Knicks · What I been feeling pretty much since we drafted Kristaps Porzingis (page 1)
Stephen A is an entertaining phucktard. 
ChuckBuck wrote:10000% agree with Chad Ford. Get Melo to waive no trade clause, and go all in on the rebuild. Get some role players and picks to complement the Latvian Legend. Build around Porzingis, damit!Stephen A is an entertaining phucktard.
Oh dandy, another trade Melo thread. How inspiring and original.
Getting him to waive the no trade is the rub of course. But yeah, that's not important.
bigbasketballs wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:10000% agree with Chad Ford. Get Melo to waive no trade clause, and go all in on the rebuild. Get some role players and picks to complement the Latvian Legend. Build around Porzingis, damit!Stephen A is an entertaining phucktard.
Oh dandy, another trade Melo thread. How inspiring and original.
Getting him to waive the no trade is the rub of course. But yeah, that's not important.
So I take it you're against Porzingis being the face of the franchise, and want to continue lingering in the past(of disappointments).
Got it.
ChuckBuck wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:10000% agree with Chad Ford. Get Melo to waive no trade clause, and go all in on the rebuild. Get some role players and picks to complement the Latvian Legend. Build around Porzingis, damit!Stephen A is an entertaining phucktard.
Oh dandy, another trade Melo thread. How inspiring and original.
Getting him to waive the no trade is the rub of course. But yeah, that's not important.
So I take it you're against Porzingis being the face of the franchise, and want to continue lingering in the past(of disappointments).
Got it.
You need a new schtick. You're wearing the "got it" thing thin. Got it?
And what you got is I don't need Porzingis to be the face of the franchise his rookie year. Got that?
And even if I did, like yourself, I wouldn't harp on it over and over and over again as if it has any effect on anything.
Get it?
bigbasketballs wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:10000% agree with Chad Ford. Get Melo to waive no trade clause, and go all in on the rebuild. Get some role players and picks to complement the Latvian Legend. Build around Porzingis, damit!Stephen A is an entertaining phucktard.
Oh dandy, another trade Melo thread. How inspiring and original.
Getting him to waive the no trade is the rub of course. But yeah, that's not important.
So I take it you're against Porzingis being the face of the franchise, and want to continue lingering in the past(of disappointments).
Got it.
You need a new schtick. You're wearing the "got it" thing thin. Got it?
And what you got is I don't need Porzingis to be the face of the franchise his rookie year. Got that?
And even if I did, like yourself, I wouldn't harp on it over and over and over again as if it has any effect on anything.
Get it?
Nobody's saying Porzingis is the face of the franchise in year 1.
He will be the face of the Knicks by year 3 or 4, but you have complement him by adding pieces. Melo isn't and shouldn't be a part of that.
ChuckBuck wrote:10000% agree with Chad Ford. Get Melo to waive no trade clause, and go all in on the rebuild. Get some role players and picks to complement the Latvian Legend. Build around Porzingis, damit!Stephen A is an entertaining phucktard.
This is where both you and Stephen A are wrong, you do not need to pick one or the other. There is no definitive "either build around Melo, or build around KP" that has to be done right away. Obviously KP is the future of the team, no doubt about it, but both you and ESPN, and Stephen A think in extremes. It doesn't have to be far left or far right. You build around KP, while keeping Melo as part of the equation to remain as competitive as possible while KP develops at a steady rate. You do not throw KP even more in the fire, starting him does enough, and fortunately he is mentally tough enough to handle his current role. But to increase that role asap is a huge mistake. We DO NOT have a draft pick this offseason, we WILL NOT yield a high return for Melo at this stage, so sit back and allow KP to develop while Melo scores his 20+ ppg, wins us some games, because again, there is no advantage to losing, it does not help us this offseason. When KP is ready for prime time, the Knicks will pass the torch to him and Melo will either be phased out and traded to a contender, or continue in a supporting role as a secondary scorer. It's really that simple. But you insisting this team cannot be Porzingis' team WHEN he is ready for that because Melo is here is very foolish on your part. It is clear you will never quite understand this, but there is zero advantage to trading Melo as long as he continues to buy in and play his part. I'm not sure which sounds more ridiculous, you saying we have to trade Melo in order to build around KP, or Stephen A saying we should not build around KP all together because Melo is our best player. Both are crazy to me.
ChuckBuck wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:10000% agree with Chad Ford. Get Melo to waive no trade clause, and go all in on the rebuild. Get some role players and picks to complement the Latvian Legend. Build around Porzingis, damit!Stephen A is an entertaining phucktard.
Oh dandy, another trade Melo thread. How inspiring and original.
Getting him to waive the no trade is the rub of course. But yeah, that's not important.
So I take it you're against Porzingis being the face of the franchise, and want to continue lingering in the past(of disappointments).
Got it.
You need a new schtick. You're wearing the "got it" thing thin. Got it?
And what you got is I don't need Porzingis to be the face of the franchise his rookie year. Got that?
And even if I did, like yourself, I wouldn't harp on it over and over and over again as if it has any effect on anything.
Get it?
Nobody's saying Porzingis is the face of the franchise in year 1.
He will be the face of the Knicks by year 3 or 4, but you have complement him by adding pieces. Melo isn't and shouldn't be a part of that.
I've been here like a week and I'm well aware of your position on Melo and you never add anything new to the discourse other than to regard his non-trade clause as a minor inconvenience.
It seems as this stage this is essentially trolling.
Got it.
Knixkik wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:10000% agree with Chad Ford. Get Melo to waive no trade clause, and go all in on the rebuild. Get some role players and picks to complement the Latvian Legend. Build around Porzingis, damit!Stephen A is an entertaining phucktard.
This is where both you and Stephen A are wrong, you do not need to pick one or the other. There is no definitive "either build around Melo, or build around KP" that has to be done right away. Obviously KP is the future of the team, no doubt about it, but both you and ESPN, and Stephen A think in extremes. It doesn't have to be far left or far right. You build around KP, while keeping Melo as part of the equation to remain as competitive as possible while KP develops at a steady rate. You do not throw KP even more in the fire, starting him does enough, and fortunately he is mentally tough enough to handle his current role. But to increase that role asap is a huge mistake. We DO NOT have a draft pick this offseason, we WILL NOT yield a high return for Melo at this stage, so sit back and allow KP to develop while Melo scores his 20+ ppg, wins us some games, because again, there is no advantage to losing, it does not help us this offseason. When KP is ready for prime time, the Knicks will pass the torch to him and Melo will either be phased out and traded to a contender, or continue in a supporting role as a secondary scorer. It's really that simple. But you insisting this team cannot be Porzingis' team WHEN he is ready for that because Melo is here is very foolish on your part. It is clear you will never quite understand this, but there is zero advantage to trading Melo as long as he continues to buy in and play his part.
You trade Melo sooner rather than later while he still retains some value. You will not get better value down the road, especially draft picks. He won't have an expiring contract until 2018-2019 where he will most definitely exercise his player option at $28 million.
If you or others can't see the value in picks or how many players you can fill with $28 million to build around a steadily growing Porzingis, then I don't know what to tell you.
It has to be an absolute. There is no half-stepping or half measures when building for a Championship. There is no sacrificing of game or all universe defense with Melo like an aging Paul Pierce or Tim Duncan.
You trade him the instant someone dials 9 to dial out on the landline....
Knixkik wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:10000% agree with Chad Ford. Get Melo to waive no trade clause, and go all in on the rebuild. Get some role players and picks to complement the Latvian Legend. Build around Porzingis, damit!Stephen A is an entertaining phucktard.
This is where both you and Stephen A are wrong, you do not need to pick one or the other. There is no definitive "either build around Melo, or build around KP" that has to be done right away. Obviously KP is the future of the team, no doubt about it, but both you and ESPN, and Stephen A think in extremes. It doesn't have to be far left or far right. You build around KP, while keeping Melo as part of the equation to remain as competitive as possible while KP develops at a steady rate. You do not throw KP even more in the fire, starting him does enough, and fortunately he is mentally tough enough to handle his current role. But to increase that role asap is a huge mistake. We DO NOT have a draft pick this offseason, we WILL NOT yield a high return for Melo at this stage, so sit back and allow KP to develop while Melo scores his 20+ ppg, wins us some games, because again, there is no advantage to losing, it does not help us this offseason. When KP is ready for prime time, the Knicks will pass the torch to him and Melo will either be phased out and traded to a contender, or continue in a supporting role as a secondary scorer. It's really that simple. But you insisting this team cannot be Porzingis' team WHEN he is ready for that because Melo is here is very foolish on your part. It is clear you will never quite understand this, but there is zero advantage to trading Melo as long as he continues to buy in and play his part. I'm not sure which sounds more ridiculous, you saying we have to trade Melo in order to build around KP, or Stephen A saying we should not build around KP all together because Melo is our best player. Both are crazy to me.
Hear, hear.
ChuckBuck wrote:your opinion and considering your view point on the topic a fart in the wind is worth more.bigbasketballs wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:10000% agree with Chad Ford. Get Melo to waive no trade clause, and go all in on the rebuild. Get some role players and picks to complement the Latvian Legend. Build around Porzingis, damit!Stephen A is an entertaining phucktard.
Oh dandy, another trade Melo thread. How inspiring and original.
Getting him to waive the no trade is the rub of course. But yeah, that's not important.
So I take it you're against Porzingis being the face of the franchise, and want to continue lingering in the past(of disappointments).
Got it.
You need a new schtick. You're wearing the "got it" thing thin. Got it?
And what you got is I don't need Porzingis to be the face of the franchise his rookie year. Got that?
And even if I did, like yourself, I wouldn't harp on it over and over and over again as if it has any effect on anything.
Get it?
Nobody's saying Porzingis is the face of the franchise in year 1.
He will be the face of the Knicks by year 3 or 4, but you have complement him by adding pieces. Melo isn't and shouldn't be a part of that.
When KP is a franchise player or ready to be the face of the franchise come back to us then. Right now KP is a great prospect learning the league and he's proving he's far more ready to contribute than his detractors predicted. Thats it. Its nice and fun to watch. This is the early phases.
Its like Chuck's anit-Melo thought of the day... I know! KP should be the franchise! Melo-purge! Start a thread!
ChuckBuck wrote:Knixkik wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:10000% agree with Chad Ford. Get Melo to waive no trade clause, and go all in on the rebuild. Get some role players and picks to complement the Latvian Legend. Build around Porzingis, damit!Stephen A is an entertaining phucktard.
This is where both you and Stephen A are wrong, you do not need to pick one or the other. There is no definitive "either build around Melo, or build around KP" that has to be done right away. Obviously KP is the future of the team, no doubt about it, but both you and ESPN, and Stephen A think in extremes. It doesn't have to be far left or far right. You build around KP, while keeping Melo as part of the equation to remain as competitive as possible while KP develops at a steady rate. You do not throw KP even more in the fire, starting him does enough, and fortunately he is mentally tough enough to handle his current role. But to increase that role asap is a huge mistake. We DO NOT have a draft pick this offseason, we WILL NOT yield a high return for Melo at this stage, so sit back and allow KP to develop while Melo scores his 20+ ppg, wins us some games, because again, there is no advantage to losing, it does not help us this offseason. When KP is ready for prime time, the Knicks will pass the torch to him and Melo will either be phased out and traded to a contender, or continue in a supporting role as a secondary scorer. It's really that simple. But you insisting this team cannot be Porzingis' team WHEN he is ready for that because Melo is here is very foolish on your part. It is clear you will never quite understand this, but there is zero advantage to trading Melo as long as he continues to buy in and play his part.You trade Melo sooner rather than later while he still retains some value. You will not get better value down the road, especially draft picks. If you or others can't see the value in picks
Quantify the value of "picks"? A "pick" could be anywhere from 1 to 60, with represents many tiers of wildly varying values.
You trade him the instant someone dials 9 to dial out on the landline....
What part of "no-trade clause" do you struggle with?
DrAlphaeus wrote:Knixkik wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:10000% agree with Chad Ford. Get Melo to waive no trade clause, and go all in on the rebuild. Get some role players and picks to complement the Latvian Legend. Build around Porzingis, damit!Stephen A is an entertaining phucktard.
This is where both you and Stephen A are wrong, you do not need to pick one or the other. There is no definitive "either build around Melo, or build around KP" that has to be done right away. Obviously KP is the future of the team, no doubt about it, but both you and ESPN, and Stephen A think in extremes. It doesn't have to be far left or far right. You build around KP, while keeping Melo as part of the equation to remain as competitive as possible while KP develops at a steady rate. You do not throw KP even more in the fire, starting him does enough, and fortunately he is mentally tough enough to handle his current role. But to increase that role asap is a huge mistake. We DO NOT have a draft pick this offseason, we WILL NOT yield a high return for Melo at this stage, so sit back and allow KP to develop while Melo scores his 20+ ppg, wins us some games, because again, there is no advantage to losing, it does not help us this offseason. When KP is ready for prime time, the Knicks will pass the torch to him and Melo will either be phased out and traded to a contender, or continue in a supporting role as a secondary scorer. It's really that simple. But you insisting this team cannot be Porzingis' team WHEN he is ready for that because Melo is here is very foolish on your part. It is clear you will never quite understand this, but there is zero advantage to trading Melo as long as he continues to buy in and play his part. I'm not sure which sounds more ridiculous, you saying we have to trade Melo in order to build around KP, or Stephen A saying we should not build around KP all together because Melo is our best player. Both are crazy to me.Hear, hear.
Bad take. Build for now and the future. 35 year old Melo will essentially be equal to 2 or 3 solid role players in 2018-2019 even with the exploding cap:
Get value for him while you can now. No one will give up any decent value in a trade for a 35 year old "scorer" even as an expiring contract in 2018-2019.
bigbasketballs wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:Knixkik wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:10000% agree with Chad Ford. Get Melo to waive no trade clause, and go all in on the rebuild. Get some role players and picks to complement the Latvian Legend. Build around Porzingis, damit!Stephen A is an entertaining phucktard.
This is where both you and Stephen A are wrong, you do not need to pick one or the other. There is no definitive "either build around Melo, or build around KP" that has to be done right away. Obviously KP is the future of the team, no doubt about it, but both you and ESPN, and Stephen A think in extremes. It doesn't have to be far left or far right. You build around KP, while keeping Melo as part of the equation to remain as competitive as possible while KP develops at a steady rate. You do not throw KP even more in the fire, starting him does enough, and fortunately he is mentally tough enough to handle his current role. But to increase that role asap is a huge mistake. We DO NOT have a draft pick this offseason, we WILL NOT yield a high return for Melo at this stage, so sit back and allow KP to develop while Melo scores his 20+ ppg, wins us some games, because again, there is no advantage to losing, it does not help us this offseason. When KP is ready for prime time, the Knicks will pass the torch to him and Melo will either be phased out and traded to a contender, or continue in a supporting role as a secondary scorer. It's really that simple. But you insisting this team cannot be Porzingis' team WHEN he is ready for that because Melo is here is very foolish on your part. It is clear you will never quite understand this, but there is zero advantage to trading Melo as long as he continues to buy in and play his part.You trade Melo sooner rather than later while he still retains some value. You will not get better value down the road, especially draft picks. If you or others can't see the value in picks
Quantify the value of "picks"? A "pick" could be anywhere from 1 to 60, with represents many tiers of wildly varying values.
You trade him the instant someone dials 9 to dial out on the landline....What part of "no-trade clause" do you struggle with?
If they're even talking about trading Melo, then a "no-trade clause" can be waived. What part of that do you struggle with? Basically all Fisher has to do is bench Melo, Melo complains to Jax, Jax honors his request.
Understand?
ChuckBuck wrote:Knixkik wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:10000% agree with Chad Ford. Get Melo to waive no trade clause, and go all in on the rebuild. Get some role players and picks to complement the Latvian Legend. Build around Porzingis, damit!Stephen A is an entertaining phucktard.
This is where both you and Stephen A are wrong, you do not need to pick one or the other. There is no definitive "either build around Melo, or build around KP" that has to be done right away. Obviously KP is the future of the team, no doubt about it, but both you and ESPN, and Stephen A think in extremes. It doesn't have to be far left or far right. You build around KP, while keeping Melo as part of the equation to remain as competitive as possible while KP develops at a steady rate. You do not throw KP even more in the fire, starting him does enough, and fortunately he is mentally tough enough to handle his current role. But to increase that role asap is a huge mistake. We DO NOT have a draft pick this offseason, we WILL NOT yield a high return for Melo at this stage, so sit back and allow KP to develop while Melo scores his 20+ ppg, wins us some games, because again, there is no advantage to losing, it does not help us this offseason. When KP is ready for prime time, the Knicks will pass the torch to him and Melo will either be phased out and traded to a contender, or continue in a supporting role as a secondary scorer. It's really that simple. But you insisting this team cannot be Porzingis' team WHEN he is ready for that because Melo is here is very foolish on your part. It is clear you will never quite understand this, but there is zero advantage to trading Melo as long as he continues to buy in and play his part.You trade Melo sooner rather than later while he still retains some value. You will not get better value down the road, especially draft picks. He won't have an expiring contract until 2018-2019 where he will most definitely exercise his player option at $28 million.
If you or others can't see the value in picks or how many players you can fill with $28 million to build around a steadily growing Porzingis, then I don't know what to tell you.
It has to be an absolute. There is no half-stepping or half measures when building for a Championship. There is no sacrificing of game or all universe defense with Melo like an aging Paul Pierce or Tim Duncan.
You trade him the instant someone dials 9 to dial out on the landline....
Maybe this conversation makes more sense next year when we don't have a pick and we see how this team deals with this season, and not before Thanksgiving? Basketball gods forbid KP's growth stalls or he gets injured. Plus maybe it's a good thing Brand Melo helps to draw some of the heat away from the rook to give him more room to grow. If you post the Chad Ford piece, will it tell me anything of worth? Or is it just some guy getting paid to do what we do for free: talk shit?
Oh yea... Fisher is gonna pull a 
and banish his best player to the bench because it's not like Fish cares about his own W-L record...
But hey, if you've got a Trade Checker you want to post up, that's always fun to look at.
ChuckBuck wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:Knixkik wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:10000% agree with Chad Ford. Get Melo to waive no trade clause, and go all in on the rebuild. Get some role players and picks to complement the Latvian Legend. Build around Porzingis, damit!Stephen A is an entertaining phucktard.
This is where both you and Stephen A are wrong, you do not need to pick one or the other. There is no definitive "either build around Melo, or build around KP" that has to be done right away. Obviously KP is the future of the team, no doubt about it, but both you and ESPN, and Stephen A think in extremes. It doesn't have to be far left or far right. You build around KP, while keeping Melo as part of the equation to remain as competitive as possible while KP develops at a steady rate. You do not throw KP even more in the fire, starting him does enough, and fortunately he is mentally tough enough to handle his current role. But to increase that role asap is a huge mistake. We DO NOT have a draft pick this offseason, we WILL NOT yield a high return for Melo at this stage, so sit back and allow KP to develop while Melo scores his 20+ ppg, wins us some games, because again, there is no advantage to losing, it does not help us this offseason. When KP is ready for prime time, the Knicks will pass the torch to him and Melo will either be phased out and traded to a contender, or continue in a supporting role as a secondary scorer. It's really that simple. But you insisting this team cannot be Porzingis' team WHEN he is ready for that because Melo is here is very foolish on your part. It is clear you will never quite understand this, but there is zero advantage to trading Melo as long as he continues to buy in and play his part.You trade Melo sooner rather than later while he still retains some value. You will not get better value down the road, especially draft picks. If you or others can't see the value in picks
Quantify the value of "picks"? A "pick" could be anywhere from 1 to 60, with represents many tiers of wildly varying values.
You trade him the instant someone dials 9 to dial out on the landline....What part of "no-trade clause" do you struggle with?
If they're even talking about trading Melo, then a "no-trade clause" can be waived. What part of that do you struggle with? Basically all Fisher has to do is bench Melo, Melo complains to Jax, Jax honors his request.
Understand?
So your premise is to bench Melo, become the laughingstock of the league in the process and create a media circus surrounding the development of Porzingis, Galloway and Grant, compromise your bargaining position by creating a sense of extreme urgency, and bank on Melo giving the Knicks exactly what they want.
Got it.
No holes in that plan.
DrAlphaeus wrote:If I'm Melo and I'm seeing good things from my teammates in the city I want to be in, why do I want to go anywhere else?Oh yea... Fisher is gonna pull a
But hey, if you've got a Trade Checker you want to post up, that's always fun to look at.
Chicago would be the most desirable trade partner. He was pretty close if weren't for the moolah.
ChuckBuck wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:Knixkik wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:10000% agree with Chad Ford. Get Melo to waive no trade clause, and go all in on the rebuild. Get some role players and picks to complement the Latvian Legend. Build around Porzingis, damit!Stephen A is an entertaining phucktard.
This is where both you and Stephen A are wrong, you do not need to pick one or the other. There is no definitive "either build around Melo, or build around KP" that has to be done right away. Obviously KP is the future of the team, no doubt about it, but both you and ESPN, and Stephen A think in extremes. It doesn't have to be far left or far right. You build around KP, while keeping Melo as part of the equation to remain as competitive as possible while KP develops at a steady rate. You do not throw KP even more in the fire, starting him does enough, and fortunately he is mentally tough enough to handle his current role. But to increase that role asap is a huge mistake. We DO NOT have a draft pick this offseason, we WILL NOT yield a high return for Melo at this stage, so sit back and allow KP to develop while Melo scores his 20+ ppg, wins us some games, because again, there is no advantage to losing, it does not help us this offseason. When KP is ready for prime time, the Knicks will pass the torch to him and Melo will either be phased out and traded to a contender, or continue in a supporting role as a secondary scorer. It's really that simple. But you insisting this team cannot be Porzingis' team WHEN he is ready for that because Melo is here is very foolish on your part. It is clear you will never quite understand this, but there is zero advantage to trading Melo as long as he continues to buy in and play his part. I'm not sure which sounds more ridiculous, you saying we have to trade Melo in order to build around KP, or Stephen A saying we should not build around KP all together because Melo is our best player. Both are crazy to me.Hear, hear.
Bad take. Build for now and the future. 35 year old Melo will essentially be equal to 2 or 3 solid role players in 2018-2019 even with the exploding cap:
Get value for him while you can now. No one will give up any decent value in a trade for a 35 year old "scorer" even as an expiring contract in 2018-2019.
Well fortunately Phil is our Prez and sees it differently. Let's try to win some games while KP is a rookie, he will learn how to hit big shots, handle NY pressure, and carry a team on his back for games here and there from Melo. Trading Melo is going the Philly route, you see how that is working out. Sure they have some nice talent, but they will never have a clue how to win with that product they are putting on the floor. Going full-rebuild mode just to try to salvage a mid range draft pick and some role players for Melo is such a terrible idea. Let's actually try to win some games this season, try to make the playoffs, and teach our young future cornerstone what it's like to win, instead winning 15-20 games again. What a luxury that would be.