly for a .500 record (41-41) for the season, even the highly-critical, highly volatile ones.
The point is, THIS is how you play .500. Was anyone expecting 41 good loses where you come away satisfied the Knicks played well but just were out talented?
No, EVERY loss is a frustrating one. If they get blown out they likely played terribly. If thy lose a close game, there WILL be a player(s) who didn't perform well or a coaching decision you'd second guess or a lead blown.
There is NO good loss. But again, in more than likely ideal circumstances, the Knicks are GOING to lose 37-38 more games JUST like Atlanta, SA and Cleveland.
More than a few of those losses will be bad games against bad teams. More than a few will be lost in the 4th quarter. In more than a few of them the bench will be awful. In more than a few of them the starters will be awful. THAT's how you lose 41 games in the NBA.
THIS is .500. If the Knicks could fix all the complaints about the SA and Cleveland games, they'd be an elite title contender.
Get used to this.
Big picture.
Well said.
I prefer we shuttle the line up after each loss then blame it on shuttling the line up after every loss.
bigbasketballs wrote:Knicks have played 3 on the road, 2 at home, has only played 2014-15 playoff qualifying teams with three of them (the three losses) all being arguably elite teams.Most fans would more than likely have signed up willingly for a .500 record (41-41) for the season, even the highly-critical, highly volatile ones.
The point is, THIS is how you play .500. Was anyone expecting 41 good loses where you come away satisfied the Knicks played well but just were out talented?
No, EVERY loss is a frustrating one. If they get blown out they likely played terribly. If thy lose a close game, there WILL be a player(s) who didn't perform well or a coaching decision you'd second guess or a lead blown.
There is NO good loss. But again, in more than likely ideal circumstances, the Knicks are GOING to lose 37-38 more games JUST like Atlanta, SA and Cleveland.
More than a few of those losses will be bad games against bad teams. More than a few will be lost in the 4th quarter. In more than a few of them the bench will be awful. In more than a few of them the starters will be awful. THAT's how you lose 41 games in the NBA.
THIS is .500. If the Knicks could fix all the complaints about the SA and Cleveland games, they'd be an elite title contender.
Get used to this.
Big picture.
Nope this team wont be .500 with this particular coach. I thought they would--I really thought we had a second scorer in the pre season there with D Will but I think were more a 32-34 win team max.
IF we can get back a healthy Affalo and then Fischer integrates the players in a correct fashion--then its possible that we can play .500 or slightly better but my vote of confidence for Fischer is very very low. I think there are plenty of college coaches who could do wonders with the Knicks.
Knixkik wrote:Considering the 5 teams that we played, 2-3 is a very good start to the season. These are all teams even an improved Knicks team is supposed to lose to. The key will be beating the teams we are supposed to beat.
They're going to lose some of those too… and they're going to win games you don't expect them to.
BRIGGS wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:Knicks have played 3 on the road, 2 at home, has only played 2014-15 playoff qualifying teams with three of them (the three losses) all being arguably elite teams.Most fans would more than likely have signed up willingly for a .500 record (41-41) for the season, even the highly-critical, highly volatile ones.
The point is, THIS is how you play .500. Was anyone expecting 41 good loses where you come away satisfied the Knicks played well but just were out talented?
No, EVERY loss is a frustrating one. If they get blown out they likely played terribly. If thy lose a close game, there WILL be a player(s) who didn't perform well or a coaching decision you'd second guess or a lead blown.
There is NO good loss. But again, in more than likely ideal circumstances, the Knicks are GOING to lose 37-38 more games JUST like Atlanta, SA and Cleveland.
More than a few of those losses will be bad games against bad teams. More than a few will be lost in the 4th quarter. In more than a few of them the bench will be awful. In more than a few of them the starters will be awful. THAT's how you lose 41 games in the NBA.
THIS is .500. If the Knicks could fix all the complaints about the SA and Cleveland games, they'd be an elite title contender.
Get used to this.
Big picture.
Nope this team wont be .500 with this particular coach. I thought they would--I really thought we had a second scorer in the pre season there with D Will but I think were more a 32-34 win team max.
So 2-3 vs the Bucks, Wiz and Cavs on the road and Hawks and Spurs at home tells you they can't be .500?
So then what, they'd have to go 3-2, 4-1 or 5-0 to tell you they could be a .500 team?
bigbasketballs wrote:BRIGGS wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:Knicks have played 3 on the road, 2 at home, has only played 2014-15 playoff qualifying teams with three of them (the three losses) all being arguably elite teams.Most fans would more than likely have signed up willingly for a .500 record (41-41) for the season, even the highly-critical, highly volatile ones.
The point is, THIS is how you play .500. Was anyone expecting 41 good loses where you come away satisfied the Knicks played well but just were out talented?
No, EVERY loss is a frustrating one. If they get blown out they likely played terribly. If thy lose a close game, there WILL be a player(s) who didn't perform well or a coaching decision you'd second guess or a lead blown.
There is NO good loss. But again, in more than likely ideal circumstances, the Knicks are GOING to lose 37-38 more games JUST like Atlanta, SA and Cleveland.
More than a few of those losses will be bad games against bad teams. More than a few will be lost in the 4th quarter. In more than a few of them the bench will be awful. In more than a few of them the starters will be awful. THAT's how you lose 41 games in the NBA.
THIS is .500. If the Knicks could fix all the complaints about the SA and Cleveland games, they'd be an elite title contender.
Get used to this.
Big picture.
Nope this team wont be .500 with this particular coach. I thought they would--I really thought we had a second scorer in the pre season there with D Will but I think were more a 32-34 win team max.
So 2-3 vs the Bucks, Wiz and Cavs on the road and Hawks and Spurs at home tells you they can't be .500?
So then what, they'd have to go 3-2, 4-1 or 5-0 to tell you they could be a .500 team?
Milwaukee was without half its roster.
Since that game we are 1-3 scoring 95 a game.
BRIGGS wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:BRIGGS wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:Knicks have played 3 on the road, 2 at home, has only played 2014-15 playoff qualifying teams with three of them (the three losses) all being arguably elite teams.Most fans would more than likely have signed up willingly for a .500 record (41-41) for the season, even the highly-critical, highly volatile ones.
The point is, THIS is how you play .500. Was anyone expecting 41 good loses where you come away satisfied the Knicks played well but just were out talented?
No, EVERY loss is a frustrating one. If they get blown out they likely played terribly. If thy lose a close game, there WILL be a player(s) who didn't perform well or a coaching decision you'd second guess or a lead blown.
There is NO good loss. But again, in more than likely ideal circumstances, the Knicks are GOING to lose 37-38 more games JUST like Atlanta, SA and Cleveland.
More than a few of those losses will be bad games against bad teams. More than a few will be lost in the 4th quarter. In more than a few of them the bench will be awful. In more than a few of them the starters will be awful. THAT's how you lose 41 games in the NBA.
THIS is .500. If the Knicks could fix all the complaints about the SA and Cleveland games, they'd be an elite title contender.
Get used to this.
Big picture.
Nope this team wont be .500 with this particular coach. I thought they would--I really thought we had a second scorer in the pre season there with D Will but I think were more a 32-34 win team max.
So 2-3 vs the Bucks, Wiz and Cavs on the road and Hawks and Spurs at home tells you they can't be .500?
So then what, they'd have to go 3-2, 4-1 or 5-0 to tell you they could be a .500 team?
Milwaukee was without half its roster.
Since that game we are 1-3 scoring 95 a game.
So that's that? Having two tough offensive games against the Cavs and Spurs predicts the remaining 78 games?
That's reasonable.
So whether it's triangle or what, Fisher has to develop that offensive strategy then work Melo in spots...Worked like magic for Woodson...They tried it on a couple of sets last night and didn't look fluid...They need work...There is no offensive rhythm or anything where they come down court and say this is what we are going to do outside of Melo...They have to get there if they want to be a .500 team...
bigbasketballs wrote:Knixkik wrote:Considering the 5 teams that we played, 2-3 is a very good start to the season. These are all teams even an improved Knicks team is supposed to lose to. The key will be beating the teams we are supposed to beat.They're going to lose some of those too… and they're going to win games you don't expect them to.
Of course, that's expected.
BRIGGS wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:Knicks have played 3 on the road, 2 at home, has only played 2014-15 playoff qualifying teams with three of them (the three losses) all being arguably elite teams.Most fans would more than likely have signed up willingly for a .500 record (41-41) for the season, even the highly-critical, highly volatile ones.
The point is, THIS is how you play .500. Was anyone expecting 41 good loses where you come away satisfied the Knicks played well but just were out talented?
No, EVERY loss is a frustrating one. If they get blown out they likely played terribly. If thy lose a close game, there WILL be a player(s) who didn't perform well or a coaching decision you'd second guess or a lead blown.
There is NO good loss. But again, in more than likely ideal circumstances, the Knicks are GOING to lose 37-38 more games JUST like Atlanta, SA and Cleveland.
More than a few of those losses will be bad games against bad teams. More than a few will be lost in the 4th quarter. In more than a few of them the bench will be awful. In more than a few of them the starters will be awful. THAT's how you lose 41 games in the NBA.
THIS is .500. If the Knicks could fix all the complaints about the SA and Cleveland games, they'd be an elite title contender.
Get used to this.
Big picture.
Nope this team wont be .500 with this particular coach. I thought they would--I really thought we had a second scorer in the pre season there with D Will but I think were more a 32-34 win team max.
IF we can get back a healthy Affalo and then Fischer integrates the players in a correct fashion--then its possible that we can play .500 or slightly better but my vote of confidence for Fischer is very very low. I think there are plenty of college coaches who could do wonders with the Knicks.
Prerequisite is they will run the triangle, right?
So you think after 5 games, 2 wins you are ready to change the coach?
Just keep changing the coach every year, maybe two and see if we can build continuity and culture?
Read from berman that Tyrone Lue should be a head coach and your gullible to "ooh, many he on the hot seat, since im smarter than everyone I can proclaim the abstract "College coach" and look good!!!"
Fisher is not going anywhere until he decides he don't want to do this. He wants to, he'll stick.
holfresh wrote:The key for the Knicks will be to set up an alternative offensive strategy outside of Melo..It's the reason Woodson was successful here...The four other guys have to find a way to establish an offensive game plan then let Melo either work in or do his thing and play off that..With Woodson, Felton played pick and roll ball and the rest of the team fed off that...Chandler got alley hoops, the rest set up at the three point line for the kick out and Kidd made the extra pass...
So whether it's triangle or what, Fisher has to develop that offensive strategy then work Melo in spots...Worked like magic for Woodson...They tried it on a couple of sets last night and didn't look fluid...They need work...There is no offensive rhythm or anything where they come down court and say this is what we are going to do outside of Melo...They have to get there if they want to be a .500 team...
This team is MOSTLY comprised of young and unproven players so them looking a bit unsure and lost at times isn't coaching. It's what you get with a bunch of young players and when what should be your top players in Melo and Afflalo not fully healthy and carrying the action as intended.
Not to mention it's only 5 games against tough defensive playoff teams that make most teams look bad offensively!!! F'n PERSPECTIVE...
nixluva wrote:holfresh wrote:The key for the Knicks will be to set up an alternative offensive strategy outside of Melo..It's the reason Woodson was successful here...The four other guys have to find a way to establish an offensive game plan then let Melo either work in or do his thing and play off that..With Woodson, Felton played pick and roll ball and the rest of the team fed off that...Chandler got alley hoops, the rest set up at the three point line for the kick out and Kidd made the extra pass...
So whether it's triangle or what, Fisher has to develop that offensive strategy then work Melo in spots...Worked like magic for Woodson...They tried it on a couple of sets last night and didn't look fluid...They need work...There is no offensive rhythm or anything where they come down court and say this is what we are going to do outside of Melo...They have to get there if they want to be a .500 team...This team is MOSTLY comprised of young and unproven players so them looking a bit unsure and lost at times isn't coaching. It's what you get with a bunch of young players and when what should be your top players in Melo and Afflalo not fully healthy and carrying the action as intended.
Not to mention it's only 5 games against tough defensive playoff teams that make most teams look bad offensively!!! F'n PERSPECTIVE...
Thus the reason most coaches eases rookies into the line up..Enough f'n perspective for u?..
Why are u so rude dude?
holfresh wrote:nixluva wrote:holfresh wrote:The key for the Knicks will be to set up an alternative offensive strategy outside of Melo..It's the reason Woodson was successful here...The four other guys have to find a way to establish an offensive game plan then let Melo either work in or do his thing and play off that..With Woodson, Felton played pick and roll ball and the rest of the team fed off that...Chandler got alley hoops, the rest set up at the three point line for the kick out and Kidd made the extra pass...
So whether it's triangle or what, Fisher has to develop that offensive strategy then work Melo in spots...Worked like magic for Woodson...They tried it on a couple of sets last night and didn't look fluid...They need work...There is no offensive rhythm or anything where they come down court and say this is what we are going to do outside of Melo...They have to get there if they want to be a .500 team...This team is MOSTLY comprised of young and unproven players so them looking a bit unsure and lost at times isn't coaching. It's what you get with a bunch of young players and when what should be your top players in Melo and Afflalo not fully healthy and carrying the action as intended.
Not to mention it's only 5 games against tough defensive playoff teams that make most teams look bad offensively!!! F'n PERSPECTIVE...
Thus the reason most coaches eases rookies into the line up..Enough f'n perspective for u?..
Why are u so rude dude?
My so called rudeness is due to your post. Talking about Woodson having offensive plans? Can't think of many worse examples of offensive creativity. The only thing worth talking about he stole from MDA.
On top of that you're talking about the rest of the guys having an offensive game plan outside of Melo? The game plan is the Triangle System which is time tested! They've already been given a game plan but it's gonna take time to perfect their execution as a unit and as individuals. They're being taught to think the game at a level far beyond anything Woodson tried to teach. When the team really needs Woody he had NOTHING! Vogel laughed at him!
They have a fully formed game plan but top defensive teams have been able to take our players out of what they want to do. They look to disrupt the timing of our motion and play the passing lanes. This will take more time for our players to react to what the D is doing and run counters to the D they face. It's a process. Our kids aren't Jedi yet. They have much to learn.
nixluva wrote:holfresh wrote:nixluva wrote:holfresh wrote:The key for the Knicks will be to set up an alternative offensive strategy outside of Melo..It's the reason Woodson was successful here...The four other guys have to find a way to establish an offensive game plan then let Melo either work in or do his thing and play off that..With Woodson, Felton played pick and roll ball and the rest of the team fed off that...Chandler got alley hoops, the rest set up at the three point line for the kick out and Kidd made the extra pass...
So whether it's triangle or what, Fisher has to develop that offensive strategy then work Melo in spots...Worked like magic for Woodson...They tried it on a couple of sets last night and didn't look fluid...They need work...There is no offensive rhythm or anything where they come down court and say this is what we are going to do outside of Melo...They have to get there if they want to be a .500 team...This team is MOSTLY comprised of young and unproven players so them looking a bit unsure and lost at times isn't coaching. It's what you get with a bunch of young players and when what should be your top players in Melo and Afflalo not fully healthy and carrying the action as intended.
Not to mention it's only 5 games against tough defensive playoff teams that make most teams look bad offensively!!! F'n PERSPECTIVE...
Thus the reason most coaches eases rookies into the line up..Enough f'n perspective for u?..
Why are u so rude dude?My so called rudeness is due to your post. Talking about Woodson having offensive plans? Can't think of many worse examples of offensive creativity. The only thing worth talking about he stole from MDA.
On top of that you're talking about the rest of the guys having an offensive game plan outside of Melo? The game plan is the Triangle System which is time tested! They've already been given a game plan but it's gonna take time to perfect their execution as a unit and as individuals. They're being taught to think the game at a level far beyond anything Woodson tried to teach. When the team really needs Woody he had NOTHING! Vogel laughed at him!
They have a fully formed game plan but top defensive teams have been able to take our players out of what they want to do. They look to disrupt the timing of our motion and play the passing lanes. This will take more time for our players to react to what the D is doing and run counters to the D they face. It's a process. Our kids aren't Jedi yet. They have much to learn.
MDA was too dumb to understand he needed to turn Melo loose..What did Woodson do with the exact same players?.Results!!..MDA couldn't use Gasol or DHow and u defend to your grave...
holfresh wrote:nixluva wrote:holfresh wrote:nixluva wrote:holfresh wrote:The key for the Knicks will be to set up an alternative offensive strategy outside of Melo..It's the reason Woodson was successful here...The four other guys have to find a way to establish an offensive game plan then let Melo either work in or do his thing and play off that..With Woodson, Felton played pick and roll ball and the rest of the team fed off that...Chandler got alley hoops, the rest set up at the three point line for the kick out and Kidd made the extra pass...
So whether it's triangle or what, Fisher has to develop that offensive strategy then work Melo in spots...Worked like magic for Woodson...They tried it on a couple of sets last night and didn't look fluid...They need work...There is no offensive rhythm or anything where they come down court and say this is what we are going to do outside of Melo...They have to get there if they want to be a .500 team...This team is MOSTLY comprised of young and unproven players so them looking a bit unsure and lost at times isn't coaching. It's what you get with a bunch of young players and when what should be your top players in Melo and Afflalo not fully healthy and carrying the action as intended.
Not to mention it's only 5 games against tough defensive playoff teams that make most teams look bad offensively!!! F'n PERSPECTIVE...
Thus the reason most coaches eases rookies into the line up..Enough f'n perspective for u?..
Why are u so rude dude?My so called rudeness is due to your post. Talking about Woodson having offensive plans? Can't think of many worse examples of offensive creativity. The only thing worth talking about he stole from MDA.
On top of that you're talking about the rest of the guys having an offensive game plan outside of Melo? The game plan is the Triangle System which is time tested! They've already been given a game plan but it's gonna take time to perfect their execution as a unit and as individuals. They're being taught to think the game at a level far beyond anything Woodson tried to teach. When the team really needs Woody he had NOTHING! Vogel laughed at him!
They have a fully formed game plan but top defensive teams have been able to take our players out of what they want to do. They look to disrupt the timing of our motion and play the passing lanes. This will take more time for our players to react to what the D is doing and run counters to the D they face. It's a process. Our kids aren't Jedi yet. They have much to learn.
MDA was too dumb to understand he needed to turn Melo loose..What did Woodson do with the exact same players?.Results!!
Yeah Melo was being held back by MDA! SMDH! I can't converse with you if you're not going to stick to reality. Melo's struggles were self created. Melo has NEVER looked as impressive as he has running MDA's offense with the Olympic teams. He wasn't playing Melo ball then which only proves Melo can in FACT play a different way but he chooses not to. Literally everyone knows that Melo is best when he goes quick and in the flow of the offense rather than hold the ball and go ISO MELO.
Look I'm not gonna argue with you about offensive tactics since I actually have MDA's plays and Tex Winters book as well. I spend time learning basketball X's and O's. If I was just talking out of my ass about this stuff it would be one thing but I'm not.
It's gonna take time for our players to really master the offense and execute at high speed which is necessary to counter what defenses want to do. It has to become second nature and instinctive. The decision making and team chemistry will take time. This is a process. Let's leave Woody in the trash heap of BBall history. He's not one of the great minds in BBall history.
nixluva wrote:holfresh wrote:nixluva wrote:holfresh wrote:nixluva wrote:holfresh wrote:The key for the Knicks will be to set up an alternative offensive strategy outside of Melo..It's the reason Woodson was successful here...The four other guys have to find a way to establish an offensive game plan then let Melo either work in or do his thing and play off that..With Woodson, Felton played pick and roll ball and the rest of the team fed off that...Chandler got alley hoops, the rest set up at the three point line for the kick out and Kidd made the extra pass...
So whether it's triangle or what, Fisher has to develop that offensive strategy then work Melo in spots...Worked like magic for Woodson...They tried it on a couple of sets last night and didn't look fluid...They need work...There is no offensive rhythm or anything where they come down court and say this is what we are going to do outside of Melo...They have to get there if they want to be a .500 team...This team is MOSTLY comprised of young and unproven players so them looking a bit unsure and lost at times isn't coaching. It's what you get with a bunch of young players and when what should be your top players in Melo and Afflalo not fully healthy and carrying the action as intended.
Not to mention it's only 5 games against tough defensive playoff teams that make most teams look bad offensively!!! F'n PERSPECTIVE...
Thus the reason most coaches eases rookies into the line up..Enough f'n perspective for u?..
Why are u so rude dude?My so called rudeness is due to your post. Talking about Woodson having offensive plans? Can't think of many worse examples of offensive creativity. The only thing worth talking about he stole from MDA.
On top of that you're talking about the rest of the guys having an offensive game plan outside of Melo? The game plan is the Triangle System which is time tested! They've already been given a game plan but it's gonna take time to perfect their execution as a unit and as individuals. They're being taught to think the game at a level far beyond anything Woodson tried to teach. When the team really needs Woody he had NOTHING! Vogel laughed at him!
They have a fully formed game plan but top defensive teams have been able to take our players out of what they want to do. They look to disrupt the timing of our motion and play the passing lanes. This will take more time for our players to react to what the D is doing and run counters to the D they face. It's a process. Our kids aren't Jedi yet. They have much to learn.
MDA was too dumb to understand he needed to turn Melo loose..What did Woodson do with the exact same players?.Results!!Yeah Melo was being held back by MDA! SMDH! I can't converse with you if you're not going to stick to reality. Melo's struggles were self created. Melo has NEVER looked as impressive as he has running MDA's offense with the Olympic teams. He wasn't playing Melo ball then which only proves Melo can in FACT play a different way but he chooses not to. Literally everyone knows that Melo is best when he goes quick and in the flow of the offense rather than hold the ball and go ISO MELO.
Look I'm not gonna argue with you about offensive tactics since I actually have MDA's plays and Tex Winters book as well. I spend time learning basketball X's and O's. If I was just talking out of my ass about this stuff it would be one thing but I'm not.
It's gonna take time for our players to really master the offense and execute at high speed which is necessary to counter what defenses want to do. It has to become second nature and instinctive. The decision making and team chemistry will take time. This is a process. Let's leave Woody in the trash heap of BBall history. He's not one of the great minds in BBall history.
It's not ISO Melo, it's common sense..Look at Phil's ring count with Kobe and MJ taking 27/28 shots per in the playoffs..Wake up for once..Just this once...Look at results...Triangle hell, Kobe, MJ, Shaq and Gasol was posting guys up and taking them...U can read all the books you want..Phil will tell you 25 shots a game isn't basketball..Mike was taking 28 per..I don't see him giving back any rings because it wasn't basketball..
holfresh wrote:nixluva wrote:holfresh wrote:nixluva wrote:holfresh wrote:nixluva wrote:holfresh wrote:The key for the Knicks will be to set up an alternative offensive strategy outside of Melo..It's the reason Woodson was successful here...The four other guys have to find a way to establish an offensive game plan then let Melo either work in or do his thing and play off that..With Woodson, Felton played pick and roll ball and the rest of the team fed off that...Chandler got alley hoops, the rest set up at the three point line for the kick out and Kidd made the extra pass...
So whether it's triangle or what, Fisher has to develop that offensive strategy then work Melo in spots...Worked like magic for Woodson...They tried it on a couple of sets last night and didn't look fluid...They need work...There is no offensive rhythm or anything where they come down court and say this is what we are going to do outside of Melo...They have to get there if they want to be a .500 team...This team is MOSTLY comprised of young and unproven players so them looking a bit unsure and lost at times isn't coaching. It's what you get with a bunch of young players and when what should be your top players in Melo and Afflalo not fully healthy and carrying the action as intended.
Not to mention it's only 5 games against tough defensive playoff teams that make most teams look bad offensively!!! F'n PERSPECTIVE...
Thus the reason most coaches eases rookies into the line up..Enough f'n perspective for u?..
Why are u so rude dude?My so called rudeness is due to your post. Talking about Woodson having offensive plans? Can't think of many worse examples of offensive creativity. The only thing worth talking about he stole from MDA.
On top of that you're talking about the rest of the guys having an offensive game plan outside of Melo? The game plan is the Triangle System which is time tested! They've already been given a game plan but it's gonna take time to perfect their execution as a unit and as individuals. They're being taught to think the game at a level far beyond anything Woodson tried to teach. When the team really needs Woody he had NOTHING! Vogel laughed at him!
They have a fully formed game plan but top defensive teams have been able to take our players out of what they want to do. They look to disrupt the timing of our motion and play the passing lanes. This will take more time for our players to react to what the D is doing and run counters to the D they face. It's a process. Our kids aren't Jedi yet. They have much to learn.
MDA was too dumb to understand he needed to turn Melo loose..What did Woodson do with the exact same players?.Results!!Yeah Melo was being held back by MDA! SMDH! I can't converse with you if you're not going to stick to reality. Melo's struggles were self created. Melo has NEVER looked as impressive as he has running MDA's offense with the Olympic teams. He wasn't playing Melo ball then which only proves Melo can in FACT play a different way but he chooses not to. Literally everyone knows that Melo is best when he goes quick and in the flow of the offense rather than hold the ball and go ISO MELO.
Look I'm not gonna argue with you about offensive tactics since I actually have MDA's plays and Tex Winters book as well. I spend time learning basketball X's and O's. If I was just talking out of my ass about this stuff it would be one thing but I'm not.
It's gonna take time for our players to really master the offense and execute at high speed which is necessary to counter what defenses want to do. It has to become second nature and instinctive. The decision making and team chemistry will take time. This is a process. Let's leave Woody in the trash heap of BBall history. He's not one of the great minds in BBall history.
It's not ISO Melo, it's common sense..Look at Phil's ring count with Kobe and MJ taking 27/28 shots per in the playoffs..Wake up for once..Just this once...Look at results...Triangle hell, Kobe, MJ, Shaq and Gasol was posting guys up and taking them...U can read all the books you want..Phil will tell you 25 shots a game isn't basketball..Mike was taking 28 per..I don't see him giving back any rings because it wasn't basketball..
OK keep talking the nonsense you're spouting from a complete oversimplification of how those teams won. I'm done with you because you're speaking from ignorance of the subject rather than a full understanding of how great offensive BBall works. Go dig up Knicks title team tapes or just re-watch the Spurs and how they win for a clinic in real BBall. This is what Fish n Phil are trying to teach these players but it's rough in the beginning.
Yes ISO looks are built into the Triangle. That's not saying anything special! That's not what makes it work tho. You have to have proper execution of all the other aspects of the offense too. If it's just the ISO that won't be enough to win 2 or 3 Titles in a row. You always need great individual talent in order to win but that's not the complete picture. I suggest you at least have some respect for the fact that I'm read up on this subject and not just talking out of my ass. You don't have to agree with my take but it's based on knowledge of the subject.