Rookie wrote:Grant is 1-16 from 3pt (.063%). 26-68 or .382 inside the arc which isn't terrible. Y'all need to chillax, other then him not being able to hit from downtown, he is doing fine.
Your numbers seem to be off. It seems like you cited his total FG%, FGs, and FGAs. He is shooting 25 of 52 or 48% from inside the arch.
yellowboy90 wrote:Rookie wrote:Grant is 1-16 from 3pt (.063%). 26-68 or .382 inside the arc which isn't terrible. Y'all need to chillax, other then him not being able to hit from downtown, he is doing fine.
Your numbers seem to be off. It seems like you cited his total FG%, FGs, and FGAs. He is shooting 25 of 52 or 48% from inside the arch.
yes, you are right. Thanks for the correction
GustavBahler wrote:knicks1248 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:NYKBocker wrote:knicks1248 wrote:His shooting struggles are the same as shumperts, they shoot different 50% of the time. You look at 3 of our best shooters, KP, Calderone, and melo. Their form is the same for every shot. Grants form is different, he doesn't always follow through, and he's off balance a lot. He needs to develop that mid range shot if he is to be successful in this (mid range shot)system, it's extremely important.It doesn't benefit him because he loses confidence, and how you can proceed to work on other parts of your game when the main part (shooting and finishing lay ups) is a struggle.
Its funny you say that. I was telling my boy that Grant keeps missing his perimeter shots because he has horrible footwork. He never squares his feet. I think a minor tweak on his footwork would go a long way.
Totally disagree. Grant can get to the rim quite easily, you can't do that with lousy footwork. Its confidence more than anything.
The foot work needs improvement, it's not about getting to the basket, because he's real good at that, it's about his foot work on jump shots, he's always moving, never really gathers himself. His confidence is a little shot(minutes and role).
I also believe he's still trying to figure out the system. In preseason and summer league, we played at a much faster pace, with Early, Galloway, and Dwill, he seem much more comfortable and used his instincs. Now were playing a little more methodical, and the bench rotation is a mess.
Sounded like NYBocker was saying that Grant had bad footwork altogether, my mistake if thats not what he meant. Still believe its confidence more than anything. I remember once Grant coughed up the ball and followed it with a three that looked perfect as far as his mechanics go. Sometimes Grant passes up shots he should have taken, would like to see him be more aggressive with his outside shooting. Maybe sometimes his form is off, but I believe its confidence more than anything.
I agree that Grant plays better in an uptempo style. I do believe he will become a better half court player in time. Smart kid.
Knicks have fazed from the uptempo approach ever since KO and Williams have taken a reduced role in the rotation. We've had a lot more turnovers, and our second unit contribution plummeted ever since. All because fisher's approach has changed from the uptempo style to a much more half court with Seraphin and Sasha instead of Williams and KO
Knicks1969 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:knicks1248 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:NYKBocker wrote:knicks1248 wrote:His shooting struggles are the same as shumperts, they shoot different 50% of the time. You look at 3 of our best shooters, KP, Calderone, and melo. Their form is the same for every shot. Grants form is different, he doesn't always follow through, and he's off balance a lot. He needs to develop that mid range shot if he is to be successful in this (mid range shot)system, it's extremely important.It doesn't benefit him because he loses confidence, and how you can proceed to work on other parts of your game when the main part (shooting and finishing lay ups) is a struggle.
Its funny you say that. I was telling my boy that Grant keeps missing his perimeter shots because he has horrible footwork. He never squares his feet. I think a minor tweak on his footwork would go a long way.
Totally disagree. Grant can get to the rim quite easily, you can't do that with lousy footwork. Its confidence more than anything.
The foot work needs improvement, it's not about getting to the basket, because he's real good at that, it's about his foot work on jump shots, he's always moving, never really gathers himself. His confidence is a little shot(minutes and role).
I also believe he's still trying to figure out the system. In preseason and summer league, we played at a much faster pace, with Early, Galloway, and Dwill, he seem much more comfortable and used his instincs. Now were playing a little more methodical, and the bench rotation is a mess.
Sounded like NYBocker was saying that Grant had bad footwork altogether, my mistake if thats not what he meant. Still believe its confidence more than anything. I remember once Grant coughed up the ball and followed it with a three that looked perfect as far as his mechanics go. Sometimes Grant passes up shots he should have taken, would like to see him be more aggressive with his outside shooting. Maybe sometimes his form is off, but I believe its confidence more than anything.
I agree that Grant plays better in an uptempo style. I do believe he will become a better half court player in time. Smart kid.
Knicks have fazed from the uptempo approach ever since KO and Williams have taken a reduced role in the rotation. We've had a lot more turnovers, and our second unit contribution plummeted ever since. All because fisher's approach has changed from the uptempo style to a much more half court with Seraphin and Sasha instead of Williams and KO
maybe because no other teams that we played had MCW missing a billion long jumpers that lead to fast breaks.
mreinman wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:knicks1248 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:NYKBocker wrote:knicks1248 wrote:His shooting struggles are the same as shumperts, they shoot different 50% of the time. You look at 3 of our best shooters, KP, Calderone, and melo. Their form is the same for every shot. Grants form is different, he doesn't always follow through, and he's off balance a lot. He needs to develop that mid range shot if he is to be successful in this (mid range shot)system, it's extremely important.It doesn't benefit him because he loses confidence, and how you can proceed to work on other parts of your game when the main part (shooting and finishing lay ups) is a struggle.
Its funny you say that. I was telling my boy that Grant keeps missing his perimeter shots because he has horrible footwork. He never squares his feet. I think a minor tweak on his footwork would go a long way.
Totally disagree. Grant can get to the rim quite easily, you can't do that with lousy footwork. Its confidence more than anything.
The foot work needs improvement, it's not about getting to the basket, because he's real good at that, it's about his foot work on jump shots, he's always moving, never really gathers himself. His confidence is a little shot(minutes and role).
I also believe he's still trying to figure out the system. In preseason and summer league, we played at a much faster pace, with Early, Galloway, and Dwill, he seem much more comfortable and used his instincs. Now were playing a little more methodical, and the bench rotation is a mess.
Sounded like NYBocker was saying that Grant had bad footwork altogether, my mistake if thats not what he meant. Still believe its confidence more than anything. I remember once Grant coughed up the ball and followed it with a three that looked perfect as far as his mechanics go. Sometimes Grant passes up shots he should have taken, would like to see him be more aggressive with his outside shooting. Maybe sometimes his form is off, but I believe its confidence more than anything.
I agree that Grant plays better in an uptempo style. I do believe he will become a better half court player in time. Smart kid.
Knicks have fazed from the uptempo approach ever since KO and Williams have taken a reduced role in the rotation. We've had a lot more turnovers, and our second unit contribution plummeted ever since. All because fisher's approach has changed from the uptempo style to a much more half court with Seraphin and Sasha instead of Williams and KO
maybe because no other teams that we played had MCW missing a billion long jumpers that lead to fast breaks.
That would be a bogus excuse. The uptempo style looked really good if you ask me
mreinman wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:mreinman wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:knicks1248 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:NYKBocker wrote:knicks1248 wrote:His shooting struggles are the same as shumperts, they shoot different 50% of the time. You look at 3 of our best shooters, KP, Calderone, and melo. Their form is the same for every shot. Grants form is different, he doesn't always follow through, and he's off balance a lot. He needs to develop that mid range shot if he is to be successful in this (mid range shot)system, it's extremely important.It doesn't benefit him because he loses confidence, and how you can proceed to work on other parts of your game when the main part (shooting and finishing lay ups) is a struggle.
Its funny you say that. I was telling my boy that Grant keeps missing his perimeter shots because he has horrible footwork. He never squares his feet. I think a minor tweak on his footwork would go a long way.
Totally disagree. Grant can get to the rim quite easily, you can't do that with lousy footwork. Its confidence more than anything.
The foot work needs improvement, it's not about getting to the basket, because he's real good at that, it's about his foot work on jump shots, he's always moving, never really gathers himself. His confidence is a little shot(minutes and role).
I also believe he's still trying to figure out the system. In preseason and summer league, we played at a much faster pace, with Early, Galloway, and Dwill, he seem much more comfortable and used his instincs. Now were playing a little more methodical, and the bench rotation is a mess.
Sounded like NYBocker was saying that Grant had bad footwork altogether, my mistake if thats not what he meant. Still believe its confidence more than anything. I remember once Grant coughed up the ball and followed it with a three that looked perfect as far as his mechanics go. Sometimes Grant passes up shots he should have taken, would like to see him be more aggressive with his outside shooting. Maybe sometimes his form is off, but I believe its confidence more than anything.
I agree that Grant plays better in an uptempo style. I do believe he will become a better half court player in time. Smart kid.
Knicks have fazed from the uptempo approach ever since KO and Williams have taken a reduced role in the rotation. We've had a lot more turnovers, and our second unit contribution plummeted ever since. All because fisher's approach has changed from the uptempo style to a much more half court with Seraphin and Sasha instead of Williams and KO
maybe because no other teams that we played had MCW missing a billion long jumpers that lead to fast breaks.
That would be a bogus excuse. The uptempo style looked really good if you ask me
in which game?
In all the first three games.....
Knicks1969 wrote:mreinman wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:mreinman wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:knicks1248 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:NYKBocker wrote:knicks1248 wrote:His shooting struggles are the same as shumperts, they shoot different 50% of the time. You look at 3 of our best shooters, KP, Calderone, and melo. Their form is the same for every shot. Grants form is different, he doesn't always follow through, and he's off balance a lot. He needs to develop that mid range shot if he is to be successful in this (mid range shot)system, it's extremely important.It doesn't benefit him because he loses confidence, and how you can proceed to work on other parts of your game when the main part (shooting and finishing lay ups) is a struggle.
Its funny you say that. I was telling my boy that Grant keeps missing his perimeter shots because he has horrible footwork. He never squares his feet. I think a minor tweak on his footwork would go a long way.
Totally disagree. Grant can get to the rim quite easily, you can't do that with lousy footwork. Its confidence more than anything.
The foot work needs improvement, it's not about getting to the basket, because he's real good at that, it's about his foot work on jump shots, he's always moving, never really gathers himself. His confidence is a little shot(minutes and role).
I also believe he's still trying to figure out the system. In preseason and summer league, we played at a much faster pace, with Early, Galloway, and Dwill, he seem much more comfortable and used his instincs. Now were playing a little more methodical, and the bench rotation is a mess.
Sounded like NYBocker was saying that Grant had bad footwork altogether, my mistake if thats not what he meant. Still believe its confidence more than anything. I remember once Grant coughed up the ball and followed it with a three that looked perfect as far as his mechanics go. Sometimes Grant passes up shots he should have taken, would like to see him be more aggressive with his outside shooting. Maybe sometimes his form is off, but I believe its confidence more than anything.
I agree that Grant plays better in an uptempo style. I do believe he will become a better half court player in time. Smart kid.
Knicks have fazed from the uptempo approach ever since KO and Williams have taken a reduced role in the rotation. We've had a lot more turnovers, and our second unit contribution plummeted ever since. All because fisher's approach has changed from the uptempo style to a much more half court with Seraphin and Sasha instead of Williams and KO
maybe because no other teams that we played had MCW missing a billion long jumpers that lead to fast breaks.
That would be a bogus excuse. The uptempo style looked really good if you ask me
in which game?
In all the first three games.....
DWil was 3-9 the second game and we got beat bad.
Dwil was 2-5 the third game - no greatness there.
So basically you liked him in game one?
I am not that In love with Williams and KO. I simply think that they have not been used properly
Knicks1969 wrote:I am not that In love with Williams and KO. I simply think that they have not been used properly
Williams apparently hasn't been used properly his whole career.
What bad luck he has.
Knicks1969 wrote:I am not that In love with Williams and KO. I simply think that they have not been used properly
you think so but you have no basis to assume that you are correct.
I THINK that they both have looked horrible. Not a fan of either.
mreinman wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:I am not that In love with Williams and KO. I simply think that they have not been used properly
you think so but you have no basis to assume that you are correct.
I THINK that they both have looked horrible. Not a fan of either.
We've not seen enough of the two to make a fair assessment. Give them five games with a constant 20 minutes of play, I will then see if they are not worthy.
Knicks1969 wrote:mreinman wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:I am not that In love with Williams and KO. I simply think that they have not been used properly
you think so but you have no basis to assume that you are correct.
I THINK that they both have looked horrible. Not a fan of either.
We've not seen enough of the two to make a fair assessment. Give them five games with a constant 20 of play, I will then see if they are not worthy.
I am sure if you send fisher a note he would be happy to fulfill your fantasy 
mreinman wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:mreinman wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:I am not that In love with Williams and KO. I simply think that they have not been used properly
you think so but you have no basis to assume that you are correct.
I THINK that they both have looked horrible. Not a fan of either.
We've not seen enough of the two to make a fair assessment. Give them five games with a constant 20 of play, I will then see if they are not worthy.
I am sure if you send fisher a note he would be happy to fulfill your fantasy
Ahahahahaha. That dude only wants to play the entire roster. If he could,Lou and Lance would be on the floor for 30 minutes:::))
Knicks1969 wrote:mreinman wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:I am not that In love with Williams and KO. I simply think that they have not been used properly
you think so but you have no basis to assume that you are correct.
I THINK that they both have looked horrible. Not a fan of either.
We've not seen enough of the two to make a fair assessment. Give them five games with a constant 20 minutes of play, I will then see if they are not worthy.
It's weird to me that you are not arguing for 20 per for Seraphin or Thomas. Why just DWill and KOQ?
martin wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:mreinman wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:I am not that In love with Williams and KO. I simply think that they have not been used properly
you think so but you have no basis to assume that you are correct.
I THINK that they both have looked horrible. Not a fan of either.
We've not seen enough of the two to make a fair assessment. Give them five games with a constant 20 minutes of play, I will then see if they are not worthy.
It's weird to me that you are not arguing for 20 per for Seraphin or Thomas. Why just DWill and KOQ?
Dude, you missed the point; I don't care if it is Seraphin and Lance, I just want 11 guys to be given 20 minutes or more for five games to see how the chemistry will blend.
Knicks1969 wrote:martin wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:mreinman wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:I am not that In love with Williams and KO. I simply think that they have not been used properly
you think so but you have no basis to assume that you are correct.
I THINK that they both have looked horrible. Not a fan of either.
We've not seen enough of the two to make a fair assessment. Give them five games with a constant 20 minutes of play, I will then see if they are not worthy.
It's weird to me that you are not arguing for 20 per for Seraphin or Thomas. Why just DWill and KOQ?
Dude, you missed the point; I don't care if it is Seraphin and Lance, I just want 11 guys to be given 20 minutes or more for five games to see how the chemistry will blend.
No NBA team does that or ever did.
So how did you come up with that benchmark?
bigbasketballs wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:martin wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:mreinman wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:I am not that In love with Williams and KO. I simply think that they have not been used properly
you think so but you have no basis to assume that you are correct.
I THINK that they both have looked horrible. Not a fan of either.
We've not seen enough of the two to make a fair assessment. Give them five games with a constant 20 minutes of play, I will then see if they are not worthy.
It's weird to me that you are not arguing for 20 per for Seraphin or Thomas. Why just DWill and KOQ?
Dude, you missed the point; I don't care if it is Seraphin and Lance, I just want 11 guys to be given 20 minutes or more for five games to see how the chemistry will blend.
No NBA team does that or ever did.
So how did you come up with that benchmark?
When you have a new roster, that is exactly what is needed to truly assess the talent level. Doc Rivers who happens to know a thing or two about coaching has been using a similar approach. Coincidentally, the Warriors also used a couple of games to assess the talent level last season before sanding Iguodala to the bench.
bigbasketballs wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:It'd be better if he could shoot now.
I disagree. Rome was not built in one day
Then maybe it'd be better if he was slow, couldn't handle the ball, was an inferior passer and threw up from nervousness when he stepped on the court.
We want him to stay motivated.
Perceptive... very perceptive.
Knicks1969 wrote:My reasoning behind that statement is as follows: too often when young dudes enter the league with a decent jump shot, they often neglect to develop other areas of their game. They become volume shooters and often very poor defenders/rebounders; THJ can be used as an example. I see a lot in Grant that tell me that he has the chance to become a stud in the near future. His struggles offensively will soon prove to be beneficial to his all around game.
If I were this kid, I would heavily study three players (Kidd,GP, and our own Clyde Frazer). They were all taller PGs who did not come in the league with a polish shooting touch, but their court vision; as well as, ability to rebound and defend made them superstars.
Are you old enough to remember Frazier? He shot 45% his first year in the league. Scored over 17 pts a game his second year and was averaging over 20 by his third year. Tommy Heinsohn once said something along the lines of Frazier was 10 times worse on defense than his rep and 10 times better on offense then his Rep. I think there is a lot of truth to that - Frazier was a much better offensive player than defensive player. His defense rep was based on getting clutch steals - but Barnett and then Monroe usually played defense against the teams best scoring guard.
Kidd game into the league a great passer and defender and worked hard and became better at all aspects of his game - but I don't think it was because he was a lousy shooter.
Grant may develop into a really good player - but I don't think not being able to shoot gives him any developmental advantage - it's just one more think he has to work on.
